Thread: The View, from China

Sadly, yet again we have found trading with dictaorships does not bring more rights and freedoms to a countries citizens but just increases the military threat. We have seen from both China and Russia agreements are there to be broken. Neither can be trusted. The sooner we decouple from these two countries the better.
Due to short sighted search for bigger company profits, (See Apple etc) we have allowed companies to export jobs to cheaper countries. The average western citizen has been sold a pup that these lower paid jobs exported to the east would result in much better paid skilled jobs back home in the west. Globalism has not helped the average western citizen at all but has boasted the economies and standard of living of our enemies. I still remember being aghast at the USA giving MFN status to China. I said then that would come back to bite us on the ass and have seen no reason to change my mind. Unfortunately western governments and corporate greed are too often familiar bedfellows.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Sadly, yet again we have found trading with dictaorships does not bring more rights and freedoms to a countries citizens but just increases the military threat. We have seen from both China and Russia agreements are there to be broken. Neither can be trusted. The sooner we decouple from these two countries the better.
Due to short sighted search for bigger company profits, (See Apple etc) we have allowed companies to export jobs to cheaper countries. The average western citizen has been sold a pup that these lower paid jobs exported to the east would result in much better paid skilled jobs back home in the west. Globalism has not helped the average western citizen at all but has boasted the economies and standard of living of our enemies. I still remember being aghast at the USA giving MFN status to China. I said then that would come back to bite us on the ass and have seen no reason to change my mind. Unfortunately western governments and corporate greed are too often familiar bedfellows.

It was always inevitable that cushy Western employees on 40 hour weeks were going to get screwed by corporations in favour of countries with weak employment laws, piss poor wages, long hours and kids who will make sneakers for $1 a week.

I won't bother cross posting in "brave new world" because every knows what a fucking joke that thread is anyway.

An episode of The Simpsons that refers to the Tiananmen Square massacre is reported to be missing from Disney's streaming service in Hong Kong.

Customers noticed that episode 12 of season 16 is missing from Disney +, which launched in the city this month.

It comes as authorities in Hong Kong clamp down on the entertainment industry, banning films that violate a strict national security law.

Disney has not commented on the missing episode.

The episode, named "Goo Goo Gai Pan", sees the cartoon family visit China.

During their trip to Beijing, they visit Tiananmen Square where a sign reads: "On this site, in 1989, nothing happened" - a nod to censorship of the deadly crackdown on protesters there that year.

The demonstrators were calling for greater political freedom, and soldiers killed many unarmed civilians.

Nobody knows for sure how many were killed. In June 1989, the Chinese government said 200 civilians and several dozen security personnel had died. Other estimates have ranged from hundreds to many thousands.

The Simpsons: Tiananmen episode not found in Hong Kong - BBC News

Clearly, you know nothing about wage growth in China.

Originally Posted by sabang

Clearly, you know nothing about wage growth in China.

Clearly, even three letter words like "was" are beyond you.

If, with an IMF forecast 5.8% GDP growth for 2023, the "China Dream is crumbling", well then let us spare a thought of sympathy for our poor brethren in wretched places like the UK, and Germany.

Am I the only one who wonders if Covid is China's answer to an aging society? After all, a declining population is good for the environment, it's only the cost of social services for a top-heavy population pyramid that is really a problem.

Originally Posted by sabang

Clearly, you know nothing about wage growth in China.

Or....even less about China, generally speaking. Remove the forever cycle of indoctrinated myths, deep stereotypes, folk tales and BS - amounts to nothing.
Appears to be the running fashion amongst the fabricated haters.

Almost unreasoned and illogical.

Originally Posted by qwerty

Am I the only one who wonders if Covid is China's answer to an aging society? After all, a declining population is good for the environment, it's only the cost of social services for a top-heavy population pyramid that is really a problem.

Doesn't really explain why they left it so long and spent all that money trying to keep it bay, does it?

Lots of other countries bumped off their OAPs at the earliest opportunity.

Fortunately for them, taking care of the oldies is a big thing in Chinese culture, in fact you could say east Asian culture in general. In the Chinese case, that even includes your ancestors. If this is a genocide, I reckon it even makes the Uyghur 'genocide' look successful.

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Or....even less about China, generally speaking. Remove the forever cycle of indoctrinated myths, deep stereotypes, folk tales and BS - amounts to nothing.
Appears to be the running fashion amongst the fabricated haters.

Almost unreasoned and illogical.

Fuck off Jeff.

You're not even the chief chinky brown noser any more. In fact even HooHoo has lost his spot.

I wasn't aware it was a competition.

Originally Posted by sabang

I wasn't aware it was a competition.

Don't worry, with the amount of absolute bollocks you post, your top spot is safe.

If you guys were as happy as the Chinese are with their government, you might be Happier!

Originally Posted by sabang

If you guys were as happy as the Chinese are with their government, you might be Happier!

Of course they're "happy".

Not a good idea to be "unhappy" in chinkystan.

Originally Posted by sabang

If you guys were as happy as the Chinese are with their government, you might be Happier!

You really are a dumb, gullible clown.

You sure don't seem very happy- change your government!

Originally Posted by sabang

You sure don't seem very happy- change your government!

I am in tears of laughter, I can assure you. I will take Biden over Winnie the pooh any day.

Might not make the chinky press in such detail.

A Chinese Communist Party official accused of overseeing human rights abuses has cancelled a visit to the UK.


MPs urged the government to block Erkin Tuniyaz from travelling to London.


The senior figure is governor of China's north-western Xinjiang province.


In 2021, MPs approved a non-binding Commons motion which declared Uyghur Muslims and other minorities in Xinjiang were "suffering crimes against humanity and genocide".


A Foreign Office spokesperson said they understood Mr Tuniyaz had pulled out of the trip.


The government insists it did not invite him and that he would not have been granted an audience with a minister.


"The UK government will continue to use all opportunities to take action against China's unacceptable human rights abuses in Xinjiang," a Foreign Office spokesperson said in a statement.


China has been accused of systematic human rights abuses against the Muslim minority, where hundreds of thousands have been detained in camps.


The United Nations has accused China of "serious human rights violations" and possible crimes against humanity in Xinjiang.


Erkin Tuniyaz: Chinese official cancels controversial UK visit - BBC News

Seems the old chinkies can't get their lies straight.

China Daily claimed the "fabricated balloon lie cannot be tied down to China"

meanwhile

Foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning called it a "a clear overreaction" and "unacceptable and irresponsible".

"The airship does not belong to the US. It belongs to China," she said, when asked if China had requested for the balloon's remnants to be returned.

It might rate a mention, an afterthought. After all, Xinjing is booming and the Governor is Uyghur- why would he even bother visiting that ailing sock puppet, the UK? Continental Europe offers much more interesting opportunities for the BRI anyway, especially now they are killing their own manufacturing sector.

China has much bigger fish to fry:-

Welcome President Raisi. China, Iran no need to watch attitude of US, West: Global Times editorial

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1285396.shtml

The West has long believed that there is only one modernity, and that is Western modernity. The origins of this belief lie in the fact that modernization began in the West with Britain's Industrial Revolution and then spread to Europe and the United States. As late as 1900, the West enjoyed a virtual monopoly of modernization, the exception being Japan, the only non-Western country to industrialize in the 19th century. Japanese modernity was very distinct from Western modernity, and still is. But this did not stop the West believing that modernity was singular. When the developing world began to modernize after 1945, the West saw their modernization as synonymous with Westernization. When China embarked on the reform period after 1978, the West regarded it as the beginning of a process of Westernization.

The West viewed the world like an escalator: different countries were at different levels of the escalator according to their stage of development, but all were headed in the same direction, destined to become like the West, up there at the top of the escalator. Ultimately, modernization meant the Westernization of the entire world. We would all become like the West, especially like the US, the world's role model. The problem with this idea, which lies at the heart of Western modernization theory, is that it ignores history and culture. Every society is reduced to being, in essence, the same as Western society. It is patently obvious that societies are profoundly shaped by their distinctive histories and cultures, which in turn shape the nature of their modernization and the character of their modernity. There is not one modernity but many modernities.

If modernization overwhelmingly belonged to the West until the middle of the 20th century, since then it has increasingly belonged to the rest of the world, where the great majority of humanity live. China, India, Nigeria, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and countless others are emerging onto the global stage and bringing with them their histories, languages, cultures, customs, and traditions, which are very different to those of the West. Western universalism - the idea that all countries should and will be Western - is besieged by a world breaking free from the Western template, seeking to rediscover their own many histories and to forge new and different modernities and identities.

A monochromatic world dominated by the West is on the defensive in the face of a world of multiple subjects, each with their own story to tell and journey to make. We may live in difficult and fractured times, but the primary reason for this is that the old West-dominated world is on the defensive and in retreat, and a new world is in the process of being created. The difference between the mood in the West and that in many developing countries, most notably in Asia, is stark: Westerners are pessimistic about the future, Asians are optimistic. The developing world is dreaming about the future, Westerners hanker for the past.

The Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, and others believe they are increasingly shaping their own futures and those of the world. Modernization, in this context, must be seen as a dynamic and evolving phenomenon. In the early stages, it involves very heavy borrowing from the West or wherever. This was the case in China after 1978, but over time Chinese modernization has increasingly come to depend on its own efforts, primarily because of its economic progress, but also because of growing US hostility to China's rise. The balance has shifted steadily over time from learning and borrowing from the West to indigenous authorship, epitomised by firms like Tencent, Alibaba, BYD, ByteDance, and Huawei. Without doubt this process will continue and intensify. The capacity of the economy to move up the value-chain is fundamental to modernization. But it would be wrong to see modernization, or modernity, as synonymous with the economy. Certainly the economy lies at the core of the early stage of modernization, but that becomes progressively less true as modernization advances. Modernity is about the economy, technology, science, society, culture, sport, demography, gender relations, and countless other things.

China has arrived at a similar stage of development as the US in some areas. As a result, it is faced with an entirely new kind of challenge. What kind of modernity does it wish to construct? In what ways will it differ from American modernity? How will Chinese culture in the cyber era differ from that of the US? What should Chinese cities - and great conurbations like Xiong'an - offer? The US and China are both hugely and unacceptably unequal: what should a more equitable Chinese society look like and how might it be achieved? To what extent might Belt and Road offer a new kind of model for the international order? Ray Dalio, head of the world's largest hedge fund, believes that over the next 5-20 years, we will experience, consequent upon quantum computing and AI, the biggest shifts in power and wealth the world has ever seen. Can China rise to the challenge and offer a new, distinctive, and compelling model of modernity?

The author is a visiting professor at the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University and a senior fellow at the China Institute, Fudan University. Follow him on twitter @martjacques. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn

Chinese modernization free of Western template - Global Times

Originally Posted by sabang

It might rate a mention, an afterthought. After all, Xinjing is booming and the Governor is Uyghur- why would he even bother visiting that ailing sock puppet, the UK? Continental Europe offers much more interesting opportunities for the BRI anyway, especially now they are killing their own manufacturing sector.

China has much bigger fish to fry:-

Welcome President Raisi. China, Iran no need to watch attitude of US, West: Global Times editorial

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1285396.shtml

Bless, sabang thinks Iran is a "big fish".

I suppose when they are murdering and jailing their own citizens, there's a lot of affinity there.