Thread: Potential Efforts to Reboot Afghanistan

And I suppose they will stop all the opium growing etc, drugs being haram and all, although they'll probably find a passage that says they are now halal. I'm sure we will here shortly from Afghani women how wonderful the new islamic republic is.

Selected Afghan women.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Why do you continually confuse the arguments with facts Hatty?

Sorry, HC . . . I don't know what happened to me.

Taliban Weakness Exposed by Mosque Blast that Kills 50+

Scores of people were killed during Friday prayers when an explosion tore through a Shiite Muslim mosque in northern Afghanistan, just months after the country fell to the Taliban as U.S. troops pulled out.


A Taliban police officer told the Associated Press that at least 100 people were injured with the “majority of them” killed. Agence France-Presse reported at least 50 deaths based on hospital sources.


While no one has claimed responsibility as yet, Afghanistan’s Shiite Muslim minority have long come under attack from Sunni extremists, including Islamic State terrorists. ISIS-K, an Afghan offshoot of ISIS, has also been targeting the Taliban with bombings in eastern Afghanistan recently.


A former high ranking Afghan security officer whose job was to track ISIS-K and foil their attacks told The Daily Beast that the new Taliban regime does not have the same kind of intelligence network capable of monitoring the terrorists.


“ISIS-K was a major security challenge for the past government and it will be even more of a challenge for the new, weaker Taliban regime,” said the former official who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals.


“The previous intelligence team was working around the clock to cope with ISIS-K attacks and we minimized those attacks. The Taliban does not have the intel abilities to cope with brutal ISIS-K attacks, especially against the Shiite Afghan community. ISIS-K is getting stronger and larger with the return of the Taliban and we will see ISIS-K targeting the Taliban and Shia communities.”


The Gozar-e-Sayed Abad Mosque was targeted during the Friday noon prayer, typically the busiest time of the week. Footage circulating after the attack showed scattered bodies among prayer mats and blown out windows.


“This afternoon, an explosion took place in a mosque of our Shiite compatriots .. as a result of which a number of our compatriots were martyred and wounded,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said on Twitter.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/scores...istan?ref=home

“ISIS-K was a major security challenge for the past government and it will be even more of a challenge for the new, weaker Taliban regime,” said the former official who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals.

But on the other hand, if the talitubbies suspect a village contains one ISIS-K terrorist, they'll be happy to execute every one in it, and the likes of sabang and hoohoo won't say a fucking word against it.

Well, the US rate of effectiveness on 'precision' drone strikes was one enemy combatant killed for every nine innocent bystanders. Lets see how the Tali compare, when they eliminate these assholes.

Consider it done Ahmed!

Originally Posted by david44

Despite all that and continuing violence it must be farkin grim in Greenwich some of those living in free hotels wanna go home.
‘Send us home,’ beg Afghan refugees stuck in UK hotels



‘Send us home,’ beg Afghan refugees stuck in UK hotels | Refugees | The Guardian

A wish that can be granted . . . here in NZ many motels have been fully occupied by those in need of accommodation for years in some cases . . . and many complain that living on the streets or that the space is too cramped, it's not dignified . . . and that the government owes them decent housing.

Yea, it's not ideal but it's better than the alternative . . .

Fact check!Nothing happened you have always been that way.

It appears that NaGastan want's to engage with its defined human rights abusers.

Not content with their recent humiliation, are they are gagging for another?

U.S. delegation to meet Taliban in first high-level talks since pullout - officials

By Humeyra Pamuk

October 9, 20213:35 AM +07

"A U.S. delegation will meet with senior Taliban representatives in Doha on Saturday and Sunday in their first face-to-face meeting at a senior level since Washington pulled its troops from Afghanistan and the hardline group took over the country, two senior administration officials told Reuters.The high-level U.S. delegation will include officials from the State Department, USAID and the U.S. intelligence community, will press the Taliban to ensure continued safe passage for U.S. citizens and others out of Afghanistan and to release kidnapped U.S. citizen Mark Frerichs, the officials said.

Another top priority will be to hold the Taliban to its commitment that it will not allow Afghanistan to again become a hotbed for al Qaeda or other extremists while pressing the group to improve access for humanitarian aid as the country faces the prospect of a "really severe and probably impossible to prevent" economic contraction, U.S. officials said.

U.S. Special Representative Zalmay Khalilzad, who has for years spearheaded U.S. dialogue with the Taliban and been a key figure in peace talks with the group, will not be part of the delegation.

The U.S. team will include the State Department's Deputy Special Representative Tom West as well as top USAID humanitarian official Sarah Charles. On The Taliban side, cabinet officials will be attending, officials said.
"This meeting is a continuation of the pragmatic engagements with the Taliban that we've had ongoing on matters of vital national interest," said a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

"This meeting is not about granting recognition or conferring legitimacy. We remain clear that any legitimacy must be earned through the Taliban's own actions. They need to establish a sustained track record," the official said.

The United States' two decades-long occupation of Afghanistan culminated in a hastily organized airlift in August which saw more than 124,000 civilians including Americans, Afghans and others being evacuated as the Taliban took over. But thousands of other U.S.-allied Afghans at risk of Taliban persecution were left behind.

Washington and other Western countries are grappling with difficult choices as a severe humanitarian crisis looms large over Afghanistan. They are trying to formulate how to engage with the Taliban without granting it the legitimacy it seeks while ensuring humanitarian aid flows into the country.
Many Afghans have started selling their possessions to pay for ever-scarcer food.

The departure of U.S.-led forces and many international donors robbed the country of grants that financed 75% of public spending, according to the World Bank.

While there was an improvement for humanitarian actors get access to some areas that they haven't been in a decade, problems still persisted, the U.S. official said, adding that the U.S. delegation would press Taliban to improve.
"Right now, we are facing some real access issues....There are a lot of challenges in ensuring that female aid workers are provided unimpeded access to all areas," the official said and added that Washington needed to see an improvement by the Taliban on this front "if we are to contemplate even more robust humanitarian assistance."

PRESSURE ON WOMEN'S RIGHTS

While the Taliban has promised to be more inclusive than when it led the country from 1996 to 2001, the United States has repeatedly said it will judge the new Taliban government based on its deeds not its words.

The Taliban drew from its inner high echelons to fill top posts in Afghanistan's new provisional government announced last month, including an associate of the Islamist militant group's founder as premier and a wanted man on a U.S. terrorism list as interior minister. There were no outsiders and no women in the cabinet.

The European Union foreign policy chief said on Sunday its behavior up to now was "not very encouraging."

"We will certainly press the Taliban to respect the rights of all Afghans including women and girls and to form an inclusive government with broad support," the U.S. official said.

He added that there were discrepancies between the Taliban's promises of continued safe passage and implementation.

"As a practical matter, their implementation of their commitments have been uneven. It is true that sometimes we receive assurances from certain levels but then follow through on those assurances has truly been uneven," the official said.

The United States has directly facilitated the departure of 105 U.S. citizens and 95 lawful permanent residents out of Afghanistan since Aug. 31, when U.S. withdrawal was completed, State Department spokesperson Ned Price said on Thursday.

He declined to provide a precise figure for those remaining, but said the agency was in contact with "dozens of Americans in Afghanistan who wish to leave" but that the number was dynamic and constantly changing."

EXCLUSIVE U.S. delegation to meet Taliban in first high-level talks since pullout - officials | ReutersIronic accusations already of alleged broken commitments.

From a regime who has a substantial history of their own, strewn through its own short history.

Iran’s humanitarian aid arrives in Afghanistan's Kunduz

Oct 13, 2021, 10:15

"A plane carrying a large shipment of humanitarian aid from Islamic Republic of Iran, including medical, pharmaceutical and food items, along with an expert medical team of the country arrived in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province.

It should be noted that this is the six shipments of humanitarian aid of the Islamic Republic of Iran sent to neighboring Afghanistan."

Iran’s humanitarian aid arrives in Afghanistan's Kunduz - Mehr News Agency

Originally Posted by OhOh

Iran’s humanitarian aid arrives in Afghanistan's Kunduz

Oct 13, 2021, 10:15

"A plane carrying a large shipment of humanitarian aid from Islamic Republic of Iran, including medical, pharmaceutical and food items, along with an expert medical team of the country arrived in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province.

It should be noted that this is the six shipments of humanitarian aid of the Islamic Republic of Iran sent to neighboring Afghanistan."

Iran’s humanitarian aid arrives in Afghanistan's Kunduz - Mehr News Agency

Who knows, maybe a bit of sucking up to the talitubbies might work.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Reflections on Events in Afghanistan-27

October 13, 2021 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

27. Russia draws red lines for US

That's fucking hilarious.

"Can you please help us stop the nasty talitubbies oh great satan?".

"Sure, can we put some F35's in your airbases?".

"No comrade!"

"Well fuck off then".

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"Can you please help us stop the nasty talitubbies oh great satan?".

Where is that suggested by Russia, in the post?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Where is that suggested by Russia, in the post?

Read . . .

Taliban Could Lose Power Amid Governance Struggles, Experts Say


For the Taliban, winning was easy but governing is proving to be harder.


Two months after the terrorist group seized control of Afghanistan, fighters who have spent the past two decades as insurgents are struggling to govern the country’s 40 million residents, experts say. If the Taliban government fails to provide for citizens’ basic needs, including food, water and medical care, it too could find itself pushed out of power sooner rather than later, said Asfandyar Mir, a senior expert at the United States Institute of Peace.


“We might see another collapse over the next six months, maybe 12 months, a little bit down the road. The Taliban are really struggling to govern the country,” Mir said at the Soufan Center’s Global Security Forum in Doha. “It’s a real crisis that is brewing in that country, and I don’t see any international actor having much interest in extending a helping hand to the Taliban.”


When the Taliban was an insurgent group, they were able to pick and choose the government services they would to provide to supplement what the U.S.-backed government was doing, said Jason Campbell, a policy researcher at the RAND Corporation. For example, Taliban fighters and judges of sharia law would travel the country to set up “mobile courts” to settle conflicts such as land disputes.


That level of governance is “fine, until you take over the country,” Campbell said. “There is absolutely the risk of being the proverbial dog that caught the car, because now you don’t get to pick and choose where you provide services….They are ill-equipped from a financial standpoint and even a bureaucratic standpoint to manage and organize.”

Since international aid has stopped flowing into the country, only five percent of Afghan households have enough food to eat, according to a World Food Programme survey published last month. And it’s no longer just rural Afghans who are suffering. For the first time, rural and urban Afghans are facing similar levels of food insecurity, the New Humanitarian reported. The country’s economy and healthy system are also collapsing as the unemployment rate soars.


In addition to that, about 300,000 Afghan soldiers are out of a job and trained to use a weapon, making them prime candidates for an uprising, Mir said.


The Taliban “are realizing that 25 years later after not being in power, it is a very different landscape. If they want to remain in power and not revert to their insurgent roots, they have to figure out how to stabilize the economy, and get people employed,” said Javed Ali, an associate professor at the University of Michigan. “I think they have underestimated the scope of the challenge and now the world is watching to see how they’ll respond.”


If the Afghan people did rise up against the Taliban, the terrorist group would likely be able to use force to keep control of the country in a way the U.S.-supported government could not, Ali said. And even if Afghans overturned the former insurgent group, it’s not clear who would take their place.


“Right now, I don’t see another political or even fighting entity on the ground in Afghanistan that is organized and equipped enough to put an immediate threat to the Talibans’ current dominance,” Campbell said.


Some in the international community are trying to help avert a humanitarian crisis. In September, members of the United Nations pledged more than $1.2 billion in humanitarian aid, including $64 million from the United States. More recently, the European Union on Tuesday announced that it would send 1 billion Euro to support the Afghan people.


“We have been clear about our conditions for any engagement with the Afghan authorities, including on the respect of human rights. So far, the reports speak for themselves. But the Afghan people should not pay the price of the Taliban's actions,” European Union President Ursula von der Leyen said in a statement.


The United States and NATO allies, who have spent the past 20 years working in Afghanistan, are “the most well equipped” to offer help, because of their existing networks and contacts within the country that are critical to both delivering and distributing aid, Campbell said.


Mir agreed that the United States is the only country that can solve the crisis, but said that he sees “absolutely no appetite” within the Biden administration to intervene.


China and Russia were both initially more open to recognizing and partnering with the Taliban, but both are now being more cautious and not providing significant help, the experts said.


“Initially, I thought they would take more of a lead,” Mir said. The Chinese “have not seen the kind of action they expected from the Taliban after the Taliban assumed power. The Chinese have major terrorism concerns...The Taliban are not delivering on some of these concerns.”


For countries that do want to deliver aid, there’s many questions about how to support the people of Afghanistan without bolstering and legitimizing the Taliban, and whether the Taliban will even allow aid groups to operate safely and independently in the country, Campbell said.


“That remains the crux of the immediate issue and one of the factors senior Taliban leadership have to be considering pretty closely,” he said. “There’s a balance between the political ramifications [for the Taliban] of pushing away this aid versus their inability to independently provide for it without some significant amount of outside help.”

Taliban Could Lose Power Amid Governance Struggles, Experts Say - Defense One

Has the US foreign policy establishment expressed a view on this? By which I mean do they wish for the Taliban regime to fall, or to govern and restore order in Afghanistan.

One the bright side, if the talitubbies and ISIS are busy fighting each other, everyone else can take a break.

What fucking difference does it make you dumb shit?

It makes a huge fucking difference you subhmanoid oik.

Originally Posted by sabang

It makes a huge fucking difference you subhmanoid oik.

Yeah, perhaps you live in a cave.

Here's a newsflash for you, the US pulled out of Afghanistan.