Thread: Australian Federal Election 2022

Originally Posted by sabang

GIYF hatter

You want him to Google what campaign finance laws YOU would change?

Originally Posted by sabang

GIYF hatter. I'm not your kindy teacher.

No, but if you make a fucking claim it's incumbent on you to provide evidence.

Originally Posted by sabang

GIYF hatter. I'm not your kindy teacher.

Originally Posted by pickel

You want him to Google what campaign finance laws YOU would change?

Originally Posted by DrWilly

No, but if you make a fucking claim it's incumbent on you to provide evidence.

Yea, says alot about sabang . . . replicates this train of 'debate' in every thread now. Boastful, 'edgy' comments . . . and then nothing, does a Skidmark and goes on to the next thing.

At least Backspit has something going for him, this sense of being a manchild who needs help. sabang, however, just comes across as a crass cigars and cognac wannabe.

Got to be the most boring build up to an election ever.

Whoever wins will be handed a poison chalice, it’s either serious inflation or a decent recession, take your pick but it’s got to be one or the other.

M
still waking for my postal vote!

Greens are punching hard at the corporations - now the mining industry , medical insurance industry , oil/gas industry , land and house development industry and billionaires will be doing all in their power top make sure the greens are not holding the balance of power

I hope they are - it would be a good shake up for the average australian

But the Greens are preparing their list of key demands for Labor in the event that it falls short of the 76 seats it needs to form majority government, with the party confident of winning at least one seat in Queensland to give it two lower house MPs.

The party’s seven key demands are no new coal and gas; dental and mental health into Medicare; building 1m affordable homes and better renters’ rights; free childcare; wiping student debt; lifting income support; and progress on all elements of the Uluru statement from the heart.

The cost of the policy demands is about $173bn over four years but the Greens are also advocating $182bn in new revenue and savings measures to cover the cost, including through a “super profits” tax, a billionaires tax, a crackdown on corporate tax avoidance and ending fossil fuel subsidies.

^I saw somewhere that they were proposing zero carbons by 2030. Anything after that is simply white-noise, they haven't got a clue and will be relying on equal dumb voters to get them into power.

Originally Posted by Headworx

I saw somewhere that they were proposing zero carbons by 2030.

Another case of mad vows disease.

Spag Bol Nese is hopeless

Originally Posted by Headworx

they were proposing zero carbons by 2030.

Originally Posted by Norton

Another case of mad vows disease.

Originally Posted by baldrick

now the mining industry , medical insurance industry , oil/gas industry , land and house development industry and billionaires will be doing all in their power top make sure the greens are not holding the balance of power

Ofcourse they will and their lackeys in the major parties will lend a hand

That’s why we’re calling on Scott Morrison to put in place a formal legislated plan to reduce Australia's emissions by 75% by 2030 and phase out coal and gas. Our future depends on it.

2030 Targets Now | Australian Greens
This is what I googled

Still ambitious

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Odds have shortened to $1.26 on this thread making it to a century before the result is in

Originally Posted by Polkadot

Spag Bol Nese is hopeless

yes , the important things to concentrate on for this election - popularity contests are a lot less complicated

Originally Posted by baldrick

did you get an email saying they had sent it ?

truth

Was I supposed to have? Never mind, too late now.

So ... in the real world

AUSTRALIAN COAL IS REDUCING GREENHOUSE GASSES

How, you might ask ... well.

First, be a realist and admit that, for the near future that coal powered power stations are a part of the landscape ... as dirty and polluting as they are.

Australian Black Coal has some of the highest calorific value, burns cleaner than 'brown coal' and contributes less pollution per megawatt hour. (see the end of this post)


Coal will die a natural death and demand for it drops and more renewable sources become available, both physically and economically practically.

And that time can't come soon enough.

But till then, fuck the greens, burn Australian Coal and Save the Planet

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Summary – Brown vs Black Coal

There are various different types of coal – each with their own properties

Brown coal tends to be the softer and less efficient energy source, and usually contains more moisture and a lower carbon content


Black coal has multiple stages, and tends to be harder, with a higher carbon content, as well as lower moisture content, and has more energy content compared to brown coal


Each of the coal types also tend to have different carbon emission rates per unit of electricity produced – soft coal like brown coal tends to emit more than hard coal like black coal (unearthed.greenpeace.org)

Turn out the lights the party is over. Labour it is. Folks have their minds made up and are tuned out so gap will stay about same when the final vote is counted.

Originally Posted by Norton

Turn out the lights the party is over. Labour it is. Folks have their minds made up and are tuned out so gap will stay about same when the final vote is counted.

Seems it is.

If there was a watershed moment (aligning with the cross-over point in Norton's chart above) it was when the current Australian Prime Minister in the middle of the worst Bush (Forest) Fires in living history were reaping havoc in Australia and Scomo decided his family was more important and went to Hawaii for a holiday and, when questioned he later espoused ... I don't hold a hose.

Lot's of sarcasm in the clip below ... made me smile.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Got to be the most boring build up to an election ever.

Whoever wins will be handed a poison chalice, it’s either serious inflation or a decent recession, take your pick but it’s got to be one or the other.

Could it not be both?

Oh wait. That’s UK isn’t it.

Do carry on.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

burn Australian Coal and Save the Planet

Good that someone swallowed on the brown versus black coal.

The industry paid good money to get that across to the gullibles

Nice alibi.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

They are the Party that you vote for as a pimple faced Uni Student, untill you graduate, move out of Mum and Pop's, have to get a job and face the reality of a modern economy.

All power to the youngsters. Old insane idiots like you and me shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Our generation has proved ourselves "not worthy".

And we aren't going to deal with the consequenses of our tomorrow never comes habbits

Originally Posted by David48atTD

First, be a realist and admit that, for the near future that coal powered power stations are a part of the landscape ... as dirty and polluting as they are.

In Oz, China, India and places like that they will be. Who would dispute that ?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Don't get wrong, I have solar, grow my own veges as best as we can etc.

You have mentioned that

I have a black friend

Originally Posted by David48atTD

FUCK the Greens.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Why? ... because they can and they know they will never have to run the country,

Will there be a country to run if you continue to deposit your votes with the right wingers you fancy so much ?

Not that I care too much if Australia floods over, become a dustball or burns down every summer.

Except..I have kids too, who deserves a future, preferably not too much shitier than the life I've had.

Like you do

But by all means, Dave; don't let us assholes rock your boat : Fuck the Greens and suck some Liberal cock

Originally Posted by David48atTD

They are the Party that you vote for as a pimple faced Uni Student, untill you graduate, move out of Mum and Pop's, have to get a job and face the reality of a modern economy.

yes , and the party that is prepared to speak up about the subsidies paid to companies in the form of outright money and tax loopholes - I followed their how to vote for the senate as I want their rationalism involved in the future direction of Australia

Originally Posted by David48atTD

First, be a realist and admit that, for the near future that coal powered power stations are a part of the landscape

not really - they are not reliable - and past governments have not built the infrastructure that would have allowed us to shut them down sooner

Originally Posted by helge

Good that someone swallowed on the brown versus black coal.

The industry paid good money to get that across to the gullibles

Nice alibi.

Quoting from the Greenpeace investigative Journal UNEARTHED ...

Referring to Brown coal — aka Lignite

But it poses a few problems from an environmental point of view, which are becoming increasingly troublesome — here is a run-down:

1) It’s amongst the most carbon intensive ways of generating power you can imagine

Burning lignite generates more CO2 emissions than hard coal, and between three and seven times more than gas.
That means the expansion of lignite (brown coal) mining in the EU could add 118Mt to iannual carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions – nearly half Spain’s CO2 output in 2012 – according to analysis by Unearthed and Greenpeace.

2) It’s also amongst the dirtiest forms of fuel you can burn

Just like with regular black coal, lignite-firing results in dust, NOx and SO2 emissions. These can combine to create a cocktail of air pollution — which is dangerous to health.
Exposure to air pollution can increase the risk of lung cancer, chronic bronchitis, and heart disease. Coal plants in Europe could contribute towards around 22,000 premature deaths – based on their 2010 emissions, according to a study by the University of Stuttgart.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...might-problem/

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Originally Posted by baldrick

yes , and the party that is prepared to speak up about the subsidies paid to companies in the form of outright money and tax loopholes - I followed their how to vote for the senate as I want their rationalism involved in the future direction of Australia

Agreed. Political donations need to be more transparent.

Plus, considering that Australia is shipping it's limited natural resources overseas, they should be taxed more, taxed in a way that benefits Australians and Australia in the long term.

Possibly putting the proceeds into the Future Fund.