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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Meanwhile another sexist,mysogenist attack on one of the female candidates.

    Liberal candidate Zoe McKenzie’s Federal Election marketing posters and campaign car defaced in Flinders electorate | Sky News Australia

    Personally, I LMAO over that poster. Must be my sexist racist mysogenist (did i miss any ists?) personality.

    I really don’t see what’s funny about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Classic, if you know the players.
    The bat soup . . . and Wong (though she's Malaysian - quite good)


    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    I really don’t see what’s funny about it.
    Oh, you know . . . using the word c u n t gives some the giggles - writing it on a poster is a thigh slapper for them.

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    Thought an Aussie political ad would be of interest. Subtitled for you non Aussie speakers.


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    ^ Love that.

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    A demonstration of delicious democratic poetry in motion for our authoritarian brethren...

    The senate form comes this year with a voting paper too wide to fit on a kitchen island

    Australian Federal Election 2022-img_20220504_035330-jpg

    You have the option of voting above the line or below the line

    Above the line you have to choose at least 6 parties in descending order of preference from a total of 24 parties

    Australian Federal Election 2022-img_20220504_035359-jpg

    Below the line you have to choose at least 12 candidates from a total of about 70

    Australian Federal Election 2022-img_20220504_035406-jpg

    I have always previously opted for option 1 because 6 is less than 12

    But then I cracked on yesterday that the major parties have up to 6 candidates so it is actually easier in terms of party choice if you go for option 2

    The house of representatives form is just the 8 candidates but you have to number all 8 in descending order

    Australian Federal Election 2022-img_20220504_035446-jpg

    Fook me it is complicated... no wonder Vlad and Winnie are putting up such a fight to resist this nonsense!

    There was no Miniature Nazi Party listed so I will maybe start one before 2025

    Australian Federal Election 2022-img_20220505_013433-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Fook me it is complicated
    Why are the Liberals the first box? Why are the Liberals not liberal?

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    Why are the Liberals not liberal?
    I've often wondered that myself. I reckon voting in oz is gratuitously complicated, but it is a bit the same stateside isn't it?

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    I like this about Oz, for all it's faults-


    Henry R. Greenfield

    Lives in Sydney, Australia (2021–present)1y

    Why is Australia’s minimum wage the highest in the world?



    I have been running companies in Australia since 1997 and before that was an exporter of Aussie goods to Asia. While I grew up in the USA and worked for them in Asia, they sent me to outsource Aussie factories to China as my job. It was no choice as I had lived in China, built and run factories there, spoke Mandarin, then was fired when I completed the process. So I know from personal experience how the Aussie industrial phase ended as I participated in it yet it did not stop the rise in wages nor the adherence to a strong minimum wage.

    So here is my view.

    • A lot of countries have solid Min wages including most of the EU. This is not unique and some like Germany have a 150 year history of social benefits back to Bismarck in the 1870s.
    • Aussie labor/management relations have been contentious forever but now as industrialization is essentially over, that has all but ended.
    • I negotiated with unions when I first came here and they were tough and had the law on their side, it was a complex system and you could not break it even if you wanted to on the management side. In other words, Labor has been strong in Australia for a very long time so it meant solid wages for everyone.
    • There are no ‘tips’ in Australia, that means you don’t have servers begging for money but you pay them. You know exactly what your meal will cost as it includes GST so no sales tax added as it is pre calculated in the price.
    • Australia keeps everything clean and simple. You know how much tax you will pay you know your Superannuation (401k), your employer knows what they have to contribute and in general there are few pension plans so you need to save and we do as we have to and it is statutory.
    • The Australian govt is wedded and built on the concept of the ‘fair go’. It doesn’t matter when or how it started, what matters is it is embedded into every political party. No one would ever consider cutting the minimum wage or requiring anyone to work for less.



    That being said, the resource boom was just starting when I arrived. It is absolutely true that the resource extraction industry has fueled everything in Australia in the past 25 years and the quality of life would be less without it. Further, a massive though somewhat dry in parts country with still only a modest number of people, means we can grow stuff and sell it around the world as we keep it clean here on the chemical side by and large.

    That means we are a good exporter and we pay for that by using walk about labor like uni kids who want a year in Australia so we don’t have the US border bring in cheap labor issue. These folks come and go and immigration is tight.

    Finally, we do not put down or discriminate against our ‘tradies’ or tradesmen. They are paid well, they live well, they buy million dollar homes. Wages have risen steadily to the point where the minimum wage as a livable wage is now embedded in the national psyche.

    Oh and comparing it to the USA, Australia can do it, the USA can do it. And it does not cut jobs it most certainly adds to them as everyone gets paid, social benefits are minor here as they are not necessary to have food stamps for instance and everyone feels good about themselves as they are respected and paid for the jobs they do. And I mean every job, there is no such thing as a bad job or an underpaid job in Australia so you never feel bad about the guy next to you doesn’t have enough to eat, or has to work 2 jobs. They are just like you, paid like you, treated like you whether you are a man or woman or whatever color. You simply got to get up and go to work and get paid and you go home and enjoy your life because that is the way it is in Australia and no one would accept cutting the minimum wage or the government taking it away from you.

    Just like in most of the countries of the EU, we won’t listen to anyone who says we don’t deserve a decent wage to live. It is totally unacceptable to say work for little or no job. No one not a party, not a business, not a corporation in Australia would ever say anything like that and keep their doors open or government job for more than a nano second.

    Last point on wages and employment and it is an important one. The way it works in Australia is YOU MUST PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES FIRST INCLUDING THEIR BENEFITS FULLY FUNDED FULLY PAID. Before you pay yourself, before you pay your suppliers, before you pay back the bank on your loan.

    If you do not, this is called ‘trading while insolvent’. There is no such thing as hiring someone and then saying you can’t pay them, or cut their pay or any other variation. If you don’t pay your business closes. Further, if you don’t pay and your business closes, you are personally liable to pay them including criminal penalties.

    Australia does not mess around and let you screw your employees. Everyone gets it, everyone understands and everyone pays as it is an equal responsibility for every employer.

    Long may it reign.

    https://askaussiesanything.quora.com/https-www-quora-com-Why-is-Australia-s-minimum-wage-the-highest-in-the-world-answer-Henry-R-Greenfield?ch=8&oid=67957873&share=c327f38c&srid=u 6VOf&target_type=post


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Why are the Liberals not liberal?
    Well, they are.

    Child endowment, free medical care for pensioners, Homes for Aged scheme, establishment of sheltered workshops, got rid of the white Asraliam policy and so on and so on and so on.

    Australia's right of centre party is absolutely nothing compared to the Republicans . . . or even the Democratic party in the US in terms of being right of centre.

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    I don't have a dog in the fight any couldn't care less who wins but as a neutral that's watched a few interviews and speeches by both leaders (unavoidable if you watch Aussie news or current events shows lately) it seems Albanese is going to hand this election to Morrison on a silver plate. All Albanese does is whine about how bad everything is with a sour look on his face (is he a Pom?) while assuring the public that "he has a plan" to fix everything, the exact details of which are never forthcoming. Not an easy bloke to have confidence in from what I've seen.

    Just my 2 satang...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Why are the Liberals the first box?
    Pure chance ... they draw the names out of a hat ... or something like that process


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Why are the Liberals not liberal?
    In Australia there is very little difference between the two major parties.

    Once one party puts out a popular policy, the other party simply adopts that policy as it's own.

    Mostly Australia votes for the Liberal Party to run the government as a business, but when they want genuine social change they vote the Labor Party in.

    Labor Party has given Australia some amazing things ... Medicare for one.

    Since WWII, the Labor Party has only won the Election from being in opposition only 3 times from memory.

    The Greens get about 10% of the vote
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    I don't have a dog in the fight any couldn't care less who wins but as a neutral that's watched a few interviews and speeches by both leaders (unavoidable if you watch Aussie news or current events shows lately) it seems Albanese is going to hand this election to Morrison on a silver plate. All Albanese does is whine about how bad everything is with a sour look on his face (is he a Pom?) while assuring the public that "he has a plan" to fix everything, the exact details of which are never forthcoming. Not an easy bloke to have confidence in from what I've seen.

    Just my 2 satang...

    Labor, IMHO suffer from the inability to produce a 'Party Leader' who is competent and likable ... Albanese is proving himself to be neither.
    That said, Labor is still favorite to form Government, maybe with the help of some Independents and the Greens


    From the Past

    Labor's Bob Hawke was the last leader to be both ... great bloke.

    Labor's Paul Keating, who followed was very competent but not so likable.

    Currently Labor's Penny Wong is very competent but not so likable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    while assuring the public that "he has a plan" to fix everything
    Trumpian and very much like Jacinda across the ditch

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Trumpian and very much like Jacinda across the ditch

    Yep..

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Well, they are.
    Comment was a bit tongue in cheek and based on comments from Aus friends saying Liberals were right of center. As you say, not to be confused with US GOP right of center. The political center in the US is a good bit right of Aus center. Suppose the "center" varies nation to nation across the world.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Federal Election 2022: Australians look to support minor parties

    Millions of Aussies are throwing their support behind some surprising minor political parties. See who they are.

    With the federal election less than a month away, Australia’s major political parties are battling to win votes.

    But for millions of Australians, the feeling of disillusionment with the country’s traditional two-party system of politics has seen them turn their attention to the increasingly popular minor parties.

    The rising cost of living, climate change and anti-vax mandates, are some of the key issues these minor parties will be fighting for as Australians head to the polls.

    Here is a full list of the 15 minor parties and what they stand for.

    Full Article - No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Millions of Aussies are throwing their support behind some surprising minor political parties. See who they are.
    Did they not learn from the last time that happened...

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    ^Please explain

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    It always seems to die in the ass- at least it has historically- but the more I look at the choice given to the voter in the two party systems of the anglo countries, the more I reckon another viable option makes sense. We have a kind of bought and paid for pseudo democracy. At minimum, a thorough review and overhaul of campaign finance laws should be on the cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Please explain

    On 17 July 2010 Julia Gulliard called an election seeking a mandate from the electorate for her prime ministership. The election resulted in a ‘hung’ parliament—the first one since the 1940 election. The ALP could only win 72 seats but the Coalition with Abbott as leader could not better that number when the WA National, Tony Crook, chose to sit on the crossbench. The Greens won its first seat at a general election—the only other Greens’ win in the lower house was at the 2002 by-election for Cunningham, NSW—and four independents were also elected. The ALP was returned to government with the support of the Greens and three of the four Independents.
    In the Senate, the Greens had its best ever result picking up six seats. This gave the Greens nine seats in the new Senate and the balance of power. The DLP replaced the Family First Party by picking up the last Senate seat in Victoria, the DLP’s first senator since 1970.

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    Second debate and things are heating up a couple of degrees



    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Why are the Liberals not liberal?
    Depends on whether you need liberated from the tyranny of traditional mores or the tyranny of meddlin gubmint I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Why are the Liberals the first box?
    And why do they spell Labor with the dumb-arse merkin spelling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    in the two party systems of the anglo countries
    Oddly enough there are far more than two parties in the UK, Oz, NZ, Canada . . . they're 'Anglo', aren't they?


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    We have a kind of bought and paid for pseudo democracy.
    Tell us what this "bought and paid for pseudo democracy" is and how it manifests itself . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    At minimum, a thorough review and overhaul of campaign finance laws should be on the cards.
    Can't disagree there, but what specifically about campaign finance laws would you change?

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    The numbers still seem to favour Albanese . . . but we'll see. If he does get in, get ready for a Jacinda-style economic breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Oddly enough there are far more than two parties in the UK, Oz, NZ, Canada . . . they're 'Anglo', aren't they?


    Tell us what this "bought and paid for pseudo democracy" is and how it manifests itself . . .



    Can't disagree there, but what specifically about campaign finance laws would you change?
    Still nothing, sabang?

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    GIYF hatter. I'm not your kindy teacher.

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