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    It's a 'Thing' in much of the World, isn't it. The biggest estimated population decliners 2015- 2020 are actually in Europe:-

    Countries With Shrinking Populations

    Rank Country 2015-20 Population Growth (%)
    1 Lithuania -1.483
    2 Latvia -1.148
    3 Venezuela -1.125
    4 Bosnia and Herzegovina -0.886
    5 Bulgaria -0.711
    6 Romania -0.702
    7 Croatia -0.612
    8 Syrian Arab Republic -0.560
    9 Ukraine -0.536
    10 Greece -0.449
    11 Portugal -0.334
    12 Serbia -0.317
    13 Hungary -0.242
    14 Japan -0.237
    15 Andorra -0.192
    16 Moldova -0.181
    17 Georgia -0.175
    18 Poland -0.099
    19 Albania -0.088
    20 Italy -0.039

    Countries With Shrinking Populations - WorldAtlas


    Personally I'm quite glad we are no longer breeding ourselves out of existence.
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    I don't envy future generations.

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    Your faux nausea is nauseating. Unlike, say, the USA if the CPC decides that underpopulation rather than overpopulation is the issue, it will enact policies to counter it.

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    The US with it’s brand of capitalism has became a fractured society. Health care is unaffordable for the masses. The number living in poverty is at an all time high. The obscene wealth of the few, with generous tax breaks for their corporations is patently ridiculous. Mass shootings, a society that only looks to punish its offenders rather than rehabilitate.

    The money being spent by lobbyists, in short to bribe the “elected” politicians would be a crime in any free society.

    I could go on but it is apparent that the golden age of America is well and truly over.

    Xi Jimping is running on authoritarian populism - the uplift in the standard of living of the average person is world beating and and highly laudable.

    Perhaps the west should stop attacking China and reflect on why this has all come about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Xi Jimping is running on authoritarian populism
    Populism implies choice.


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    No it implies being popular, which he undoubtedly is.

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    You want Facts? OK. Here are some:-

    • 2022 was the first year in sixty years that China has reportedly experienced a population drop, of 0.06%. The population of many other countries (see table, previous page) has been dropping for several years.
    • The policies of the CPC in recent history have been aimed at reducing Chinas population growth, not increasing it. The 'one child' policy was finally abolished 1/1/2016. All restrictions were finally lifted 26/7/21. See- One-child policy - Wikipedia
    • The Chinese have benefitted from enormous increases in average income, standard of living, life expectancy, and infrastructural development in the 2000's. No other major economy comes close.
    • No doubt a related figure, the Chinese approval rate of their central government exceeds 90%- as evidenced from several sources, including a long term study by Harvard University.
    • An aging population demographic is shared by many, if not most middle class and affluent societies- it is caused by a combination of reducing reproduction rates, and increasing life expectancy.



    The faux hysteria is really quite laughable. So here is a common sense article:-



    Population Decline Hysteria & More Ponzi Demography


    PORTLAND, USA, Feb 1 2023 (IPS) - China’s announcement on 17 January 2023 that its population had declined for the first time in 60 years has fostered population decline hysteria and promoted more Ponzi demography in many parts of the world.

    Pro-population growth advocates, including many policy makers, traditional economists, business leaders, conservative writers and media commentators, are advancing the hysteria of demographic gloom and doom following the Chinese government’s announcement of a decline in the world’s largest population.
    China’s population decline was reported to be 850,000, which is the difference between 9.56 million births in 2022 against 10.41 million deaths. With China’s population at 1.4126 billion, the reported decrease of 850,000 amounts to 0.06 percent.

    Much of the media has described China’s population decline with various hysteria phrases, including



    and “ ” (Chart 1).




    The population decline hysteria has in turn facilitated the promotion of Ponzi demography, which calls for sustained robust rates of population growth. Ponzi demography is basically a pyramid scheme that generates more money, power and influence for some by adding on more and more people through natural increase and in some cases immigration.

    Its underlying strategy is relatively straightforward: privatize benefits and profits and socialize burdens and costs incurred from increased population growth. Ponzi demography, however, is clearly unsustainable. Populations cannot continue to grow indefinitely without having serious social, economic, environmental and climatic consequences.

    The unsustainability of Ponzi demography, however, doesn’t seem to be a concern of those calling for continuing, robust population growth with no endpoint in sight. The unsustainability and critical consequences of long-term population growth are typically ignored, dismissed or trivialized.

    Instead of getting caught up with population decline hysteria and Ponzi demography, it’s prudent, instructive and advisable to review the past growth of China’s population, examine its likely future growth, and consider some of the major challenges posed by those expected demographic changes.

    China’s population of 1.4126 billion people in 2022, which represents 18 percent of the world’s total, grew rapidly during the recent past. In 1950 the Chinese population was slightly more than a half a billion. China’s one billion population milestone was reached in 1981. By the close of the 20th century, China’s population had grown to approximately 1.3 billion by (Figure 1).



    China’s future population over the coming decades depends largely on the course of the country’s fertility rate. If its fertility rate of 1.18 births per woman were to remain constant at its current level, the Chinese population at midcentury is projected to decline to 1.28 billion, a decrease of about 10 percent.

    The often-cited United Nations medium variant population projection assumes China’s fertility rate will increase slightly over the coming several decades, reaching 1.39 births per woman by 2050. If that were to occur, China’s population in 2050 is again projected to decline, reaching 1.31 billion.

    Under the UN high variant population projection, China’s fertility rate is a half child higher than medium variant, i.e., 1.89 births per woman by 2050. The high variant projection results in China’s population in 2050 remaining essentially unchanged at its current size of 1.41 billion.

    Alternatively, fertility in the UN low variant population projection is a half child lower than the medium variant, i.e., 0.89 births per woman by 2050. The expected 2050 population of China in the low variant projection is 1.22 billion, a decrease of 15 percent from its current population.

    China is not alone in its low fertility rate. Approximately 100 countries worldwide have a fertility rate below the replacement level of 2.1 births per woman.
    Moreover, the fertility rates of some thirty countries in 2022 were less than 1.5 births per woman. Several of those countries had fertility rates that were roughly half or less than the replacement level, including China, Italy and South Korea, and consequently are confronting population decline (Figure 2).

    Source: United Nations.

    The low fertility rates of today, including China’s, are expected to increase somewhat in the coming decades. However, despite the desires, policies, and programs of governments to raise fertility levels, expectations of a return to replacement level fertility in the foreseeable future can be simply described as future fertility fantasies. Consequently, the current populations of some 50 countries, including China’s, are projected to be smaller by midcentury.

    Instead of getting caught up with population decline hysteria and Ponzi demography, it’s prudent, instructive and advisable to review the past growth of China’s population, examine its likely future growth, and consider some of the major challenges posed by those expected demographic changes

    In addition to population decline, China as well as many other low fertility countries are experiencing demographic ageing. The median age of China’s population is expected to continue rising during the 21st century. China’s median age increased from 18 years in 1970 to nearly 39 years today. By 2070 the median age of China’s population is expected to be 55 years, or three times the median age of the population in 1970.

    Besides its expected population decline, demography ageing presents a major challenge for China. The consequences of the demographic realities of older population age structures with declining numbers of young workers supporting growing numbers of the elderly are likely unavoidable.

    Consequently, careful rethinking, comprehensive evaluations and major adjustments, some likely to be unpopular with the public such as raising the official retirement age, will be needed.

    In addition to China, many countries with below replacement fertility are expected to face declining populations and older age structures over the coming decades. In contrast, many other countries, especially in Africa, with fertility levels of more than four births per woman are expected to have rapidly increasing populations and relatively young age structures throughout the century.

    The net result of these substantial country differences in future population growth rates is that the world’s current population of 8 billion is projected to continue increasing. Over the next forty years, the world’s population is expected to add another 2 billion people, reaching 10 billion around 2058.

    So, in conclusion, it’s time to stop fostering population decline hysteria with its doom and gloom and promoting Ponzi demography of unsustainable, continued robust population growth. It’s time to recognize, understand and analyze today’s demographics and their likely trends over the coming decades. And also importantly, it’s time for countries to prepare for the formidable challenges of their respective expected demographic realities in the 21st century.

    Joseph Chamie is a consulting demographer, a former director of the United Nations Population Division and author of numerous publications on population issues, including his recent book, “Population Levels, Trends, and Differentials”.



    https://www.ipsnews.net/2023/02/popu...zi-demography/


    These are the real problems:-
    Over the next forty years, the world’s population is expected to add another 2 billion people, reaching 10 billion around 2058.
    Global warming/ Climate change
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Unlike, say, the USA if the CPC decides that underpopulation rather than overpopulation is the issue, it will enact policies to counter it.
    Absolutely. The political system in China is such they can simply pass a law stating the number of kids required per family. A "Fuck or we fuck you" edict.

    Not quite so easy in the US.

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    Accompanied by Happy Ad's saying "Breed, for your Country. Be a Patriot". And accelerated progress within the CPC for patriotic breeders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
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    No it implies being popular, which he undoubtedly is.
    And presumably you worked this out because none of the Chinese media say otherwise.


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    Food for Thought-



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    Population stability, including a gradual decline, is actually quite important.

    Your support for, and belief ina multi polar world is quite divisive.

    The planet has finite resources and requires global stability, before dictatorial demands create an unstable and ever increasing desire for unsustainable growth. China seems to believe they can achieve this by directive, and the aqusition of increasingly scarce global resources!

    The truth is, anyone with an IQ above room temperature has no desire to bring more children into such an uncertain and divisive future.
    Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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    Ah yes, it must be paradise.




    Oh.


    Protests have erupted across the country as desperate workers resorted to more radical steps to claim missing wages. Hundreds of labourers clashed this month with local police in Chongqing after their employer, a Covid test kit maker, forced them to take unpaid leave.“We have tried every peaceful means to resolve the issue and it didn’t work,” said a worker at the Chongqing plant who joined the protest and asked not to be identified.

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    In solidarity with their UK brethren?

    They call Chonqing the City of Levels but this much smaller city, Yanjing in Yunnan province, is the 'narrowest city'.




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    China must exist in a vacuum sealed bubble, we can't compare it to any other country now, can we? Especially not western, heh I bet your/our governments would just love that. FAIL


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    Why are you so stupid, Sabang?

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    Thanks for the laugh monkeyboy. One for the whole forum to cherish. ��

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    Well considering that UK & Germany will have lower growth rates than Russia this year, while China will grow at 5.8%, no wonder you think it is a 'foul' to compare! FAIL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well considering that UK & Germany will have lower growth rates than Russia this year, while China will grow at 5.8%, no wonder you think it is a 'foul' to compare! FAIL
    You choose to believe the truth, only as published by closed societies? Remarkable.

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    Reverse Culture Shock

    ^ Is the IMF a closed society now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    The US with it’s brand of capitalism has became a fractured society. Health care is unaffordable for the masses. The number living in poverty is at an all time high. The obscene wealth of the few, with generous tax breaks for their corporations is patently ridiculous. Mass shootings, a society that only looks to punish its offenders rather than rehabilitate.

    The money being spent by lobbyists, in short to bribe the “elected” politicians would be a crime in any free society.

    I could go on but it is apparent that the golden age of America is well and truly over.

    Xi Jimping is running on authoritarian populism - the uplift in the standard of living of the average person is world beating and and highly laudable.

    Perhaps the west should stop attacking China and reflect on why this has all come about.

    Many are suggesting that the end is closer than not.
    All the while, the American culture continues to folly in it's delusions about itself.

    One of many types of videos making their rounds in the last 6 months.



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    Your inane and repetitive "whatabout your whataboutisms" are beyond foul- they are cringeworthy. Grow up.

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    Those that constantly refer to whataboutisms towards others are usually fearful in some fanciful manner or another.....twisted in obfuscation.
    Hiding.
    Cowering.

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    Good old Jeff, doing his wanketeer job like a star!

    As sabang would say, "You go girl!".


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