Thread: What does Socialist mean to you?

Originally Posted by Switch

The government today is chosen by the electorate, based on whatever issue is the flavour of the day.
Law & Order
Education
The NHS
Foreign Policy
Defence
Employment
or any combination of the above.

Wrong. Statistically governments only change when the economy worsens. Status Quo prevails.

Originally Posted by Cujo

My question was not what is the legal/technical/dictionary definition of a socialist state, my question was, what IN YOUR MIND (opinion) constitutes socialism or a socialist state..
We know there are many opinions on this. What's yours? Can you name a socialist country and tell us what it is about that country that would cause you to define it as socialist....?
(I'm guessing not)

You don’t get to have an opinion on a definition, ffs. You could prefer the Oxford dictionary definition or the Merrimack-Webster version, or you could chose a more authoritative force such as a textbook or peer reviewed sociology paper. But what you cannot do is just make it up your fucking self! Otherwise you’re resorting to the idiocy of Trump and Backspin.

just because a country has some sort of social welfare does not make it socialist.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

just because a country has some sort of social welfare does not make it socialist.

Is that an opinion or a definition?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

They should pay out bonuses when things go well. Mercedes I think it was 4000 euro for every employee last year.

Originally Posted by helge

Communist !!!!!

Yes, absolutely! The dictator and the communist party decide how much bonuses are left over after the expenses are paid for.

Transparency is the key word

You got to be joking Helge Schneider

Originally Posted by helge

Gerhard Schrøder did that to your country.
Haven't you got six feet of decent rope for that [at][at][at][at] ?

Can we hang him at Krasnaya Ploshchad?

Originally Posted by sabang

We hongkies considered Singapore to be like an intrusive state socialism.

Who is 'we'? And I've never met a hongkie who thought of Singapore as 'state socialism' - what bullshit.

Originally Posted by sabang

Moving from one Chinese place because it is Chinese owned place to another Chinese place.

Yet again . . . It isn't Chinese, it's multi-cultural and originally ethnic Malay/Indon.

They are leaving a China-owned city for the safest and most progressive and open country in Asia.


Singapore socialist? Jaysus . . .

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Wrong. Statistically governments only change when the economy worsens. Status Quo prevails.

No it isn’t. It’s the state of play anywhere in the civilised world. Parties get to lead for a fixed term irrespective of the economy or global events. If a sitting government is challenged during the fixed term it may fall or prevail. In either event, the electorate ultimately decides who wins.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

That is as good an answer as any, and cuts to the chase.
If you live in a society , there needs to be a degree of socialism by definition . The argument is how much? There is no country in the world or has ever been ,that the above has not been true , except in dysfunctional oligarchic countries. where the needs of the many have been usurped by the needs of the few,. In such cases the system is maintained by either brute coercion as in the case of Russia, or by creating a false narrative and via brainwashing it is sold to the public so that they might work against their own best interest and do the bidding of their masters (the one percent) , such as in the US and elsewhere.

Im sure you have a point somewhere in that jumble. Sadly, as English is not your first language, you are poorly equipped to express whatever it is you are trying to say.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Very sad indeed. I can not think of a worst faith than not having English as your first language. Other t ofcourse than being an idiot like you,

Is English really your first language?

Regardless, this is what Switch does.

Civil for one post, then a total biatch.

Just make sure you get your retaliation in first.

The USA, at least it's current manifestation, is proudly and by self definition "non-Socialist"- indeed anti-Socialist. Who then considers it the ideal society, at least compared to the others out there today?

ffs... it's = it is

"its current manifestation" just doesn't look right syb.

It is, however, right... slobbong.

Originally Posted by sabang

"its current manifestation" just doesn't look right syb.

That's backspitesque.

It's pretty hard to distinguish between either of your "contributions" to the forum these days though, isn't it?

No einstein, they all are filled with letters of the English alphabet formed into words, liberally interspersed with punctuation marks. Once such word, mentioned in recent despatches, is Socialism. What does it mean to you? English answers preferred.

Originally Posted by sabang

they all are filled with letters of the English alphabet formed into words,.

Debatable given your recent posts on this thread.

He seems to be losing his mind, day by day.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Very sad indeed. I can not think of a worst faith than not having English as your first language. Other t ofcourse than being an idiot like you,

Well put.

Originally Posted by cyrille

ffs... it's = it is

You aren't grading papers now. You tedious wanker.

Originally Posted by sabang

The USA, at least it's current manifestation, is proudly and by self definition "non-Socialist"- indeed anti-Socialist. Who then considers it the ideal society, at least compared to the others out there today?

McCarthy walt

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Very sad indeed. I can not think of a worst faith than not having English as your first language. Other t ofcourse than being an idiot like you,

Not impervious to criticism then?

All I know is American capitalism is not a system I would want to live in. This may be unfair but to me it is an extreme form of capitalism that hoodwinks the aspirational into believing they all can live "like the folks on the hill" when in reality it is almost impossible if they are the folks at the bottom of the hill.
From my experience a combination of the two may be best, but I dont know what the ideal mix of capitalism and socialism is.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Is English really your first language?

Regardless, this is what Switch does.

Civil for one post, then a total biatch.

Just make sure you get your retaliation in first.

So I did not catch the soel check correct of Fate to faith
Big whoop-de-doo
personally I find it encouraging and in support of my position when the only fault found in a post is my spelling.

IMO the "D" in TD stands for disfactional , and that's not so much the fault of the members as it is of the moderating IMO, allowing this forum to deteriorate in "retaliations " .
That's not a game I want to play, and by the joining and disappearing of members , and low membership numbers, I suspect many others want to play.

Eldridge Cleaver said "You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem."

But thank you for your kind words, I appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Switch

Not impervious to criticism then?

Criticize my position not me.
Criticizing of the spelling and or the structure of a post and ad hominem attacks , rather than criticizing the premise is the lowest form of debating discourse and an admission of defeat in the debate.