Thread: The View, from China

Originally Posted by sabang

It makes one wonder why you are less happy with your own governments.

You are far from stupid, so stop being so disingenuous.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

You are far from stupid, so stop being so disingenuous.

Eh? He's a bit of a thicko.

(Easier to use pictures for Post articles these days)

Hong Kong football fans boo Chinese anthem

Jerry Grey

China has been, variously described as a rising power, a sleeping dragon and a collapsing economy. Most of the rhetoric is driven from the US. Inside their government, both the Senate and Congress have anti-China hawks, their State Department seems to see a threat at every turning point and their military seems to believe that a defensive People’s liberation Army is a bad thing as it threatens US interests. Books reports and documentaries are created about mass dissatisfaction which extended academic research seems unable to identify.

In short, “experts” think it’s about to collapse, people in power think it’s a huge threat but academics who study China understand China’s rise is peaceful and solidly based.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things to criticise the US about. They even provide statistics to help us. Many in the US see this as one of their best features; they say they’re open about their problems and can accept criticism.

It’s certainly not true that the US accepts criticism. In a country that claims it values freedom of speech, they simply suppress it, this was evidenced by the a few days ago on Josh Rogan’s show. He clearly stated Facebook have the ability to suppress or block information; on that occasion, it was because the FBI asked them to.

Americans can openly criticise, which is good and even insult their leaders which Chinese see as bad, they can vote but nothing an individual does will make a change.
In the 1950s and 60s the “American dream” was a dream worth pursuing but, during the latter half of last century things started changing. Imagine for a moment if the 1950’s and 60’s incredible infrastructure and growth had continued. What the USA was doing then is what China does now, invests in the health and wealth of its nation so that its people benefit and expanding investments overseas for mutual benefit.

In the last few years particularly, there have been some sinister and dark changes. When you search online with the right questions and do a little digging, it’s easy, and terrifying, to find how deep and how bad the rot is.

A recent article in called GDToday, called “The Dark Side of the Beacon” relates to Human Trafficking abuses and whiles the US prides itself on being a “beacon of democracy” and a “protector of human rights,” the GDToday article points out, it’s downright dark. Especially for the victims.

Every year the number of human trafficking cases increases. This is a multi-billion-dollar global crime business, according to the United Nations, it’s worth about $150 billion annually. And, in the US, thanks to their transparency, we know it affects tens of thousands of people, from as young as 1-year-old.


When we look deeper the Human Rights issues in the US are so starkly different from the perception it portrays as a “beacon”. Frighteningly different. Here’s what we can find if we take the time to search.

They speak badly of China’s police as authoritarian, yet Chinese police officers don’t kill people: in the last 5 years only 2 people on the mainland have been shot by police, one in 2019 and one in 2018 and both were using vehicles intent on killing or injuring others. In the first 7 months of this year alone the number in the USA was 631 and 40% of them were Black Americans. In five years, the number is over 5,000 and, sadly, increases every year.

They accuse China’s government of being authoritarian when the USA, with 4% of the world’s population holds over 20% of the entire world’s prison population. The USA has 655 people per 100,000 incarcerated, compared to China’s 121/100K.

The number of Black prisoners in the US prison system at 1240 per hundred thousand is 5 times greater than the proportion of whites. In every US state and in every category, whites are imprisoned less than Black and Hispanic/Latino Americans.

They accuse China of Intellectual Property theft when their own science is years behind. At the same time, their FBI advises that US IP theft is not just growing but already massive, requiring the formation of a Property Rights Coordination Centre in the USA

They allege China won’t share space technology and science when they have legislated to stop NASA sharing with China.

They accuse China of propaganda while they budget 300 million dollars a year for negative media reports on China and have proposed a further half billion a year.

They speak of corporate crime in China while it was the USA which almost brought the world to its knees, and created global financial crises through corporate crime which, for the most part, remain unpunished. And closer inspections reveal US corporations are directly responsible for all, not just some, of the worst corporate crimes in human history.

They claim to support a free market economy while they sanction over twenty countries, hundreds of companies and thousands of individuals.

They talk of “inhumane lockdowns” in China, where people are regularly delivered free food, free Covid testing and free hospital care if tested Covid positive. More than a million of their own population have died, compared to less than 6,000 in China and 70 million Americans face an uncertain future due to long Covid complications.

They praise this medical system but charge so much that over 530,000 people declare bankruptcy every year because of the costs

They speak of themselves as being the land of the free point to spurious allegations of human rights abuses while locking up thousands of families and separating children from their mothers on their borders. They can arrest and imprison suspects without trial, rendition them to “black sites” where they are able to use torture techniques which are legalised but renamed “enhanced interrogation”.

They accuse China of military proliferation when only one Chinese military site exists overseas and it is used in cooperation with US troops in the same region, Djibouti. While at the same having over 750 bases and 200,000 troops stationed overseas.

They allege China is militarising the South China sea when they have an American “self-defense force” including two of their own, and two other aircraft carriers as well as about 70 other ships sailing off or near the coast of China.

Their military, with the exception of the National Guard can’t operate inside USA due to the Posse Comitatus Act but, when they do, it’s to defend the government against the people. While Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) enjoys massive public support because of the help they provide in times of disaster or other need.

US accuses China of using forced labour, a claim which remains unproven while using their own incarcerated prisoners as almost unpaid and involuntary employees in a legalised (under their constitution) system of slavery.

They speak of freedom of speech whilst locking up lawyers for finding guilt in their oil executives and journalists for reporting international crimes committed by their military. Crimes which the International Criminal Courts can’t investigate or prosecute because they’ll be sanctioned, or even invaded if they do.

They boast of their liberty and freedoms but have shot and wounded over 115,000 and over 45,000 people died last year alone from their private guns.

They have the world’s best universities but American people can’t afford to study, or, when they do, they incur a lifetime of high interest debt which they can never default, even through legal bankruptcy.

They claim to be the world’s police but have a murder rate of 7/100K; with some cities (new Orleans) as high as 35/100K and Detroit with more than 65 per one hundred thousand compared to China’s 0.5/100K.

They claim to bring peace and democracy in a War on Terror but, over 20 years, killed 929,000 people and created 38 million refugees.

40% of US citizens don’t have enough food but they spend billions on their own military and gift many more billions to Israel and several other countries.

They spend billions on drug enforcement every year while the number of drug addictions and drug related deaths increase; last year over 100,000 people died of drug overdoses and there are 39 million known illegal drug users, more than 10%.

They are the richest country in the world with a per capita GDP that is 436% of the world’s average but a poverty rate of 11.4% and over half a million people living on the street.

1% of the country’s richest people hold 15 times more wealth than the bottom 50% and 10% of them own 90% of all the stocks as well as 70% of all the money

They claim to be a country of equality but white Americans hold 85% of the wealth while black Americans hold just 4.1%. The rest is shared amongst Native Americans, Asian and Hispanic Americans.

Their 20 year war on terror has killed several major leaders such as, Gaddafi, Hussein and Bin Laden and yet there is strong evidence that all three of these dead enemies were once allies of, or created by, their own intelligence community.

In other words; America is not declining, it has declined! Recovery of social and physical infrastructure, without great leadership seems unlikely. The only questions that remain are: how much further can it fall, and when will people start noticing?


https://jerry-grey2002.medium.com/wh...a-b6a421f4cd32

More snivelling chinky sycophant drivel. Our resident snivelling chinky sycophant laps it up.

When Jerry Grey, a British-Australian living in Guangdong, China, went on a cycling holiday to Xinjiang in the late summer of 2019, he was blown away by the region’s spectacular scenery and architecture. A particular highlight of his trip was visiting Turpan, the ancient oasis city in the east of the region, where he admired an 18th-century mosque with the tallest minaret in China.
Grey, 62, who visited Xinjiang as a tourist, said he couldn’t find any traces of the sprawling concentration camps he had read about in the press. “I never saw one,” he said. “That doesn’t mean they aren’t there. It’s a huge place, but we did cycle down some very, very long stretches of open road.”
Grey, who is a former London Metropolitan police officer, admitted that he found Xinjiang’s surveillance network and continual police checks oppressive. “It was a pain in the butt,” he said. “But at no stage were they ever abusive.”
I asked him if he would willingly live under a draconian regime of surveillance and arbitrary detention like the one that operates in Xinjiang, controlling the region’s Muslim population under the guise of combating terrorism.
“Would I like it? Course not. I wouldn’t like it at all,” he said. “But would I move? Probably not. If they said to me, ‘You can’t use a VPN and you can’t use your Twitter account,’ and things like that, then I might consider it. Because my lifeline to the outside world is through the internet.”
Despite Grey’s acknowledgement of heavy surveillance in Xinjiang, he has devoted the past five months denying the existence of detention camps in the region, citing his bike ride as evidence.

He lives there. You don't. He has been to, and bicycled through Xinjiang. You haven't. He was an ex- London bobby. You weren't. He was in London during the Troubles. You were not. He was in fact one of the first uniformed Police officers on site after the Hyde Park bombing. It left him traumatised. What experience have you had of Terrorism?

When a large % of your citizens are farmers or rural employees of some description, it's good to see them happy.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

A Chinese Government, Global Times article

Have you not caught on to the fact that the Three Stooges only post up propaganda and lies?

Coming from an excitable child who does not know the difference between propaganda, lies, Opinion, News, analysis and fact- save your breath.

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For people who live in China or have been to Xinjiang, have you witnessed any "crime against humanity" or "genocide" (as the West calls it) against ethnic minorities?



I live in China. I am an American with a background in the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence). I have been here for over twenty years. So I know a few things.

• China does not resemble the anti-China narrative. Not even remotely.
• The Anti-China narrative regarding “genocide” is an effort to interrupt the BRI in XinJiang.
• The real truth about China, about America, and about Geopolitics is kept hidden from the people in the West.

So, you asked this question, and I am going to give you the straight answer.

I travel to XinJiang and speak with members of Uighur population on a regular basis. Actually most are very angry about the anti-China, and anti-Uighur stance that is mandatory in the “woke” societies of the West. It’s a fiction. It’s a lie.

I have NEVER seen any of these accusations, met anyone who has, and tangentially been involved with anyone with a passing or fleeting association with any kind of genocide.

The narrative is a big LIE.

But, you know, people want to believe what makes them feel good, and the idea that China is bad is an attractive one for the millions of dumbed down Americans.

There is a REASON why all the nations in the Middle East, and in the Muslim-majority nations side with China against the West. That is the question that you all should be asking. Why are they doing so? Why, when their ACTIONS don’t resemble the WORDS spoken though the American propaganda mills?





For people who live in China or have been to Xinjiang, have you witnessed any 'crime against humanity' or 'genocide' (as the West calls it) against ethnic minorities? - Quora

Originally Posted by sabang

He lives there. You don't. He has been to, and bicycled through Xinjiang. You haven't. He was an ex- London bobby. You weren't. He was in London during the Troubles. You were not. He was in fact one of the first uniformed Police officers on site after the Hyde Park bombing. It left him traumatised. What experience have you had of Terrorism?

He's a snivelling chinky brown noser like you.

I'm not.

You're such a gullible fucking twat.

Zha and Grey are part of a group of bloggers, YouTubers and social media personalities – backed by legions of automated accounts – who seek to play down Uyghur oppression in Xinjiang. They see reports of Uyghur human rights abuses as attempts to attack Beijing, and believe that Western coverage of the Xinjiang crisis forms part of a state-funded offensive against China.
Though the accounts of Zha and Grey are run by real people, there are hundreds of accounts within their network which appear to be inauthentic. These coordinated accounts, seen by Coda Story, all spout Chinese propaganda content claiming Xinjiang is happy and thriving. Some claim to be run by Uyghurs. If they were authentic Xinjiang Twitter accounts, their users would require a VPN to access them – a practice that can mean instant arrest in the region.

Do you know why you resent and 'hate' China so much, and swallow any bullshit narrative against them 'arry? It is obvious to everyone else I would think. It is because they are beating you and yours, hands down. The old green eyed monster- jealousy and resentment. Enjoy. I kinda do, considering you have never even set foot there.

Originally Posted by sabang

It is obvious to everyone else I would think.

Everyone else? You are out of your mind. Obvious to the other Three Stooges maybe, but no one else.

Originally Posted by sabang

Coming from an excitable child who does not know the difference between propaganda, lies, Opinion, News, analysis and fact

You really are an epic level moron. It is beyond ironic and massively hypocritical of you to attempt to take the high ground when you are the biggest poster of lies, falsehoods and propaganda on this forum after Ohdoh. You constantly attempt to pass off propaganda as factual news and are constantly exposed as the fraud you are.

Somewhere, an irony meter is exploding.

It makes me laugh when sabang says we are jealous and resentful over China. I hope he says it as a joke.

'arry certainly is. Then again 'arry sees threats everywhere. Strange, hostile world he seems to inhabit, at least in his own mind. But as for 'beating us hands down', well consider this quick, back of an envelope sketch-

1. GDP growth
2. Average income growth
3. Growth in % of world trade
4. Approval of one's own government
5. Infrastructural development
6. Growth in Diplomatic clout
7. Peaceful expansion, vs. Warmongering
8. Technological development
9. Domestic crime/ murder rate

Yes, in the current century I think there is a strong case to be made that they are beating us hands down.

Originally Posted by sabang

Coming from an excitable child who does not know the difference between propaganda, lies, Opinion, News, analysis and fact.

Well you've described your posts with a breath of fresh honesty there.

Originally Posted by sabang

Do you know why you resent and 'hate' China so much

Because it's a totalitarian state run by a megalomaniac who is so fucking frightened of any criticism that he banned people posting pictures of Winnie the Pooh FFS.

You pathetic imbecile.

That turned out to be fake actually, and there is a Winnie the Pooh shop at Shanghai (world's largest) Disneyland. You should go there sometime!
But I think Uncle Xi should really take tea with Paddington Bear, they have more in common.

Originally Posted by sabang

That turned out to be fake actually, and there is a Winnie the Pooh shop at Shanghai (world's largest) Disneyland. You should go there sometime!
But I think Uncle Xi should really take tea with Paddington Bear, they have more in common.

Ah yeah, OK, right then.

The average person in China is now richer than their European counterparts after turbocharged economic growth in the country.

The average person in China is now richer than their European counterparts after stratospheric economic growth in the nation.

An adult in China on average has a net worth of US$26,752 (AU$40,980), while the average person in Europe is worth US$26,690 (AU$40,885).

The figures for Europe take into account the whole continent, including nations considered poorer in the south and east.

People in China on average are worth four times more than people in Russia, where the median wealth was US$6379 in 2021.

The average wealth of people in China has grown faster than anywhere else on Earth, rising eight-fold in the past 20 years, from US$3111 in 2000 to US26,690 in 2021.

China’s nominal GDP is an estimated to be between $14 trillion and $19 trillion — second only behind the United States

But people in China are still lagging way behind their American and Australian counterparts — on average.

Australians, meanwhile, are the richest people in the world, thanks in large part to huge rises in house prices and forced savings through superannuation.

FULL- Chinese are now richer than Europeans as Australians named richest in the world | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

That's it, change the subject as quick as you can!

Hilarious ��! The average Chinese person is now richer than the average European, and lives longer than the average American- so let's debate whether winnie the pooh was banned (he wasn't). Precious.