Thread: Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda

^^ As I said, a safe migration route with processing centre in France operated jointly by both countries. Possibly similar arrangements in Belgium and Holland. It would stop the dinghy rackets and would force UK to meet its obligations rather than play the blame game.

Any "numbers"/guesses on how many reach, let's say UK, and stay there ...illegally ?

Originally Posted by Troy

It would stop the dinghy rackets and would force UK to meet its obligations rather than play the blame game

They could take UN quota refugees and turn back all "channel crossers".

Originally Posted by David48atTD

No, I don't think I've ever done a poll here before ... a learning experience.

Poll is open for 2 months

Is anonymous

I'd like to know who the 2 boneheads are that voted for.

Originally Posted by Troy

The Dublin Agreement no longer applies to the UK. It hasn't since Dec 2020 because, you know, Brexit.

Troy, thanks for that.

It does not appear as a black and white (no pun intended) issue.

Last updated: 14/03/22
The UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 but remained subject to the Dublin Regulation during the Transition Period (TP).
The UK issued guidance explaining how to process cases where a Dublin Regulation responsibility request was made by a Dublin State to the UK prior to the end of the TP at 23h 00 on 31 December 2020 but either no decision had been made in relation to that request or a decision had been made but the transfer had not taken place before the end of the TP.

Dublin - Asylum Information Database | European Council on Refugees and Exiles

Originally Posted by malmomike77

^ all good Troy and like so many others who are outraged by this. but what is your solution to the ever increasing numbers being bred like locusts in the Africa & ME - you can moan all you like but someone has to pay for and meet the needs of these people and generally it ain't the people who are moaning about the Govts approach to this. The problem is the root cause and the solution ain't housing all the disaffected in countries thousands of miles from their source.

Your beloved EU is allowing the traffickers to operate with impunity and quite frankly is as ineffectual in dealing with them as they are in dealing with any internal issues. Being uncharitable i would even say they are encouraging them to punish the UK, but off course like Micron and his hate for the UK that's unthinkable.

So i ask again Troy what are you suggesting as the solution, or are you another David Lammy.

You are buying too much into the Malthusian scare story about Africa. Yes their birth rate is higher than anywhere else. But that doesn't mean that kids are starving. Some do starve but that's the result of war and politics locally. They can subsistance farm to support themselves and have been for centuries.

Their birth rate is not a political or moral concern of ours in any way

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Fuck me, the UK are only about 50 more Immigrants away from recognising Sharia Law

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

It's only a matter of time before they are outnumbered and out voted by these brainwashed fucking lunatics.

I think you're safe . . .



As it is, you are a Christian foreigner living in Thailand. Odd that.

I’m not a Christian anything, PH, but thanks for the accusation.

He doesn't get social welfare payments from Thailand either. People might be a bit more open minded about illegal entrants if they paid for themselves, or were funded within their own community- not draining the taxpayers dollar.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Troy, thanks for that.

It does not appear as a black and white (no pun intended) issue.



Dublin - Asylum Information Database | European Council on Refugees and Exiles

A grey area during the transition period maybe, but that finished on Dec 21.
The UK no longer has access to the EU DB to find out the migrant's first port of entry. It's even more reason to have an agreement with France for joint processing.

Has the UK published figures on how many migrants are refused entry and how many have been removed from the cou try and an indication of where they were sent?

Originally Posted by sabang

He doesn't get social welfare payments from Thailand either. People might be a bit more open minded about illegal entrants if they paid for themselves, or were funded within their own community- not draining the taxpayers dollar.

The first point you allude to is irrelevant to the second. That wasn't the basis of the point Dirk was making, but you knew that - I'll help you. I replied to:

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Fuck me, the UK are only about 50 more Immigrants away from recognising Sharia Law. What then? It's only a matter of time before they are outnumbered and out voted by these brainwashed fucking lunatics.

So, sabang, you do understand what asylum seekers and refugees are, don't you?

Ok, show me with government facts and figures how they are '"draining the taxpayers dollar".

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

I’m not a Christian anything, PH, but thanks for the accusation.

You're as Christian as many of them are Muslim - that was my point. The numbers are very small.

"DRAINING"

All caps might be better

Originally Posted by Backspin

You are buying too much into the Malthusian scare story about Africa. Yes their birth rate is higher than anywhere else. But that doesn't mean that kids are starving. Some do starve but that's the result of war and politics locally. They can subsistance farm to support themselves and have been for centuries.

Their birth rate is not a political or moral concern of ours in any way

Who mentioned starving, I am talking about economic migrants who of course will gain the asylum system. As for the Dublin agreement, bollix, the EU has failed in that respect before 2020.

Did they let Patel back in the country?

Patel's sassy

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Correct.

I have always stayed here legally without any dodgy shit like education visas or false marriages.

I have always supported myself financially, and now I support Thais also.

I have never had any kind of government hand outs or benefits in times of unemployment, no social security, no housing allowance or child support. No free health care or even a bud pass.

I have always paid taxes where applicable.

I have created jobs for Thais.

I have trained Thais and continue to do so.

I create reasonable amounts of charity donations for underprivileged local children year in year out.

I have spent a lot of fucking money here in the last 22 years.

I have never asked for or expected citizenship.

I have never been in trouble with the law.

Now if only we could get that type of migrant to Australia.
Many boat refugees/ilegal migrants to Australia throw their papers overboard when about to be intercepted and picked up by the R.A.N. The reason being is that many would fly to Indonesia and Malaysia visa free on a passport from Islamic countries. They they go to australia via smugglers on boats. They do this as many of them have a narrative that is inconsistent with their papers. Other refugees have been found going back for holidays etc to the country they were supposedly fleeing.
There will always be friction when govts allow people from very different cultural backgrounds into the country against the wishes of much of the local population.
The strict controls in Australia are pretty well the same policy for both major parties. The labor party's policy is similar to the incumbent government. They know any loosening up of refugee policy is electoral suicide in Australia.
The UN refugee charter is in need of desperate reform like the rest of the U.N.

Iranian refugees given Australian visas caught going home | Daily Mail Online

The Sri Lankan Tamil refos are a number too- I mean their Homeland of Tamil Nadu is 14km from Sri Lanka across the Polk Strait. But somehow, I guess their compass goes all haywire and they end up travelling all the way down the Indonesian archipelago, and straight on to illegal smuggling boats in Timor.... Coincidentally they disembark in Australia, and complain their human rights are being violated.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Now if only we could get that type of migrant to Australia.

If only Australia would allow me to Migrate back again to work and pay taxes, I would be there already.

It's extremely difficult when you go through the proper channels, especially right now.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Well as predicted, this whole thing is being shown up as a complete sham, and is backfiring badly on Stumpi Patel.

You know you're on a loser when even the wicked witch May has concerns over its "legality, practicality and efficacy".

As for innovation, it is not much different to the Israel 2013/4 policy with regards Eritreans and Sudanese asylum seekers being sent to Rwanda. That ended up being cancelled as it was a total fuck-up with most escaping and becoming victims of the migration scam routes into Europe. That is to say, rather than stop more people crossing the channel and seeking asylum it will mean more people crossing and trying to remain undetected in the UK. That won't be too difficult since the UK still doesn't issue ID cards for some very strange reason...like the very people that don't like all these migrants also don't want ID cards. Still, dumb is what dumb does.

Moving under Threats: The Treacherous Journeys of Refugees who ‘Voluntary’ Departed from Israel to Rwanda and Uganda and Reached Europe | Oxford Law Faculty

Originally Posted by sabang

Coincidentally they disembark in Australia, and complain their human rights are being violated.

Very interesting, I'm sure, but totally irrelevant to the topic.


As Helge suggested earlier, the biggest problem is not the intake of asylum seekers and refugees but how to remove those that fail to meet either criteria. How are they removed from the country and to where are they sent? This is the problem that needs to be tackled by all countries.

Meanwhile, the UK intake of war refugees is still woefully short of expectations.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Priti Vacant - yet another Tory liar.

and Blair and Labour never lied about anything did they? I am not even a Tory. Quite beneath me to pick 1 of 2 sides, then blindly and fiercely defend them. I would like to have Priti beneath me though meowwwwww