The Russian Invasion of Kazakhstan thread

[Backspin]

Seems vlad is preoccupied with trying to create grounds for another incursion into Ukraine.

He's very open about it actually. Ukraine entering NATO is unacceptable and Russia will no longer allow the status quo to continue.

Just as Cuba entering the CSTO is unacceptable for the US. And if the status quo continues , there will be a military response.

[malmomike77]

They rely on their copy of NATO collective defence to keep authoritarian rule and rulers in place.
Its a broken capitalist system based on corruption at the highest level. It’s the same system that the Chinese are trying to avoid happening to them. No finesse involved at all.

wtf is that?

[Backspin]

[i]MOSCOW (AP) — Russia raised the stakes Thursday in its dispute with the West over Ukraine and NATO’s expansion when a top diplomat refused to rule out a military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela if tensions with the United States escalate.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said he could “neither confirm nor exclude” the possibility of Russia sending military assets to Latin America if the U.S. and its allies don’t curtail their military activities on Russia’s doorstep.

“It all depends on the action by our U.S. counterparts,” the minister said in an interview with Russian television network RTVI, citing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s warning that Moscow could take unspecified “military-technical measures” if the U.S. and its allies fail to heed its demands.

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan dismissed the statements about a possible Russian deployment to Cuba and Venezuela as “bluster in the public commentary.”[/i]

[Backspin]

Lololol

The American authorities would act “decisively” if Russia deployed its military to Latin America, the White House said on Thursday, following suggestions that Moscow could station some of its troops in Venezuela or Cuba.

What happened to the idea that muh sovereigns can do what they want ?

[Switch]

wtf is that?

It’s a post from someone who has knowledge of the country, it’s historical connections to the former Soviet Union, and current the state of that country today.

[Switch]

Lololol

The American authorities would act “decisively” if Russia deployed its military to Latin America, the White House said on Thursday, following suggestions that Moscow could station some of its troops in Venezuela or Cuba.

What happened to the idea that muh sovereigns can do what they want ?

They are nowhere near the world war 3 scenario that you are trying to create. This is not their first rodeo, and it’s not a computer game for people like you who have no grasp of diplomacy, or current affairs on the world stage.

Yes, I saw your post putting me on ignore. That just shows how ignorant you are.

[sabang]

The American authorities would act “decisively” if Russia deployed its military to Latin America

So it's do as I say, but not as I do- one rule for you, but another for me. The USA will always stick out as an anachronism in the current century until it abandons this deluded way of thinking.

I wonder how much more damage it will cause to it's international standing, and it's allies while this sorts itself out. I wonder how many more innocent (and not so innocent) people will in die the process.

For the record, if the US has the right to place it's guns and missiles in eastern Europe and the mideast then Russia, China etc have an equal right to place their guns and missiles in central America and the Caribbean. At the invitation of the Host nation, of course. It's called reciprocity, not "one rule for You, but another one for Me".

[panama hat]

So

blah blah blah . . . Read Switch's post:

They are nowhere near the world war 3 scenario that you are trying to create. This is not their first rodeo, and it’s not a computer game for people like you who have no grasp of diplomacy, or current affairs on the world stage.

[Hugh Cow]

So it's do as I say, but not as I do- one rule for you, but another for me. The USA will always stick out as an anachronism in the current century until it abandons this deluded way of thinking.

I wonder how much more damage it will cause to it's international standing, and it's allies while this sorts itself out. I wonder how many more innocent (and not so innocent) people will in die the process.

For the record, if the US has the right to place it's guns and missiles in eastern Europe and the mideast then Russia, China etc have an equal right to place their guns and missiles in central America and the Caribbean. At the invitation of the Host nation, of course. It's called reciprocity, not "one rule for You, but another one for Me".

Those countries will never let the Russians put missiles on their territory. It would justify a first strike by the US which these two countries would be powerless to stop and it would be the end of both regimes. Authoritarian regimes like theirs, China and Russia are about dictator survival nothing else.
It's no wonder a country like Poland that had thousands of their citizens massacred by Russian invaders in the past want a backup like NATO in their backyard.
There is not one country strong enough in the whole of europe that has the capacity or will to invade or even threaten Russia militarily. Certainly not the E.U. bedwetters. They're too worried about buying gas from their greatest security threat.

[panama hat]

There is not one country strong enough in the whole of europe that has the capacity or will to invade or even threaten Russia militarily.

Certainly not the E.U. bedwetters.

So, you quite correctly state there is a zero chance of any European country invading Russia because they are not strong enough by ANY means . . . you then call them "bedwetters" - you do realise that you're criticising them for not wanting to get, guaranteed, annihilated?

I guess you're the type of person who goes into pubs and starts fights with the biggest, strongest and meanest man in there because . . . you're not a "bedwetter". Well done you.

Let's see . . . instead of keeping up with a ridiculous arms race these countries have poured these resources into creating a safe and very well educated population whose quality of life is hard to match . . . "bedwetters'.

[OhOh]

Meeting with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu

The President had a working meeting with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu.

January 13, 2022 15:50

The Kremlin, Moscow

"President of Russia Vladimir Putin:

Mr Shoigu, please.I would like you to report on the progress and completion of our peacekeeping mission, our participation in the CSTO peacekeeping mission.

Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu:

Mr President, in keeping with the decision of the Collective Security Council and the presidents and heads of state and government of the CSTO member states, we immediately began the planning and implementation of the operation to form and deploy CSTO peacekeeping troops.

Our General Staff is keeping in touch with our colleagues from Kazakhstan, of course, as well as with all the other defence ministers. We have organised an airlift. It involved over 80 military transport aircraft, because we needed to airlift peacekeepers from all the CSTO member states, including Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, as well as Russian military personnel and their equipment.

Vladimir Putin:

From Armenia.

Sergei Shoigu:

Yes, certainly, from Armenia.

Armenia as the current chair of the CSTO was to play the main role in preparing what I can describe as documented decisions. All this has been done.

We began the operation on schedule and airlifted all the troops very quickly. We assumed control of 14 facilities, which are now of paramount importance, of course. They are communication, energy and life support facilities and facilities vital for the activities of the state. Acting at the request of the Kazakhstani authorities and in accordance with your instructions, we have also placed several other facilities, which could pose a serious threat if seized by terrorists, under our protection.

We have established a sustainable command system and a headquarters. The officer who has been appointed commander of the forces on the ground is Colonel General [Andrei] Serdyukov, Commander of the Russian Airborne Forces. He assumed office immediately.

We did everything in accordance with our training during drills, sending in the lead group, deploying the forward-based forces and taking over control of the infrastructure

Today we held a meeting of the CSTO Council of Defence Ministers where we reviewed a plan and made a decision to transfer various facilities for protection by Kazakhstan’s security agencies. It was impossible to do this before because our goal was different in the first days – to release those agencies from protecting the facilities. The quick pace of this operation allowed us to release about 1,600 security officers to fight the criminals who brought chaos to the republic.

I would like to repeat that as of today, everything is under control, and our coordination is excellent. We endorsed a plan for the step by step withdrawal and transfer of these facilities for protection to Kazakhstan.

We will begin our withdrawal today. Tomorrow, we will airlift the forces of all our colleagues – Armenia, Tajikistan and Belarus – with 14 aircraft. Our Kyrgyz partners will withdraw on their own since they are close. In the next five days, as we will be transferring the facilities, we plan to withdraw the remaining peacekeeping forces and complete everything on January 19.

Vladimir Putin:

Mr Shoigu, CSTO peacekeepers have played a very important role in stabilising the situation in Kazakhstan, our closest partner and ally. President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev made this evaluation himself.

Indeed, we managed to take all vital structures and infrastructure facilities under our protection and release a considerable number of service personnel and law enforcement units to carry out special operations inside the country.

As I said, the groups who protested for a reduction in energy prices and the armed groups who fought the armed forces for several days, encircling them in their places of deployment, are completely different groups with different goals.

It is very important that the CSTO forces have helped bring the situation back to normal and restore law and order. In fact, this is the first CSTO operation like this. We performed a very important task through a concerted effort. This will allow the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan to resolve socioeconomic and political problems in a dialogue with society in a calm atmosphere. This is very important.

Our military aviation transport played a big role in this respect; this is clear. We managed to deploy and concentrate our military equipment and personnel, our resources, in a short span of time. Everything went like clockwork: quickly, smoothly and efficiently.

I would like to thank you, the General Staff, all those who were in charge of the operation for this work and to express the hope that this practice of using our armed forces will be carefully analysed and improved accordingly, if necessary. Now it is time to go home – we have fulfilled our mission.

Thank you."

Meeting with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu • President of Russia

[OhOh]

[harrybarracuda]

wtf is that?

To keep it simple for you: A dictator boy's club.

[harrybarracuda]

Yes, I saw your post putting me on ignore. That just shows how ignorant you are.

Skidmark? He's as thick as shit, and anything he posts he's copied off someone else.

[harrybarracuda]

If Putin keeps up this jingoistic nonsense, I can see NATO getting a couple more members from Scandyhooliganland.

[Backspin]

Those countries will never let the Russians put missiles on their territory. It would justify a first strike by the US .

Holy ever living shit. To say the hypocrisy is off the scales..

"hey let's put the US military in Ukraine but man, if Russia puts it's military in Cuba , that justifies a first strike" You are the definition of a hypocrite and you have zero credibility.

There are Russian military planes there right now staking it out.

[Backspin]

If Putin keeps up this jingoistic nonsense, I can see NATO getting a couple more members from Scandyhooliganland.

Well the USA believes it , Hugh Cow believes it so I'll assume you believe it too. You believe that its ok for the US to build military bases in Ukraine but it's not ok for Russia to build military bases in Cuba or Venezuela. Which makes you the definition of a fucking hypocrite.

[panama hat]

Is Skidmark breaking down?

[malmomike77]

It’s a post from someone who has knowledge of the country, it’s historical connections to the former Soviet Union, and current the state of that country today.

Really, you must lecture in RUSI

[Switch]

Really, you must lecture in RUSI

It only takes a very simple understanding of geography, demography and the historic links to Soviet era satellites to know how these simple facts generate the current situation.
It does help to have a few close associates who live and work there.

If you struggling to understand it all, just start with a map.

[malmomike77]

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If you struggling to understand it all, just start with a map.

I 'm not strughling with understanding the region at all. You though are coming across increasingly as a pompous prick. You didn't really share the "inside" detail that only you on here seem to have access to, i'm sure given your spare time you can pass on more detail your in country contacts have. Oh i forgot you are busy in Qatar or something.

[Hugh Cow]

So, you quite correctly state there is a zero chance of any European country invading Russia because they are not strong enough by ANY means . . . you then call them "bedwetters" - you do realise that you're criticising them for not wanting to get, guaranteed, annihilated?

I guess you're the type of person who goes into pubs and starts fights with the biggest, strongest and meanest man in there because . . . you're not a "bedwetter". Well done you.
Let's see . . . instead of keeping up with a ridiculous arms race these countries have poured these resources into creating a safe and very well educated population whose quality of life is hard to match . . . "bedwetters'.

Err... because they are bedwetters. The EU not the individual countries. Your assumption of my character from one word is quite astonishing for someone who supposedly prefers to deal in facts. Really Hattie for someone who savages any brexiteer in some quite personel attacks on occasion, you are a little sensitive over the bedwetter terminology, in that the EU has trouble making any meaningful decisions. Have they worked out who will take up the lack of contributions after brexit yet? Or still argueing that one? Whilst at the same time threatening the second biggest contributor to European NATO defence. The Russians must be pissing themselves laughing. Buying from their potential enemy while pissing on an one of their biggest allies.
Noone is suggesting they should attack Russia least of all me. But neither should they sleep with the enemy. Ala Nordstream Gazprom for starters.
The theory that trading is better than war is a discredited idea. We have seen that with China who now threatens the very countries that it traded with. Remember how increase in trade and living standards would have China moving towards a more democratic style of govt?
The one way to help contain on Russias military power and influence is to starve the govt of funds through trade (or lack of). Like China, change in Russia must come from within. A dissatisfied internal population is the best way to weaken them as in the 3.5% rule that states once more than 3.5% of the population are prepared to go to the streets govts can fall.
What ever ones view of the U.S. is and it is far from all good, I believe if not for the threat of America the Ukraine would already have its govt overthrown with a pro Russian govt and possibly Russian "peacekeepers".
The Russians like the Chinese long for the glory days of empire and influence. The history of the world shows one consistent repetition throughout history. The strong prey on the weak. Dictators cannot afford to fall and the best way to ensure that is to introduce a perceived foreign threat. That has not and will not change for quite a while yet.
The EU I hope, but strongly doubt, will ever be able to fill the power vacuum left by a gradually weakened and insular U.S. but there are two vultures eagerly waiting in the wings when the Eagle can no longer fly.

[Hugh Cow]

Well the USA believes it , Hugh Cow believes it so I'll assume you believe it too. You believe that its ok for the US to build military bases in Ukraine but it's not ok for Russia to build military bases in Cuba or Venezuela. Which makes you the definition of a fucking hypocrite.

Is their a nurse in the house? Backspin is off the meds again. In no way did I say it was ok for the USA to have bases in the Ukraine, no more than Russia should have debadged military and Russian military weapons in Donetsk which you seem to skirt around or deny. That is called direct intervention in another countries affairs, someting you and Ohbang consistently criticise th U.S. for. I have no problem with U.S criticism where warranted only for you 3 it is a one way street.

[Switch]

I 'm not strughling with understanding the region at all. You though are coming across increasingly as a pompous prick. You didn't really share the "inside" detail that only you on here seem to have access to, i'm sure given your spare time you can pass on more detail your in country contacts have. Oh i forgot you are busy in Qatar or something.

Hahaha do try to keep up. Your lack of education is not my responsibility.

PS Qatar was 4 years ago.

[panama hat]

Your assumption of my character from one word is quite astonishing

they are bedwetters.

the E.U. bedwetters

I wonder why . . .

Have they worked out who will take up the lack of contributions after brexit yet?

Who says anyone has to make it up? The UK gave, the UK took . . . the UK opted out of many programs. This isn't about Bexit . . .


There is no EU-run military force, so your point is moot . . . Brexit or not.




9/10 times I agree with your geopolitical musings and green you for them - this time I don't - hardly a matter to get upset about . . . and I do agree with:

What ever ones view of the U.S. is and it is far from all good, I believe if not for the threat of America the Ukraine would already have its govt overthrown with a pro Russian govt and possibly Russian "peacekeepers".

Dictators don't have to get the people's will for their actions, least of all when they control much of the media and discredit the ones they don't.