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    Russian troops to quit Kazakhstan, says president, taking aim at the elite

    By Tamara Vaal

    January 11, 20228:51 PM


    "ALMATY, Jan 11 (Reuters) -


    • Russian-led peacekeepers to start exit in two days' time
    • President appoints new PM, criticises security apparatus
    • Speaks of need to narrow wealth gap, raise mining taxes
    • Says he wants associates of ex-president to share wealth




    "Russian-led forces will begin withdrawing from Kazakhstan in two days' time after stabilising the Central Asian nation following serious unrest, the president said on Tuesday, in a speech that took aim at wealthy associates of his predecessor."

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    Russian troops to quit Kazakhstan, says president, taking aim at the elite | Reuters

    Factbox: Former Kazakh leader's family wealth in spotlight after unrest


    "Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev hinted on Tuesday that associates of his predecessor and former patron Nursultan Nazarbayev needed to share their wealth with the public to help alleviate discontent after a week of violent unrest."

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    Factbox: Former Kazakh leader'''s family wealth in spotlight after unrest | Reuters
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    Session of CSTO Collective Security Council

    Vladimir Putin took part in an emergency session of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation Collective Security Council.

    January 10, 2022

    "The Republic of Armenia chaired the videoconference meeting, which was devoted to the situation in Kazakhstan and measures to normalise it.

    Taking part in the meeting were Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, Prime Minister of Kyrgyzstan Akylbek Japarov, President of Tajikistan Emomali Rahmon and Secretary General of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation Stanislav Zas."


    Session of CSTO Collective Security Council • President of Russia

    A full complete readout of the meeting with much detail of events from the CSTO deployment, their actions, their results, to the activities of the terrorists within Kazakhstan. Including the attacks on the government buildings, their burning and the deaths of the Kazakhstan police and defence agencies.

    For those desiring the officials views.



    A similar event elsewhere:

    South African prosecutors charge parliament fire suspect with terrorism

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    January 11, 2022

    "CAPE TOWN, Jan 11 (Reuters) - The suspect in a fire that gutted parts of South Africa's 138-year-old parliament building this month was charged with terrorism on Tuesday, appearing in court for a case officials have described as an attack on the country's democracy."

    South African prosecutors charge parliament fire suspect with terrorism | Reuters
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    For those desiring the officials views.
    So sabang then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No-one reads the drivel you post anyway, so I prefer to save my fellow members' endless scrolling past your utter fucking shite.

    You obviously do. You are always here to counter his posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    You are always here to counter his posts.
    Whereas you simply echo any totalitarian b.s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Whereas you simply echo any totalitarian b.s.

    Singapore is just as totalitarian as Russia, probably more. But your media doesn't feed you daily anti Singapore propaganda. So it doesn't cross your mind.

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    Good God, you are so very, very boring. You bring this shit up constantly, are asked to back it up with facts and then bloviate like the whiny know-nothing that you are . . .

    So, back it up with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Good God, you are so very, very boring. You bring this shit up constantly, are asked to back it up with facts and then bloviate like the whiny know-nothing that you are . . .

    So, back it up with facts.
    But in fairness he has no opinions of his own. He just runs around googling for things to post on any thread because he craves attention.

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    Putin draws the line for colour revolutions

    January 12, 2022 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

    "This must be a rare page in American diplomatic history that a US Secretary of State has been literally off his rocker. Antony Blinken’s outbursts on the events in Kazakhstan were not only boorish but also illogical.Blinken questioned the decision by the president of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Kemelevich Tokayev to request help from the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) to deploy forces to help stabilise the grave situation in his country. He said it was unclear why the deployment was happening!
    Moscow had emphasised right at the outset that the CSTO deployment would be temporary.

    Nonetheless, Blinken sniped that “one lesson of recent history is that once Russians are in your house, it’s sometimes very difficult to get them to leave”.


    The Russian Foreign Ministry furiously denounced Blinken’s insulting remarks. It said Blinken spoke “in his typical boorish manner.” The statement went on to say, “When Americans are in your house, it can be difficult to stay alive, and not to be robbed or raped. Indians of the North American continent, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Syrians and many other unfortunate people who are unlucky enough to see these uninvited guests in their ‘home’ will have much to say about this.”


    On Tuesday, Tokayev announced that the CSTO contingent of troops would begin leaving the troubled Central Asian country in two days, with the pullout to be completed in 10 days’ time! Kremlin responded that it is entirely the prerogative of the Kazakh government to decide on such matters concerning national security!

    Blinken would know that following the murder of the Iranian general Soleimani in a US drone strike in Baghdad two years ago, Iraqi parliament had demanded the forthwith departure of all American troops. But the Americans are yet to pay heed to it!

    Yet, Blinken is an intelligent man. All things taken into account, he deliberately indulged in an act of dissimulation by uttering some nonsensical things: Blinken was actually scrambling to cover up the tracks of the attempt at regime change in Kazakhstan masterminded by the CIA with the approval of President Biden.

    Isn’t that a familiar ploy for crafty minds — distract attention from the core issue by raising dust in the air? In this miserable case, the failed attempt by the Biden administration at regime change in a strategically located remote country sandwiched between Russia and China (which is manifold more strategic than Ukraine ever can be) exposes American diplomacy to ridicule in a vast region of Inner Asia. And it forecloses any best-laid plans by NATO to cross the Caspian ever.


    Worst of all, the US’ Indo-Pacific strategy will now have a huge arc of geography to the west of China, which is impossible to barricade following such a massive depletion of American influence. Russia achieved all this at minimal cost — a five-day military mission to Kazakhstan.


    The Kremlin is reticent about disclosing everything it knows, but from available details, what took place was a failed attempt at colour revolution while “destructive internal and external forces took advantage of the situation,” as President Vladimir Putin put it.


    The Russian Ambassador to the US, Anatoly Antonov has written more explicitly on the Russian embassy’s webpage that thousands of jihadists were involved in efforts to wreak havoc in Kazakhstan.

    As he put it,

    “Kazakhstan came under attack by radicals who preached misanthropic ideology. Thousands of jihadists and looters made an attempt to shatter the constitutional order… This is a new attempt at a colour revolution with the help of gunmen and looters.”


    In another interview to Newsweek, Antonov added,

    “There is serious concern over further spread of radical religious ideology in Central Asia. It comes from the destabilisation in the Middle East and Afghanistan caused, in turn, by the Western military interferences under the pretext of defending human rights and democracy.”

    The Kremlin’s close allies, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic and Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko openly alleged that “foreign intelligence agencies of various major forces have interfered” in Kazakhstan.

    The Kazakh foreign ministry said in a statement on Monday that the country “has been subjected to armed aggression by well-coordinated terrorist groups trained abroad. According to preliminary data, the attackers include individuals who have military combat zone experience in the ranks of radical Islamist groups.”

    Tokayev himself spoke about a “well-organised and well-prepared act of aggression against Kazakhstan with the participation of foreign fighters mainly from Central Asian countries, including Afghanistan. There were also fighters from the Middle East. The idea was to form a zone of controlled chaos on our territory with the subsequent seizure of power.”


    Putin has drawn a parallel with the regime change in Ukraine in 2014, sponsored by the US where agents provocateurs demoralised the security forces forcing President Vikor Yanukovich to flee and into the resultant vacuum, US diplomats promptly inserted a puppet regime unfriendly toward Moscow.

    Foreign militants participated in the riots in Kazakhstan, Tokayev said in a talk with European Council President Charles Michel held via a video conference on Monday. “I have no doubts that this was a terror attack,” Tokayev was quoted as saying.

    “This was a well-organized and prepared act of aggression against Kazakhstan with the participation of foreign gunmen mostly from Central Asian countries, including Afghanistan. There were also militants from the Middle East,” Tokayev said. “Their intent was to create a zone of controlled chaos on our territory with the subsequent seizure of power,” he added.


    Indeed, sixteen security personnel were killed, over 1,300 suffered injuries and about 500 police cars were burned. There were targeted attacks simultaneously on government buildings in many cities.

    Conspiracy theories are galore. The involvement of Turkey and Israel has figured. Kazakhstan has closed 5 out of its seven border crossings with Kyrgyzstan. The talk of the town is that western intelligence transferred battle-hardened Islamist fighters from Syria to Kyrgyzstan to infiltrate the porous border into Kazakh territory.

    Bishkek feels so ashamed and guilty that President Sadyr Japarov didn’t show his face at the CSTO leaders’ videoconference two days ago and instead deputed his prime minister!

    More details will surely emerge. It’s known that the few thousands detainees held by Kazakh authorities include foreign nationals. An estimated 16000 NGOs are operating in Kazakhstan and many are known to be funded by US organisations such as Washington-based National Endowment for Democracy, which funds regime change projects in ex-Soviet republics.

    The US has networked extensively with ethnic Kazakh nationalists, pro-Western groups and youth. The “New Kazakh”, educated in America, is a different breed altogether from the “Russified” generation of the Soviet era.

    Kazakhstan is a coveted trophy for Cold Warriors. It borders Xinjiang and is the transportation hub for Beijing’s west-bound BRI projects. China has huge stakes in trade, investment, energy cooperation with Kazakhstan.

    For Moscow too, the stability of Kazakhstan is of vital concern as 3.5 million ethnic Russians live there. Besides, Russia also has strategic assets there such as the Baikonur Cosmodrome and the Sary Shagan testing range for ICBMs. The sparsely populated landmass is a potential infiltration route for terrorist groups.

    Blinken’s provocative remarks about the CSTO and Russia shifted the searchlight moved away from the attempted colour revolution. Nonetheless, the Russophobes in the Biden administration are ending up as losers.

    They fancied that while Moscow’s eyes remained trained on Russia’s western border, they could create a fait accompli for Russia along its 7600-km long open southern border. They were clueless that Putin would react decisively.

    By deputing a hotshot general with previous record in Chechnya, Crimea and Donbass to command the CSTO troops for the five-day period in Kazakhstan, the Kremlin made its point — ‘No more colour revolutions.’ "

    Putin draws the line for colour revolutions - Indian Punchline

    Not just Russia but all the CSTO countries unanimously assited a fellow country in distress and allegedly are cleaning up sucesfully.

    Problem identified, decisions made, plan unveiled, action instigated, solution delivered.

    Green stars to all involved.

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    Moscow had emphasised right at the outset that the CSTO deployment would be temporary.
    We know that. As soon as they have jailed or murdered all the protestors, Putin will be happy with his work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    "This must be a rare page in Russian diplomatic history that a Soviet Premier has been literally off his rocker.
    Of course . . .




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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Good God, you are so very, very boring. You bring this shit up constantly, are asked to back it up with facts and then bloviate like the whiny know-nothing that you are . . .

    So, back it up with facts.
    Give me a source that you approve of.

    Eiyher way , point is , it's not about moral considerations. it's a about geopolitics. The US wants to break Russia up into smaller parts like Europe. 60-80 million ppl tops per country. That is the goal. And that's where all this animosity comes from.

    It worked last time. They broke the Ussr up into 15 parts. Why not break it apart even more. That's why we don't have peace in eurasia.

    You might believe that its a noble persuit to break Russia up into smaller countries too. That's fine. Just stop pretending it's anything other than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    It worked last time. They broke the Ussr up into 15 parts.
    The US did nothing of the sort. The USSR fell apart because it had bankrupted itself and couldn't even afford to feed its own people after spending millions, which they couldn't afford, countering the supposed bogeyman over the border due to their extreme paranoia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    The US did nothing of the sort. The USSR fell apart because it had bankrupted itself and couldn't even afford to feed its own people after spending millions, which they couldn't afford, countering the supposed bogeyman over the border due to their extreme paranoia.

    Countries go bankrupt all the time without losing an inch of territory. Gorbachev gave east Germany back by his own will. He didn't have to. He had nuclear weapons. Then Yeltsin and the other leaders of the SSR's dissolved the union. Why ? Mostly because they wanted peace. They were naive morons who thought the US wanted peace too.
    the supposed bogeyman over the border due to their extreme paranoia



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    Jaysus Christ.

    Where do you start with that pile of nonsense?

    I'll tell you what, instead of sounding off for attention and posting utter shite when challenged, why don't you tell us how the US caused the USSR to fall apart?

    The stage is all yours:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post


    Jaysus Christ.

    Where do you start with that pile of nonsense?

    I'll tell you what, instead of sounding off for attention and posting utter shite when challenged, why don't you tell us how the US caused the USSR to fall apart?

    The stage is all yours:
    A lot of things caused the USSR to fall apart. I don't think it's a revelation to anyone that the US wanted it happen and therefore enacted policies that would help in that aim.

    It's just the Russians thought the policy would end after the USSR ended turns out not. The same policy is in force. Which was my point.

    The outrageous strategy to destroy Russia, by Arthur Lepic

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s former adviser, embodies the continuity of U.S. foreign policy whether it is democratic or republican. A great admirer of Henry Kissinger, Brzezinski has always defended, praised and shown an absolute respect for the master’s two diplomacy concepts: the balance of the powers theorized by Metternich and George Kennan’s containment doctrine. Zbigniew Brzezinski recommends how Russia should be militarily weakened and intimidated. He is convinced that the best way to achieve it is by destabilizing its border regions, a political strategy that aroused the interest of former presidential candidate John Kerry’s team who recruited his son Mark Brzezinski as its foreign policy adviser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    A lot of things caused the USSR to fall apart. I don't think it's a revelation to anyone that the US wanted it happen and therefore enacted policies that would help in that aim.

    It's just the Russians thought the policy would end after the USSR ended turns out not. The same policy is in force. Which was my point.

    The outrageous strategy to destroy Russia, by Arthur Lepic

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s former adviser, embodies the continuity of U.S. foreign policy whether it is democratic or republican. A great admirer of Henry Kissinger, Brzezinski has always defended, praised and shown an absolute respect for the master’s two diplomacy concepts: the balance of the powers theorized by Metternich and George Kennan’s containment doctrine. Zbigniew Brzezinski recommends how Russia should be militarily weakened and intimidated. He is convinced that the best way to achieve it is by destabilizing its border regions, a political strategy that aroused the interest of former presidential candidate John Kerry’s team who recruited his son Mark Brzezinski as its foreign policy adviser.
    Don't try and worm out of it now.

    Your point was that the US caused the USSR to fail (not a lot of things). Show me some evidence to back up your brainfarts and stop trying to weasel your way out of situations that you are quite clearly clueless about.

    This won't cut it either:
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    US wanted it happen.
    Wanting something to happen is not the same as causing it to happen.

    Back your mouth up or stop talking shit.

    Your call, idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Give me a source that you approve of.

    Eiyher way , point is , it's not about moral considerations. it's a about geopolitics. The US wants to break Russia up into smaller parts like Europe. 60-80 million ppl tops per country. That is the goal. And that's where all this animosity comes from.

    It worked last time. They broke the Ussr up into 15 parts. Why not break it apart even more. That's why we don't have peace in eurasia.

    You might believe that its a noble persuit to break Russia up into smaller countries too. That's fine. Just stop pretending it's anything other than that
    Complete nonsense as usual. The USSR lost influence over the satellite nations because their paranoia caused them to overspend on the defence budget. The Berlin Wall fell due to a popular uprising, and Russia was unable to sustain the budget that maintained Soviet influence.
    Kazakhstan is a very large piece of real estate, almost as big as India. The population is around 18 million, so that blows your geopolitical theory out of the water.
    The country is rich in mineral resources and Putin needs to maintain any influence Russia might have in the region.
    They rely on their copy of NATO collective defence to keep authoritarian rule and rulers in place.
    Its a broken capitalist system based on corruption at the highest level. It’s the same system that the Chinese are trying to avoid happening to them. No finesse involved at all.

    The CSTO is left to guard empty shopping malls that have already been looted by the public, who are tired of oppression by corrupt leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Give me a source that you approve of.
    Straits Times, New Straits Times, The Guardian, SCMP, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, FAZ.de, SMH, NZH . . . loads and loads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Eiyher way , point is , it's not about moral considerations. it's a about geopolitics
    Except it isn't . . . you made ridiculous statements AGAIN, about the same topic you were shown up to be a fool, every time previously.

    So:
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Singapore is just as totalitarian as Russia, probably more.
    Waiting . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Back your mouth up or stop talking shit.
    Good luck, it's Backspit
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    Good god skidmark is so fucking thick, isn't he?




    There's an interesting article here about how Gorbachev and others felt Chernobyl was the final nail in the USSR coffin.

    As someone else described it, his attempts to put a "human face" on communism were akin to trying to make a dish of fried snowballs.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Complete nonsense as usual. .
    You could have stopped there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post


    Good luck, it's Backspit
    He needs to pick up a book or two, read them beyond the headlines and the pictures, and stop relying on Google for his opinion.

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    Seems vlad is preoccupied with trying to create grounds for another incursion into Ukraine.

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