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    Mexico City's LA RAZON believes the government needs to give in: "Citizens know very well that other countries have learned to live with the virus. They want food instead of PCR tests, and they don't want to be locked up any longer. The fight against corona in the world has changed – now China has to change too.”

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    The London TIMES sees China's leadership facing a dilemma: "Either they bow to the protests and relax the crushing zero-Covid policy - perhaps with the help of Western mRNA vaccines - or they close the hatches, beat up the demonstrators and hope that the anger subsides. The hardliners among the Xi critics would interpret the former as a sign of weakness. The second option would rob him of his legitimacy in the eyes of the populace and add to the fundamental instability of his empire.”

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    ASAHI SHIMBUN from Japan makes serious allegations against Xi: “He also wanted to demonstrate the alleged superiority of the Chinese system based on the low number of corona deaths so far. Admitting mistakes is not part of his world. That is why Xi is now cracking down on the protests. If the communist leadership is actually concerned with the well-being of the citizens, it must move away from its zero-Covid strategy. In addition, it should stop using corona measures for its political propaganda,” demands ASAHI SHIMBUN from Tokyo.

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    EL PAIS from Madrid has little hope for the demonstrators: “The experiences with the repression of the Chinese regime and in particular the memory of the Tiananmen Square massacre 33 years ago make us fear the worst. It is hard to imagine that Xi would admit failure and thus give up the autocratic system's claim to supremacy.”

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    The NEUE ZÜRCHER ZEITUNG from Switzerland also takes a dim view of the demonstrators: “The outcry from the people will not shake the regime. Xi is continuously expanding the security apparatus. He will keep using it until the rebellious voices fall silent. The Communist Party has never shied away from using force to quell unrest.”

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    The Polish RZECZPOSPOLITA notes: "During the corona pandemic, we learned a lot about China, which is also present in every household through technical devices. By now we have a better understanding of what would happen if we allowed even more Chinese influence into our world and became even more dependent on a state that continued to follow the zero Covid policy and set many more rules on top of that: zero Opposition, zero pluralism, zero change, zero information - and zero consequences for the actions of the leadership," says the RZECZPOSPOLITA from Warsaw.

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    The last one is for Helge

    The Danish newspaper JYLLANDS-POSTEN from Arhus is also concerned about the western dependency on technology and energy from autocratic states and asks: "How much critical infrastructure do we want to risk before we finally wake up?"

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    Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian’s Regular Press Conference on November 29, 2022


    "AFP:

    UK’s Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said yesterday that China poses a systemic challenge to the UK values and interests. This was after a BBC journalist was arrested and beaten while covering protests in Shanghai. What is your response to the Prime Minister’s comment?


    Zhao Lijian:

    The remarks from the British side are a serious distortion of the facts and constitute grave interference in China’s internal affairs. We are firmly against this. Here are the facts that we have learned from the authorities in Shanghai.

    On the night of November 27, to maintain public order, local police in Shanghai asked people who had gathered at a crossroads to leave. One of those at the scene is a resident journalist from the BBC. Though the police made it clear to the journalist and others that they needed to leave, the journalist refused to go and in the entire time did not identify himself as a journalist. The police then took him away from the scene. After verifying his identity and informing him of pertinent laws and regulations, the police let him leave. Everything was conducted within legal procedures. This BBC journalist refused to cooperate with the police’s law enforcement efforts and then acted as if he were a victim.

    The BBC immediately twisted the story and massively propagated the narrative that its journalist had been “arrested” and “beaten” by police while he was working, simply to try to paint China as the guilty party. This deliberate distortion of truth is all too familiar as part of the BBC’s distasteful playbook.

    While having the right to report news in accordance with the law in China, foreign journalists need to consciously follow Chinese laws and regulations. When conducting reporting and interviews, journalists need to present their press credentials first, and not engage in activities incompatible with their capacity as journalists. This applies to all media organizations and is not about freedom of the press. Many foreign media organizations have presence in China. How come the BBC is always involved in troubles at the scene? This is a question that requires some serious thinking.

    I also have some questions for the UK.

    First, how does the British government handle domestic protesters?

    In 2020, the UK police arrested more than 150 people when Londoners took to the street to protest against COVID lockdown.

    In 2021, the UK police arrested more than 200 people in large-scale demonstrations triggered by the government’s public expenditure cuts. Publicly available videos show that UK police officers ruthlessly kicked and beat one unarmed protester and did not stop even when the protester was left exposed in little clothing and was crying and begging for mercy.

    Second, how does the British government treat journalists?

    You probably recall that a few years ago, a Chinese journalist was repeatedly hampered and even physically assaulted and eventually convicted by a British court, only because she had exercised her legitimate right as a journalist and raised a question to express her opinions at a fringe event of the Conservative Party’s conference.

    Graham Phillips, a UK journalist, became the first British citizen placed on the country’s sanctions list, only because he had created media content not to the liking of the west.

    Third, how does the BBC report China?

    From applying a gloomy filter to paint China in a negative light to distorted reports on Xinjiang and Hong Kong, many people still remember well the BBC’s disreputable history of smearing and attacking China.

    Since 2019, the BBC has been ignoring the Hong Kong rioters’ violent behavior and accusing Hong Kong police of brutality.

    On Xinjiang, based only on several non-photorealistic satellite images and reports written by anti-China elements, BBC journalists stationed in Beijing propagated “lies of the century” to slander Xinjiang.

    On the COVID pandemic, the BBC even used a counter-terrorism drill video as “proof” of China’s so-called violence in epidemic prevention.

    Why did the BBC always show up on those scenes? Is the job of BBC journalists to report news or fabricate news?

    The UK must respect facts, act prudently, and end its hypocritical practice of double standards. 

    Hubei Media Group:

    According to reports, former World Bank economist Mwangi Wajira said in an interview that the sustained growth of China’s economy has added dynamism to the world economy and that China stands on the right side of history. He also expressed confidence in the broad prospects of China’s high-quality development, which he said will bring more confidence and opportunities to global economic recovery. Do you have any comment?


    Zhao Lijian:

    Over the past decade or so, China’s economy grew at an average annual rate of 6.6 percent and contributed up to more than 30 percent on average to world economic growth. In 2021, China’s GDP accounted for 18.5 percent of the world’s total and its foreign trade hit $6.9 trillion. China remains the world’s second largest economy and largest trading nation.

    In the face of complex and challenging situation both at home and abroad, the fundamentals sustaining China’s steady and sound economic growth in the long run remain unchanged and China remains a source of driving force for global prosperity and development.  

    In his remarks at the 29th APEC Economic Leaders’ Meeting, President Xi Jinping noted that history has proven time and again that only openness, inclusiveness and win-win cooperation is the right way forward for humanity.

    China has always been an advocate and champion of an open world economy. We have advanced the high-quality Belt and Road cooperation, put forward the Global Development Initiative and ensured its effective implementation, forged closer economic bonds among countries, shared China’s development opportunities and contributed to the implementation of the United Nations 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.

    Openness is vital for development and progress. China will continue to advance a broader agenda of opening up across more areas and in greater depth, follow the path of Chinese modernization, put in place systems for a higher-standard open economy, and continue to be a driving force for global economic recovery and growth.
    "

    Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian’s Regular Press Conference on November 29, 2022
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    "...five weeks ago, more than two thousand delegates at the Communist Party Congress in Beijing proclaimed Xi dictator for life
    Not quite true, is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The last one is for Helge

    The Danish newspaper JYLLANDS-POSTEN from Arhus is also concerned about the western dependency on technology and energy from autocratic states and asks: "How much critical infrastructure do we want to risk before we finally wake up?"
    Thanks

    They have a point

    Now show me a western government, who has the balls to order their multinationals to move their production "home".


    Let's see who runs the show.

    Happy, Herman ?


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    The FDI figures speak for themself, and you might as well ignore selected politicians bullshit. With the spike in energy prices caused by the Ukraine war, and the fact that Europe has chosen to self immolate by buying expensive US LNG at four times the price they pay in the US, while cutting off cheap Russian LPG (which just goes to China and India instead), European FDI into China has grown very strongly over the past year. How strange that there, European companies are free to use cheap Russian LPG- but not in their home countries. Also BASF largest plant worldwide recently opened in China.

    Economically, China has been an obvious beneficiary of the war.

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    China vows crackdown on ‘hostile forces’ as public tests Xi

    China’s ruling Communist Party has vowed to “resolutely crack down on infiltration and sabotage activities by hostile forces,” following the largest street demonstrations in decades staged by citizens fed up with strict anti-virus restrictions.


    The statement from the Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission released late Tuesday comes amid a massive show of force by security services to deter a recurrence of the protests that broke out over the weekend in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and several other cities.


    While it did not directly address the protests, the statement serves as a reminder of the party’s determination to enforce its rule.


    Hundreds of SUVs, vans and armored vehicles with flashing lights were parked along city streets Wednesday while police and paramilitary forces conducted random ID checks and searched people’s mobile phones for photos, banned apps or other potential evidence that they had taken part in the demonstrations.


    The number of people who have been detained at the demonstrations and in follow-up police actions is not known.


    While reports and footage of the protests have flourished online before being scrubbed by government censors, they have been ignored entirely by the strictly controlled state media.


    Further diverting attention was Wednesday evening’s national news dominated by the death of former president and Communist Party leader Jiang Zemin at the age of 96.


    Jiang was installed as leader just ahead of the bloody suppression of the 1989 student-led pro-democracy movement centered on Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, and later presided over an era of breakneck economic growth during the 1990s and early 2000s while still maintaining rigid party control.


    The commission’s statement, issued after an expanded session Monday presided over by its head Chen Wenqing, a member of the party’s 24-member Politburo, said the meeting aimed to review the outcomes of October’s 20th party congress.


    At that event, Xi granted himself a third five-year term as secretary general, potentially making him China’s leader for life, while stacking key bodies with loyalists and eliminating opposing voices.


    “The meeting emphasized that political and legal organs must take effective measures to … resolutely safeguard national security and social stability,” the statement said.


    “We must resolutely crack down on infiltration and sabotage activities by hostile forces in accordance with the law, resolutely crack down on illegal and criminal acts that disrupt social order and effectively maintain overall social stability,” it said.


    Yet, less than a month after seemingly ensuring his political future and unrivaled dominance, Xi, who has signaled he favors regime stability above all, is facing his biggest public challenge yet.


    He and the party have yet to directly address the unrest, which spread to college campuses and the semi-autonomous southern city of Hong Kong, as well as sparking sympathy protests abroad.


    Most protesters focused their ire on the “zero-COVID” policy that has placed millions under lockdown and quarantine, limiting their access to food and medicine while ravaging the economy and severely restricting travel. Many mocked the government’s ever-changing line of reasoning, as well as claims that “hostile outside foreign forces” were stirring the wave of anger.


    Yet bolder voices called for greater freedom and democracy and for Xi, China’s most powerful leader in decades, as well as the party he leads, to step down — speech considered subversive and punishable with lengthy prison terms. Some held up blank pieces of white paper to demonstrate their lack of free speech rights.


    The weekend protests were sparked by anger over the deaths of at least 10 people in a fire on Nov. 24 in China’s far west that prompted angry questions online about whether firefighters or victims trying to escape were blocked by anti-virus controls.


    Authorities eased some controls and announced a new push to vaccinate vulnerable groups after the demonstrations, but maintained they would stick to the “zero-COVID” strategy.


    The party had already promised last month to reduce disruptions, but a spike in infections swiftly prompted party cadres under intense pressure to tighten controls in an effort to prevent outbreaks. The National Health Commission on Wednesday reported 37,612 cases detected over the previous 24 hours, while the death toll remained unchanged at 5,233.


    Beijing’s Tsinghua University, where students protested over the weekend, and other schools in the capital and the southern province of Guangdong sent students home in an apparent attempt to defuse tensions. Chinese leaders are wary of universities, which have been hotbeds of activism including the Tiananmen protests.


    Police appeared to be trying to keep their crackdown out of sight, possibly to avoid encouraging others by drawing attention to the scale of the protests. Videos and posts on Chinese social media about protests were deleted by the party’s vast online censorship apparatus.


    “Zero COVID” has helped keep case numbers lower than those of the United States and other major countries, but global health experts including the head of the World Health Organization increasingly say it is unsustainable. China dismissed the remarks as irresponsible.


    Beijing needs to make its approach “very targeted” to reduce economic disruption, the head of the International Monetary Fund told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday.


    Economists and health experts, however, warn that Beijing can’t relax controls that keep most travelers out of China until tens of millions of older people are vaccinated. They say that means “zero COVID” might not end for as much as another year.


    On Wednesday, U.S. Ambassador to China Nicholas Burns said restrictions were, among other things, making it impossible for U.S. diplomats to meet with American prisoners being held in China, as is mandated by international treaty. Because of a lack of commercial airline routes into the country, the embassy has to use monthly charter flights to move its personnel in and out.


    “COVID is really dominating every aspect of life” in China, he said in an online discussion with the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.


    On the protests, Burns said the embassy was observing their progress and the government’s response, but said, “We believe the Chinese people have a right to protest peacefully.”


    “They have a right to make their views known. They have a right to be heard. That’s a fundamental right around the world. It should be. And that right should not be hindered with, and it shouldn’t be interfered with,” he said.


    Burns also referenced instances of Chinese police harassing and detaining foreign reporters covering the protests.


    “We support freedom of the press as well as freedom of speech,” he said.


    Asked about foreign expressions of support for the protesters, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian defended China’s approach to handling COVID-19 and said other nations should mind their own business.


    “We hope they will first heed their own peoples’ voices and interests instead of pointing fingers at others,” Zhao told reporters at a daily briefing.

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    China’s ruling Communist Party has vowed to “resolutely crack down on infiltration and sabotage activities by hostile forces,” following the largest street demonstrations in decades staged by citizens fed up with strict anti-virus restrictions.
    Which is the typically stupid chinky way of saying "We will not tolerate anyone who says nasty things about Mr. Shithole".

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    Mao Tse Dung:

    ”A Single Spark Can Start a Prairie Fire”




    HtG:
    "China will burn soon or later"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Economically, China has been an obvious beneficiary of the war.
    How did you get to that conclusion? Did you figure that out all by yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    our world
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    zero information
    We are very lucky to have some members posting information in this excellent thread then.

    You should thank:


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    Excellent analysis as always...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    We are very lucky to have some members posting information in this excellent thread then.
    You are welcomed

    Ancillary costs rise significantly Russia raises prices for gas and electricity

    According to surveys, the salary of 43 percent of the Russian population will not last until the end of the month. Will this value increase soon? Out of turn, the Russian government is increasing the cost of gas, electricity, water and heat.

    The Russian authorities are fueling inflation significantly by raising state-regulated utility tariffs. According to media reports, gas prices rose by 8.5 percent at the turn of the month. Russians now have to pay 9 percent more for electricity. The water and heat supply will also become more expensive.

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    In the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic, after the pathogen had spread from Wuhan to other points in China and then to Italy, the rest of Europe and ultimately the entire world, the U.S. federal government’s chaotic response under then-President Donald Trump attracted global attention.

    As hospitals struggled under the strain of the pandemic’s initial wave and anxiety rose across the West, Chinese leaders saw an opening. Beijing would try to capitalize on the crisis, using it to portray China’s political system as superior to that of Western democracies and China—under the omniscient leadership of President Xi Jinping—as a magnanimous, competent superpower.

    Sure, the contagion had started in China, and it might not have spread if Chinese authorities had not sought to suppress crucial information about the initial outbreak. But the West’s difficulties looked like a propaganda godsend for Beijing. Now, however, as China’s COVID-19 response has triggered some of the biggest protests the country has seen in decades, it looks like the regime’s effort to capitalize on the pandemic has backfired spectacularly.


    Back in 2020, China confidently launched a high-profile campaign of coronavirus diplomacy,
    dispatching planeloads of medical aid to besieged countries, not only in the developing world, but also in Europe. The deliveries were accompanied by television cameras, to make sure that China’s self-assured generosity was documented and broadcast to the world. It was a message intended for two audiences, one at home and the other abroad, reinforcing Beijing’s argument that the Chinese people were lucky to have Xi’s leadership, and the rest of the world should view China’s model as superior.


    In case the symbolism was not clear enough, state-controlled media was more direct. The Global Times, an English-language tabloid published by the Communist Party’s mouthpiece, the People’s Daily,
    headlined one editorial, “US seeks selfish gains as China goes all out to curtail the coronavirus spread.” The piece concluded, “US system is not nearly as efficient as the Chinese.”


    But the story was far from over. As the months and years passed, Xi, who had taken control over and credit for the country’s “zero COVID” strategy, was piloting a pandemic response
    stuck in first gear—city-wide lockdowns, mass contact tracing and mandatory quarantines—even as the rest of the world gradually moved to normalcy.


    After nearly three years of
    draconian lockdowns, the Chinese people are losing patience with Xi’s zero-COVID approach. Now that Xi has emerged as the most powerful Chinese leader since Mao, having been reappointed as general secretary of the CCP for an unprecedented third term in October, his aides may find it difficult to challenge the orthodoxy of a man increasingly portrayed as infallible. But the public has had enough.


    The spark that ignited last weekend’s unrest was
    an apartment fire in Urumqi, capital of the Muslim-majority Xinjiang province. It took firefighters three hours to put out the flames. By then at least 10 people had died. Many people thought COVID-19 restrictions made it more difficult for the firefighters to get close to the building and for residents to escape.

    Authorities denied the connection, but the claims resonated. Before long, people across China started holding vigils—one of them pointedly gathering on Urumqi Street in Shanghai—calling for an end to the stringent pandemic restrictions. It didn’t help that television coverage of the World Cup in Qatar showed huge crowds of unmasked fans in the stands. When social media users commented angrily about the contrast with China, censors rushed to control what people saw on their screens.
    The protests spread across the country, and their focus gradually expanded to a dangerous topic. In addition to calling for an end to the zero-COVID policy, some demonstrators started calling, essentially, for regime change. “We don’t want a dictatorship,” they chanted. “We want democracy. We don’t want a leader. We want voting. We stand with the people of Xinjiang.” Notably, they added, “We stand with the women of Iran,” referencing the anti-regime protests currently roiling the Islamic Republic.

    Protesters called on Xi to step down and on the Communist Party to give up power. Amid calls for “Freedom,”
    some chanted, “We don’t want an emperor.” Many held up blank pieces of paper, symbolizing their inability to express their views in a repressive country.


    It amounted to the most visible challenge to Xi since he took power in 2013 and the most dramatic display of anti-government fervor since the 1989 democracy protests at Tiananmen Square.


    Beijing’s COVID propaganda campaign from just under three years ago now
    looks like an antiquated relic, replaced by the searing images of thousands of people risking their lives to demand freedom in a dictatorship.


    Few expect that the “
    white paper protests” will topple the regime, but suddenly, Xi no longer looks infallible. After years of the CCP building a personality cult around him, even inscribing “Xi Jinping thought” into the constitution, it became clear that the Chinese people are not all thrilled with his rule.


    Zero Covid has failed for many reasons. One of them is that Beijing—which, like Moscow, rushed to produce a vaccine and also use it for
    propaganda purposes—refuses to import the mRNA vaccines developed in the West, which would amount to publicly acknowledging that its own is not as effective as them. As a result, the Chinese population is condemned to inferior protection—and that’s only those who do choose to get vaccinated.


    Rejecting foreign vaccines is part of Xi’s effort to promote Chinese nationalism. And that nationalist emphasis has also included promoting traditional Chinese medicine. The focus on traditional practices has led many to decline to get vaccinated and instead resort to other methods. As a result, China not only has a poor vaccine. It also has a very low vaccination rate.

    To contain the threat represented by the protests, the regime will resort to a combination of increased repression and loosened COVID-19 restrictions, but the latter won’t be easy given the country’s low immunity levels.

    In the meantime, China’s most impressive accomplishment over the past few decades—its spectacular rate of economic growth—is faltering badly because of the lengthy and strict pandemic lockdowns. If mass protests don’t persuade Xi that he needs to reconsider his approach to COVID-19, sputtering economic growth could send an even more powerful message.

    The rest of the world is no longer focusing on the pandemic to the exclusion of almost everything else. These days, many are instead watching China, to see how the country where COVID-19 began, the one that liked to claim it had the superior response to the pandemic, manages this self-inflicted crisis.

    https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/protests-china-covid-xi-jinping-proganda/?share=email&messages%5B0%5D=one-time-read-success
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    The end of China. Xi getting overthrown.
    The end of Russia. Putin getting overthrown.
    I sense a common theme here.
    No mention of their popularity rating compared to old joe though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The end of China. Xi getting overthrown.
    The end of Russia. Putin getting overthrown.
    I sense a common theme here.
    No mention of their popularity rating compared to old joe though.
    You should be denied the use of the word sense in any of your posts. History has proven that you don’t have any.

    Armchair generals need their sleep too. Just in case your fun spoiled.

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    Can I have a bag of whatever it is you're on? Or alternatively, buy (or steal) some English translation software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Can I have a bag of whatever it is you're on? Or alternatively, buy (or steal) some English translation software.
    Hahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Can I have a bag of whatever it is you're on? Or alternatively, buy (or steal) some English translation software.
    That would improve your posts no end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You should be denied the use of the word sense in any of your posts. History has proven that you don’t have any.
    Many people have pointed that out to him on here. He is too stupid to pick up on it.

    It's the Dunning-Kruger. It is strong in him.

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