Thread: The View, from China

The purpose of this thread is to present a Chinese perspective on things- but a 'reasonable' Chinese perspective. I'm about as interested in Chinese supremacists as I am in right wing bigots from the West.

Perhaps there are some who believe a Chinese (or Russian, or Iranian, etc etc) perspective should not be allowed, should not be read. To them, I can only quote Chomsky-


"If we don't believe in free expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."


"Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech."


China is poised to become the Worlds largest economy- like it or not. So I think it is both important and reasonable to at least give a reasonable airing of their perspective on things. You do not have to agree with it, obviously.

So, to kick off, following is a recent Editorial from Global Times. I doubt you will find the Chinese perspective in the New York Times.

What drives China-US game: Washington believes being poor is Chinese people’s fate



Former Australian prime minister Paul Keating recently said that China's "great problem" is that "it [China] is now a state as large as the United States, and with the potential of being much larger - an unforgivable sin for American triumphalists."

The former Australian head of state made such a statement when accusing the incumbent Australian government of wantonly leading Australia-China relations into a strategic dead end. He said that China was not forcibly incorporating countries into a "grand union" or exporting a universal ideology. Nor did China impose nuclear threats, said Keating. But he believed that, "China's rise is simply not in the American playbook - its very existence and at this scale is an affront to America's notion of itself as the exceptional state - the proselytizer of divine providence."

I have to say that Keating has a precise analysis of US' thinking. This also tells us that as long as China keeps its development momentum, the US will not "forgive" it whatsoever.

China is encountering strategic containment and suppression from the US at the current stage. I'd like to emphasize that no matter how it happened, it is the collective fate of the Chinese people. We must overcome it in a collective spirit.

Who pushed forward China's rise? Who provided the fundamental driving force of this trend? As far as I see, this is the dream of several generations with noble aspirations and the Communist Party of China united the Chinese people. The Chinese people as a whole eventually turned the dream into a historic trend.

In the past two or three decades, Chinese people became aware of their rights and their desire to pursue a better life was fully awakened. Almost all the Chinese people work hard to achieve these goals.

Now there are color TVs, refrigerators, and washing machines in almost every household in China. The country's GDP became the sixth largest in the world by 2000, surpassing Italy. Then the Chinese were able to afford private cars and houses with property rights. And in another decade, China's GDP surpassed Japan's to become the second largest economy in the world. Yet at that time, it was still far from the total GDP of the US.

The Chinese people then began to buy better cars, as well as improve the housing and environments of their neighborhoods, towns, and cities. Moreover, they started to strengthen ecological protection, develop tourism, gradually build a social welfare system, and digitize their life. As a result, China's GDP today is more than two-thirds of that of the US.

But are we, the Chinese, satisfied? Not at all. Modernization in our country needs to be refined continuously. The serious income disparity between regions and different groups needs to be replaced by common prosperity. Those who get rich first need to bring others along. The welfare system in China needs to be further improved so that the next generation must live better off than the previous one. Food needs to be safer. The difficulty of seeing a doctor needs to be fundamentally solved. Every citizen's retirement needs to be secured. Accidents during production should be further reduced. When we can take all these things up to another level, China's total GDP will surpass that of the US and become the world's No.1.

No one can stop the Chinese people from collectively pushing their country to become the world's top economy as history progresses. Even though the Chinese government certainly has not planned the timetable and roadmap to become the world's No.1, this is a "people's war." It will be as vast and mighty as a big river. It will be an unstoppable tide.

At a time when the traditional geopolitical mentality is far from receding, the Chinese have already started a national movement for common prosperity with speed and on a grand scale. Moreover, we have shown our strong ability to turn that pursuit into reality.

This is China's "unforgivable sin" to the US, as Keating put it. Yet China is simply bettering itself.

What can we do? Reason with the US and convince it to chill? Obviously, doing so is useless. The only way that can make the US "forgive" China is to stop developing. This means we will stay in the No.2 position forever. It means Chinese people will have to stop the effort to further improve their living standards. We are all deprived of the natural human rights to pursue a better life. Moreover, according to the law of social development, once we stop moving forward, chaos could emerge. If this were to happen, we could not maintain our current moderately prosperous way of life.

This is the nature of the China-US game. The truth is, even if China's GDP surpasses that of the US one day, our per capita wealth will be far less than that of the US, Europe and the entire Western world. But even so, Washington will not allow it. They believe that being poor is Chinese people's collective fate. The poverty in China is an indispensable prerequisite for the security of the US and the world.

That being said, playing the game and continuing this struggle has become the only choice for all Chinese people. As I often say, all Chinese are on the same boat in this struggle. We are not only responding to challenges for the future of our country, we are also fighting for the future for ourselves and our children. We must unite and use the powerful reality that will continue to form a force for the US to abandon its ambitions to crush China. This will force them to believe: Accepting the possibility that China, which has a population four times the US population, will exceed it in terms of total economic prowess. They must accept that coexisting with China peacefully will be their best choice.

What drives China-US game: Washington believes being poor is Chinese people’s fate - Global Times

The purpose of this thread is to present a Chinese perspective on things- but a 'reasonable' Chinese perspective

How do you get a "reasonable Chinese perspective" when everyone who has one is sent for a bit of "re-education"?

How do we get you to actually comment on the content of something, rather than trying to drag everything into the Doghouse?

The U.S. hasn't been the best superpower like when the neocons took power, etc.

Though, I'd rather the U.S. be the world's superpower any day — rather than China.


Just ask people in Hong Kong who were promised "one country two systems" whether they have a choice about what has become of Hong Kong which went from the top of the list of free economies to the bottom in a short period of time.


This is just one example.


Hope the West puts China in its place.


To start with — make it pay up trillions of dollars of damage to the world for allowing the wuhan virus to infect the world: blocking flights from Wuhan to around China, but allowing international flights and hiding that it transmitted "person to person" until a case showed up in Thailand.

It's all he looks for - a stupid slanging match.

Even on sports threads, ffs.

What drives China-US game: Washington believes being poor is Chinese people’s fate - Global Times

From the CCP propoganda dept mouthpiece ffs and it reads like propoganda.

^ And that, my friends, is The View, from China.

When does an Op-Ed become propaganda? Is an alternative or contrary opinion Propaganda (but if that opinion agrees with mine, it isn't)? Is it therefore taboo to be expressed? Then you do not believe in Free Speech- but I do. I can disagree with opinions, vociferously- but I do not disagree with the Right to express them. In fact, I wholeheartedly support it.

Originally Posted by sabang

How do we get you to actually comment on the content of something, rather than trying to drag everything into the Doghouse?

Usually, he would add much more, as we know him, this is his domain.

And he did not mention the new German Ambassador (54) who died suddenly within few days in China, no cause of death known. And just recently he was so helpful to Frau Merkel when she spoke with Joe (the Germans say "under 8 eyes talk") at her last visit in WH.

Originally Posted by sabang

When does an Op-Ed become propaganda? Is an alternative or contrary opinion Propaganda? Is it therefore taboo to be expressed? Then you do not believe in Free Speech- but I do. I can disagree with opinions, vociferously- but I do not disagree with the Right to express them.

go on then, sabang: debate the points i made above.

Originally Posted by Samuel

To start with — make it pay up trillions of dollars of damage to the world for allowing the wuhan virus to infect the world:

So how to force them when Joe ordered to investigate with 90 days, but all what they found was "inconclusive"...

Sabang is drunk again.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Sabang is drunk again.

Plagiarism!!! This comment you stole to your friend PH...

go on then, sabang: debate the points i made above.

I would rather debate 'The View, from China'. After all, that is the OP.

Sabang is drunk again.

No, he isn't. Not yet. But werkin' on it.



Still not one comment on the actual Editorial. We appear not to have much intellect left in TD, sadly.



Ok, so here is a question:-


Do you believe the Chinese people should be poor? Is it a threat for them to pursue modernisation, and improved living standards?

Originally Posted by sabang

I would rather debate 'The View, from China'. After all, that is the OP.

I was responding to this:

We must unite and use the powerful reality that will continue to form a force for the US to abandon its ambitions to crush China. This will force them to believe: Accepting the possibility that China, which has a population four times the US population, will exceed it in terms of total economic prowess.

I disagree with the op-ed and think the U.S./west should limit Chin's rise.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Samuel

The U.S. hasn't been the best superpower like when the neocons took power, etc.

Though, I'd rather the U.S. be the world's superpower any day — rather than China.


Just ask people in Hong Kong who were promised "one country two systems" whether they have a choice about what has become of Hong Kong which went from the top of the list of free economies to the bottom in a short period of time.


This is just one example.


Hope the West puts China in its place.


To start with — make it pay up trillions of dollars of damage to the world for allowing the wuhan virus to infect the world: blocking flights from Wuhan to around China, but allowing international flights and hiding that it transmitted "person to person" until a case showed up in Thailand.

Fuck off dummy

Go on then, BSnub, what do you disagree with in my post?

Don't be shy.

;-)

Originally Posted by sabang

How do we get you to actually comment on the content of something, rather than trying to drag everything into the Doghouse?

I quoted your post.

How the fuck is that not commenting on the content of something you imbecile?

Originally Posted by sabang

Do you believe the Chinese people should be poor? Is it a threat for them to pursue modernisation, and improved living standards?

Do you even understand what a Straw Man is?

FFS.

Originally Posted by sabang

When does an Op-Ed become propaganda?

When it comes directly from a state-funded or state-controlled organisation.

Which essentially covers most of the horseshit our resident chinky sycophants post.

Mods?? Up to you.

'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' is on commercial TV tonight, and appears to offer far better fodder than anything here right now. Sigh.

Originally Posted by sabang

Mods?? Up to you.

Mods, I have responded to sabang, but my posts haven't been posted.

Originally Posted by sabang

Mods?? Up to you.

'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' is on commercial TV tonight, and appears to offer far better fodder than anything here right now. Sigh.

Let me explain it to you Manuel.

You post a piss poor propaganda piece that's straight out of the chinky playbook.

Now you want us to debate it? As if America has ever said or done anything of the kind?

This is what is meant by a "Straw Man".

Wanting to stop the chinkies raping the South China Sea and stealing everyone else's territory is "trying to crush us"?

Oh fucking get real.

What's next?

A Pravda piece on "Why America wants to steal Crimea from Russia"?

Originally Posted by sabang

Mods?? Up to you.

'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' is on commercial TV tonight, and appears to offer far better fodder than anything here right now. Sigh.

If this thread ends up in the shitter it will be because it's shit.

Originally Posted by sabang

Do you believe the Chinese people should be poor? Is it a threat for them to pursue modernisation, and improved living standards?

Heck, no. I don’t think anyone thinks the Chinese people should be eternally poor. That is some bullshit from an editorial.