Thread: South Africa ... team directive to take the knee

That's it keep making it up as you go along

Originally Posted by Chico

That's it keep making it up as you go along

Hey Chico,

What’s it like being so dumb?

Life is hard, right??

Let's get back on topic, boys.

Regarding the larger issue, the west has made a lot of progress to end racism.

Sure, some still exist — but do "taking a knee" and "defunding the police" actually have anything tangible they want to achieve?

Like is said, "if you are young and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are older and not conservative, you have no brain."

Let the young players bend their knees and hope for a better world = cool.

Though, virtue-signaling should not be required, IMO.

interesting guy:

Originally Posted by Saint Willy

“For those who don’t know, I come from a mixed race family. My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black. For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born. Not just because there was an international movement.

“I didn’t understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day. When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning. If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Originally Posted by Samuel

“I didn’t understand why I had to prove it with a gesture..

This is my whole point on the issue...

As we all know: "taking a knee" isn't brave.

This is brave (a Swiss NBA player originally from Turkey which doesn't appreciate his outspokeness and threatens him and his family.):

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Originally Posted by cyrille

South Africa is 80% black.

Like it or not, De Kok's action suggested he is against racial equality.

That he's in favour of 80% of his countrymen and women not getting a fair shake.

Nope, that is YOUR take on it - and what NPT wrote is spot on for you and your ilk:

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Its not that, its to do with the perception that because you don't follow the herd you are somehow wrong, and people are getting increasingly singled out for abuse because they don't follow the crowd.

I respect this man's courage

Originally Posted by baldrick

You are marked because you display a complete lack of understanding

And you are an asshole

Originally Posted by Samuel

Let's get back on topic, boys.

Regarding the larger issue, the west has made a lot of progress to end racism.

Sure, some still exist — but do "taking a knee" and "defunding the police" actually have anything tangible they want to achieve?

Like is said, "if you are young and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are older and not conservative, you have no brain."

Let the young players bend their knees and hope for a better world = cool.

Though, virtue-signaling should not be required, IMO.

The current west is the least racist society in history basically.

Interview in today's Guardian with Lilian Thuram who has a new book out "White Thinking: Behind the Mask of Racial Identity"

Former France defender on identity prisons, how white players can rid football of racism and why he admires Jordan Henderson
For Lilian Thuram, the World Cup has never been enough. Even before ending a playing career in which he won trophies at Monaco, Parma, Juventus and Barcelona as well as the highest honours with France, for whom he holds the record for number of appearances (142), he has been trying to contribute to profound social change.
The foundation he set up in 2008 aims to educate people out of racism. Since hanging up his boots that year he has also, among many other things, campaigned against sexism and homophobia, advised the French government on social integration, served as a Unicef ambassador and, for his efforts to counter discrimination, been awarded honorary degrees by the universities of Stirling and Stockholm. He has written several books. The English version of his latest one, entitled White Thinking: Behind the Mask of Racial Identity, is published on Friday. In it he calls for “race suicide”. He aims to liberate people from “identity prisons” .........

Lilian Thuram: ‘Racism has always been a scam, a political construction’ | Football | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Saint Willy

For those who don’t know, I come from a mixed race family. My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black

.As soon as one has to say I’m not a racist because my friend/wife/sister is black… then they are!

That would be more powerful if you’d quoted it without it looking like you were talking to yourself.

Durr…

Dave - fair point.

But differences in black opinions just aren’t the same as a white SA cricket player refusing to take the knee while his black teammates do.

Hope you can see that.

Originally Posted by Backspin

The current west is the least racist society in history basically.

It's funny when white people declare that racism isn't an issue.

Let's also look at where the event is taking place, that bastion of race equality, gender equality, diverse gender-acceptance . . . the UAE.

I like this guy ... Waleed Aly.

He's worked across media in Australia, both on commercial networks and the Government funded ABC, plus he's a lecturer in politics at Monash University.

A man of colour, Muslim, hence a different perspective from many WASPs in Australia.

Embedded in this page is a shot video clip explaining his reactions to the story's aftermath.

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The guy with the hair and tash is an aboriginal (ex) AFL player who is one of the leads as an ABC sports news presenter.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Dave - fair point.

But differences in black opinions just aren’t the same as a white SA cricket player refusing to take the knee while his black teammates do.

Hope you can see that.

Yes, point taken, I can see your perspective.

Also, the comments from black sportsmen in the UK reflect the feeling that little else is being done.

In particular, they may be spending 5 seconds taking the knee before the game, and then getting page after page of abuse after it on social media.

This is what black people mean when they talk about ‘empty gestures’.

My (far less important) feeling is that if it were a truly empty gesture it wouldn’t be riling so many people, for example Hungarian football fans.

Originally Posted by cyrille

My (far less important) feeling is that if it were a truly empty gesture it wouldn’t be riling so many people, for example Hungarian football fans.

Good point.

Oh, and Millwall fans.

Are they jeering because they’ve reflected on Das Kapital and reject it?

Nah.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Originally Posted by Samuel

Regarding the larger issue, the west has made a lot of progress to end racism.

Let the young players bend their knees and hope for a better world = cool.

Though, virtue-signaling should not be required, IMO.

The current west is the least racist society in history basically.

yes, agree: The younger generation activists used to focus on bigger issues like apertheid in south africa, the occupation of palestinian land, etc.

Now, it should be China's human rights abuses, in my opinion.

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It's funny when white people declare that racism isn't an issue.