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    How many countries from ASEAN have fallen foul of the chinkies?

    Cambodia, Myanmar and Laos, obviously.

    Vietnam, Malaysia and the Phils are all trying to kick the parasitic bastards off their territory.

    Probably Brunei is the only one that has the wealth to keep the chinkies begging.

    Thailand is on the precipice of burying itself in "Belt and Owed".

    ASEAN is a bit of a joke really.
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    In several ways, I think Asean is a bit of a joke. But the growth in trade between Asean and China speaks volumes- it way exceeds, for example, the growth in trade between ANZ & Asean. The retreat of the Anglos into nostalgic, self pitying Aukus will only reinforce these trends. You'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You'll see.
    That sounds like something a Scooby Doo villain would say.

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    He'd have got away with it if it weren't for you, perishing kid.

    But yeah, bravo.

    Skint communists open up to capitalism and make massive money for a while because young people are ready to work themselves to exhaustion (for peanuts) to improve their dire situation.

    And in every other sense, which you carefully avoid enumerating, yes...ASEAN is a joke.

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    They certainly ain't so skint these days, are they?


    I enjoyed the most recent episode of China Tonight, a weekly30 minute ABC (Australia) program- but I usually do. "Sporting aspirations [m'ehh] and Underground music [y'ehh]". Unfortunately, I don't know if you can get it wherever you may be. Who knew, for example, that Wuhan is pretty seminal in Chinas blossoming indy music scene. Chinese punk! Heavy metal!

    The Rise of China : ABC iview

    China Tonight : ABC iview (The episode)

    No idea why Australia's publicly owned ABC makes it so difficult for foreigners to access. Good luck, anyway.


    Edit- Gottit- you should really check out this guy, Kaiser Kuo. 12 min chat with Stan Grant, ABC-



    Any bloke who fronted an AC/DC tribute band in Beijing, was a founding member of Tang Dynasty- probably the first Chinese metal band, and went on to become an advertising guru can't be all bad. Now lives in Nth Carolina and does a Podcast "Sinica". I'll check it out, but it's bedtime for sab.

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    I'm comparing the growth in trade in percentage terms, wasn't that obvious? And it speaks volumes. But if you want to compare in simple, Absolute growth in trade terms, the difference is even starker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm comparing the growth in trade in percentage terms, wasn't that obvious? And it speaks volumes.
    All it speaks is that you continue to promote this absurd notion that everyone should kiss chinky arse because they've got money.

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    Thank you for your educated analysis of the historic growth in two way trade between Asean & China, and Asean & ANZ.

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    ^OK, two outings now for what you and only you think is a masterful put down.

    That'll do.


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    Having a bad day syb?

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    You are absolutely no economist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You are absolutely no economist.
    Meanwhile, you are still a dedicated, snivelling chinky sycophant.

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    The advances made by China in agriculture are little short of astonishing. But that deserves it's own thread- stay tuned. I think a treble digit IQ might help with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The advances made by China in agriculture are little short of astonishing.
    Tell that to the Lao villagers who can't work or farm because the chinkies drenched their land with so much toxic pesticide the government had to ban them from taking any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    because the NaGastanis drenched their land with so many bombs, many unexploded till today, the governments have had to ban them from walking in large parts of Loas/Cambodia
    FIFY.

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    Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    FIFY.
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    The chinky sycophants can't help themselves.

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    It was a good riposte though.

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    As is your oversensitivity. Take it from one that lived there, there are still No-Go areas because of UXO around the more remote border regions between Thailand, Cambo and Laos. Including on the Thai side- unless these have finally been cleared and declared safe in the last few years. I have witnessed this with my very own eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    As is your oversensitivity. Take it from one that lived there, there are still No-Go areas because of UXO around the more remote border regions between Thailand, Cambo and Laos. Including on the Thai side- unless these have finally been cleared and declared safe in the last few years. I have witnessed this with my very own eyes.
    Yeah. I wish the chinkies would build there. Free mine clearing!


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    Heh, never thought of that. Those geezers will go to any length to build a casino.

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    You really want to sound off about agricultural achievements in a country where large parts of it are returning to desert, caused by land mismanagement policies?
    Do you expect the Taiwanese to roll over and have their tummy tickled whe they are obliged to follow the example set by the Chinese over Hong Kong?

    Seriously disturbed, or selectively blind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    No-Go areas because of UXO around the more remote border regions between Thailand, Cambo and Laos. Including on the Thai side- unless these have finally been cleared and declared safe in the last few years.
    Still unexploded bomb signs on the jungle tracks between Thailand and Cambodia.

    Yet the Thais, including my FIL, walk across into Cambodia occasionally. They know the clear route, apparently.

    I was told strongly, "do not go with him", by my darling. The Thai border patrol carry rifles, with bullets loaded.

    We once had 5 or 6 armed Cambodian soldiers turn up at the FIL's house for food and a wash one evening. They had left early in the early morning.

    As we have a Thai army camp, complete with massive howitzers and a Thai border patrol base a km or so up the road, I'm not sure how they would react to armed Cambodian soldiers in the village.
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    ^^ That particular thread, in all it's glory, is up and running- "Why China Doesn't Starve". Seems the appropriate place for all things agricultural and environmental.


    Seriously disturbed, or selectively blind?
    I would think that particular comment would be more applicable to those that want to remain in the dark about what is surely the biggest story of the current century. Check out, for example, the size of the foreign investment banking sector in HK & Shanghai. I was one of them. Do you think the smart money, aka "Capital" doesn't want to be informed about what is really going on? Of course they do- money to be made, trends to be researched, significant technology development happening. Do you think smart investors, industrialists and the like would say "don't inform me about what is actually happening in China, you Chinese shill"?

    But hey, if you prefer to remain one of 'the Great Unwashed'- as we used to term the general public in all of it's ignorance, that is entirely your choice. Simply ignore this thread- just as I ignore Premier league threads and others of no interest to me.

    You sir, are the ones being shilled. Otoh I have come to realise that many of you prefer it that way. I guess life is simpler in black and white.
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    Exceptionalism

    A most interesting perspective, from an intelligent and literate bohemian who spans both cultures- successfully.



    What western country does China have the most in common with culturally?



    "I love the answer by Chris Ebbert here. Not having lived extensively in any other countries than the United States and China, but being more than casually familiar with people from many other countries who, despite not being representative of their “national cultures” have provided at least some window into them, I’d agree that the U.S. is the most like China. I think that explains the odd natural affinity, which can be almost obsessive and, like so many relationships based on affinity, can swing so wildly in mood.

    Caveats are in order but I won’t dwell. Both societies are pretty heterogeneous – the U.S. with its wonderful ethnic pluralism more so – and vary widely across geographies and even within individual cities or regions. In a sense, that heterogeneity is part of the cultural similarity, owing to the sheer size of the respective countries. But for purposes of this question, I’ll posit some notional “typical” American and Chinese person and her or his culture, make some unsupportably sweeping generalizations, and beg the reader’s forgiveness.

    Both Americans and Chinese have a sense of themselves as exceptional, as singled out whether by “history,” fate, or divine providence for some special destiny. This exceptionalism, as the very observant Greg Blandino once noted, takes very different forms: Americans, to generalize, tend to think their own values and institutions are universally applicable and should be adopted by everyone, while Chinese tend in contrast to think their values and institutions are so unique that they can’t really be understood, much less adopted, by other peoples. It’s an exaggeration, of course, but there’s truth in it.

    Both Americans and Chinese nurture an idea that they’re self-contained and, should it come down to it, self-sufficient. They could exist without the rest of the world, and so why bother to learn another language, or go live abroad. Yes yes, there are plenty of exceptions, and some wonderfully cosmopolitan types from both countries, but this notionally typical American and her or his Chinese counterpart aren’t that exception.

    Related to these first two is that both have a center-of-the-world problem. They tend to lens everything the other does or says in terms of themselves, they tend to believe in a rightful place, either because of incumbency (the U.S.) or bygone glories (China), at the center of the world. This is not to say I believe, for instance, that Chinese foreign policy is all about recreating the so-called “Tribute System,” as some have argued, but both countries do have this self-obsessive tendency.

    They’re both cultures that believe in meritocracy, even if that ideal translates rather imperfectly into reality in both countries. I think this is one of the most attractive features of both cultures. China has its own Horatio Alger stories, about savants from the humblest of origins who by pluck and hard work have risen to become ministers. The work ethic in both is similar. They find intrinsic virtue in effort and toil.

    Both are highly entrepreneurial cultures, but this natural, undeniable entrepreneurialism plays out in societies that are conflicted over the morality of the profit motive. China has its Confucian values (which denigrated the merchant class and ranked them below the gentlemen (士, shi), the farmers, and the craftsmen) overlayed for a while at least with egalitarian and redistributive communist ideology; the U.S. has its Christianity, whose central figure, Jesus, famously drove the moneylenders from the Temple and made a virtue of poverty. This exists in tension with some pretty conspicuous materialism in both societies.

    Both also have this genuine, irrepressible friendliness and decency that, of course, is just the loveliest thing. I find them both to be much more open than closed. They’re earnest, polite, optimistic, warm, and will over-share (okay, here Americans more than Chinese) given any opportunity to do so.

    I am admittedly biased, being of both these worlds, but honestly, I think there’s so much more that unites Chinese and Americans culturally than can divide them politically. Or so I fondly hope."



    Kaiser Kuo


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