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    Really cerebral stuff there syb. Have you been munching on smart foods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    My post was directly related to 90% gov favorability by your average Wang. Just a guess but I doubt your new neighbor falls into that category.
    Fair call . . . their name is Chien . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It is also still classed as a developing country-
    By itself foremost when chasing economic privilege . . . rapidly being withdrawn by more and more countries.

    Tell them they are a developing country and they scoff - of course it's bullshit.




    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    but the progress that has been made this century is nothing short of astonishing. A new world record!
    It's hardly a world record - care to check out South Korea, among others? But yes, amazing . . . accompanied by 100 million deaths and a very low bar.

    I would hate to see China's Communist Party fail and disintegrate because the repercussions of 1.5 billion Chinese with few limits would be dire for the world

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    GT Voice: Asian nations beware of AUKUSí trap of arms race

    The new submarine deal in which the US and the UK pledge to help Australia build a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines, has sparked an intense backlash in France and across the EU.

    The way France was treated by the US, the UK and Australia in secretly signing a security partnership and ditching Paris' existing contract to supply submarines to Canberra has been labeled "unacceptable," by EU chief Ursula von der Leyen during an interview with CNN on Monday. French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian slammed the new deal as a "stab in the back." Furious French officials are also reportedly seeking support from the EU to scupper a planned EU-Australia free trade deal.

    In response, the White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Monday that US President Joe Biden will speak with French President Emmanuel Macron over "the coming days."

    While it is unclear how Biden will try to ease the worst diplomatic spat between the two countries in recent memory, one thing is certain that it is impossible for the US to forego any of its own benefit from the new arms contract.

    No matter how much the US said it values its French ally or any of its Western coalition partners, these allies' national interests are well below the importance of the US military-industrial complex.

    To a certain extent, America's disregard for its allies and its eagerness to push Australia to become a nuclear capable regional partner may underscore its priority of destabilizing the Indo-Pacific region, and explore a new market for US defense contractors that has just seen revenues shrink following the US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    The so-called AUKUS alliance is widely viewed as an America-led attempt to counter China's growing influence in Asia-Pacific, but, except a few provocative statements by some Australian politicians, few see the real possibility of a military conflict between China and Australia.

    There are many uncertainties at current stage. It seems to be an open question as to when Australia's first nuclear submarine will hit the water. Observers called into question whether the US' and the UK's naval shipbuilding sectors that are operating at maximum capacity will be able to build more submarines for Australia.

    Therefore, at a time when Australia is unlikely to receive a nuclear-powered submarine in the years to come, the perception about the US and the UK sharing highly sensitive nuclear propulsion technology with Australia may only stir up regional tensions and push Australia's neighboring countries to engage in a fierce arms race, sabotaging stability in Asia-Pacific.

    For instance, Indonesia has reacted with alarm toward Australia's nuclear submarine aspirations, with its foreign ministry stressing on Friday that "Indonesia is deeply concerned over the continuing arms race and power projection in the region." As a result, a previously planned summit meeting between Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was abruptly canceled.

    If countries in the region get caught up in an arms race to get their hands on their own nuclear-powered submarines, the US will be the only party that stands to gain after destabilizing the region by selling military hardware.

    The Biden administration considers itself the "best friend" the defense lobbyists have ever had in Washington DC, and the AUKUS submarine deal is a good manifestation. We call on regional countries to resolutely oppose those external forces that are bent on muddying the waters and torpedoing peace in Asia.
    GT Voice: Asian nations beware of AUKUS’ trap of arms race - Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The new submarine deal in which the US and the UK pledge to help Australia build a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines, has sparked an intense backlash in France and across the EU.

    The way France was treated by the US, the UK and Australia in secretly signing a security partnership and ditching Paris' existing contract to supply submarines to Canberra has been labeled "unacceptable," by EU chief Ursula von der Leyen during an interview with CNN on Monday. French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian slammed the new deal as a "stab in the back." Furious French officials are also reportedly seeking support from the EU to scupper a planned EU-Australia free trade deal.

    In response, the White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Monday that US President Joe Biden will speak with French President Emmanuel Macron over "the coming days."

    While it is unclear how Biden will try to ease the worst diplomatic spat between the two countries in recent memory, one thing is certain that it is impossible for the US to forego any of its own benefit from the new arms contract.

    No matter how much the US said it values its French ally or any of its Western coalition partners, these allies' national interests are well below the importance of the US military-industrial complex.

    To a certain extent, America's disregard for its allies and its eagerness to push Australia to become a nuclear capable regional partner may underscore its priority of destabilizing the Indo-Pacific region, and explore a new market for US defense contractors that has just seen revenues shrink following the US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    The so-called AUKUS alliance is widely viewed as an America-led attempt to counter China's growing influence in Asia-Pacific, but, except a few provocative statements by some Australian politicians, few see the real possibility of a military conflict between China and Australia.

    There are many uncertainties at current stage. It seems to be an open question as to when Australia's first nuclear submarine will hit the water. Observers called into question whether the US' and the UK's naval shipbuilding sectors that are operating at maximum capacity will be able to build more submarines for Australia.

    Therefore, at a time when Australia is unlikely to receive a nuclear-powered submarine in the years to come, the perception about the US and the UK sharing highly sensitive nuclear propulsion technology with Australia may only stir up regional tensions and push Australia's neighboring countries to engage in a fierce arms race, sabotaging stability in Asia-Pacific.

    For instance, Indonesia has reacted with alarm toward Australia's nuclear submarine aspirations, with its foreign ministry stressing on Friday that "Indonesia is deeply concerned over the continuing arms race and power projection in the region." As a result, a previously planned summit meeting between Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was abruptly canceled.

    If countries in the region get caught up in an arms race to get their hands on their own nuclear-powered submarines, the US will be the only party that stands to gain after destabilizing the region by selling military hardware.

    The Biden administration considers itself the "best friend" the defense lobbyists have ever had in Washington DC, and the AUKUS submarine deal is a good manifestation. We call on regional countries to resolutely oppose those external forces that are bent on muddying the waters and torpedoing peace in Asia.
    GT Voice: Asian nations beware of AUKUSí trap of arms race - Global Times
    China's Global Times talking about the need for peace and stability in the region?

    They're not great on self-awareness, are they?

    What a load of junk.

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    about the need for peace and stability in the region
    And avoiding an arms race.

    I can understand the rise of China being a Disrupter to the 'Old guard', but how many countries have they invaded and how many people have they killed through military action in Asia this century? Very few indeed- so that should make you feel better. Only "We" can go to foreign places and slaughter people en masse', to Liberate them and spread our message of Freedom and Democracy. AUKUS seems to be a clear reaffirmation of that way of thinking. The fact that China will overtake the US in economic size and probably regional hegemony in the next decade, is clearly a fly in the ointment.

    Sorry, old anglowhite guy, but the world is changing. Actually it has changed- Try to keep up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Sorry, old anglowhite guy, but the world is changing. Actually it has changed- Try to keep up!
    Neither old nor even the tiniest bit Anglo and the world is changing - doesn't mean for the better nor that one has to stand back and do nothing. Perhaps a change in methodology would be useful, though.

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    To go back to a previous point I made, the World order is governed far more now by Trade links and Diplomacy than Military arsenals. The sub deal- well big deal, except when the aussie taxpayer realises what they have let themselves in for. It changes nothing really, except for budget concerns, and a bunch of old white geezers singing Dads Army songs. Do you honestly think it will stop other countries trading with China? Or give aussie more regional diplomatic clout?

    The US knows it would be suicidal to attack China. China knows it would be suicidal to invade Taiwan, and has no particular territorial ambitions beyond that.

    A Bipolar world order with a rough strategic & military parity (in Asia, not the western hemisphere) is what we are in now. US needs to get real, and accept the fact.
    Far more productive to deal with what is, than be stuck in last centuries Cold war and barely veiled anglo/white supremacist attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Far more productive to deal with what is, than be stuck in last centuries Cold war and barely veiled anglo/white supremacist attitudes.
    Snivelling chinky apologist says leave chinastan alone.

    Film at 11.

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    China's Xi delivers unexpected speech at UN

    Choosing calm language as tensions with the United States grow, Chinese leader Xi Jinping reiterated his nation's longtime policy of multilateralism today, telling world leaders at the United Nations that disputes among countries “need to be handled through dialogue and cooperation."

    His remarks came hours after US President Joe Biden said he didn't have any intention of starting a “new Cold War" — itself a response to criticism from the UN chief this weekend that both Washington and Beijing need to make sure their differences and tensions don't derail their 42-year-old relationship and cause problems for the rest of the planet.

    "One country’s success does not have to mean another country’s failure," Mr Xi said in a pre-recorded speech to the UN General Assembly's leaders' meeting in New York.

    "The world is big enough to accommodate common development and progress of all countries."

    The very presence of a Xi speech at the United Nations today was unexpected.

    Earlier schedules of speakers indicated a deputy Chinese premier would give an address Friday.

    The decision to slot in the country's supreme leader moved him up to Tuesday's first-day docket, hours after Mr Biden's remarks.

    The comments from leaders of the two major powers, the world's most formidable economies, appeared to represent linguistic, if not necessarily substantive, efforts to calm the waters after UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres admonished them over the weekend for putting confrontation over productive dialogue.

    China often preaches multilateralism and international cooperation in public forums, though critics say its policies toward Taiwan and in South China Sea territorial disputes with its neighbours — among other things — strongly indicate otherwise.

    Mr Xi didn't let the United States off the hook entirely, however, and rarely does.

    In pointed comments clearly aimed at Washington, he criticised nations that would fiddle around in the affairs of others.

    “Recent developments in the global situation show once again that military intervention from the outside and and so-called democratic transformation entail nothing but harm," he said, an apparent reference to events in Afghanistan last month after the US military withdrawal.

    China's Foreign Ministry and state media have relentlessly emphasised the chaos surrounding the withdrawal of US and NATO forces, saying Washington would be responsible for any ensuing instability in the region.

    Afghanistan shares a small border with China.

    Earlier, Mr Biden said in his UN address that the United States was not attempting to be divisive or confrontational.

    “We are not seeking a new Cold War or a world divided into rigid blocs,” he said.

    “The United States is ready to work with any nation that steps up and pursues peaceful resolution to shared challenges even if we have intense disagreements in other areas.”

    He didn’t say the word “China” directly in the speech.

    But the language mirrored what UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said this weekend in an Associated Press interview when he said he worried of a new Cold War — this one between Washington and Beijing if they failed to improve their relationship.

    China's Xi delivers unexpected speech at UN (msn.com)


    The real Boss has spoken. AUKUS just squawks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The real Boss has spoken. AUKUS just squawks.
    If you exhale as hard as you can, you might be able to get your tongue even further up Winnie the Flu's arsehole.

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    There is plenty of news of China's precarious real estate market. Evergrande might be the first of many that could fail and are already failing.

    "China’s second-largest property developer may end up defaulting, a prospect that is sending shock waves across global markets.
    Evergrande is $300 billion in debt and warned investors it may collapse if it can’t raise capital quickly. Shares of Evergrande’s stock plummeted on Monday by about 10% after falling roughly 80% over the past six months.
    There are concerns that a collapse of Evergrande, which holds 6.5% of China’s total property sector debt, could spell economic catastrophe similar to when U.S. investing giant Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy in 2008.
    While Evergrande was supposed to repay interest payments on some loans on Monday, officials in China have reportedlytold the major banks they won’t be paid. A collapse could ricochet across the Chinese economy given how many firms Evergrande is tied to. "
    Press On Regardless

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    Vietnam willing to share information with China for its bid to join CPTPP

    Reuters September 23, 20214:20 PM

    "HANOI -Vietnam said on Thursday it is willing to share its experience and information with China for the world's second largest economy's bid to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

    "The CPTPP is an open free trade agreement," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said at a regular press briefing.

    Vietnam is a member of the CPTPP, which is a free trade agreement that also links Canada, Australia, Brunei, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru and Singapore.

    "Vietnam will consult with other CPTPP members on the recent requests to join this agreement," Hang said in her comment on a request to join the trade pact from Taiwan."


    Vietnam willing to share information with China for its bid to join CPTPP | Reuters

    Taiwan follows China with bid to join transpacific trade pact


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    Rival CPTPP applications set to create regional dilemma at time of geopolitical tensions

    "Taiwan has applied to join a major transpacific trade pact just after a week after China filed its own membership bid, pitting the two adversaries against each other in a race to join. The formal request by Taiwan to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) will force other members of the pact into a delicate political balancing act. “We submitted the formal application this afternoon,” an official in Taiwan’s presidential office told the Financial Times on Wednesday.

    A senior Taiwanese trade policy official confirmed that the application had been sent to New Zealand’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, which handles CPTPP membership requests. A spokesperson for the ministry said the request would be shared with other signatories to the trade agreement before a decision was taken over “whether to commence accession processes”.

    The almost simultaneous requests by China and Taiwan create more rivalry at a time of high tension between the two. Beijing claims Taiwan as part of its territory and threatens to invade it if Taiwan refuses unification indefinitely. The Chinese government frequently pressures third countries as well as international organisations, non-governmental bodies and commercial enterprises to help isolate Taipei and deny it any participation in international affairs in its own right. Trade experts in Taiwan and Japan said that although the membership of both China and Taiwan in the World Trade Organization was a precedent for having both countries participate in a trade agreement, Beijing’s power and political assertiveness was now much greater, making a CPTPP deal for both more politically complex.

    China and Taiwan joined the WTO within a month of each other in 2001 and 2002. In recent years, China has frequently used its economic power to “punish” other countries, including Australia and South Korea, for political decisions it disliked, with sudden bans on some imports from those countries or a suspension of Chinese tourism. The rival bids to join CPTPP from Beijing and Taipei will raise concerns among the trade group’s members that a failure to agree to China’s accession quickly or a decision to allow Taiwan in first could trigger more economic coercion from Beijing.

    The CPTPP was originally designed by the US to limit Beijing’s growing influence in the region, and revived on Japan’s initiative after America dropped out. Under its rules all existing members have a veto over new members. Ahead of the application from Taiwan, Charles Finny, a former New Zealand diplomat and trade negotiator, expected that Beijing’s sudden move to join CPTPP would probably spur Taipei into action.

    “Taiwan has to be a member before or at the same time as China. I can’t see the Taiwanese taking the risk that China would be in a position it could veto any application from Taiwan,” said Finny, who has negotiated free trade deals with both Beijing and Taipei.

    Trade experts have also previously noted that Taiwan has shown it meets the necessary standards through its free trade deals with Singapore and New Zealand, which are CPTPP founding members. Taiwan has wanted to join CPTPP for years, and completed most of the legal preparations needed to deregulate the country’s markets to meet the pact’s standards. However, Taipei had been taking its time with the formal application because it had not finished informal consultations with the club’s members.

    Japan, which has the rotating chairmanship of CPTPP this year, has been urging Taipei to wrap up its preparatory talks and apply before the chairmanship passes to Singapore in January. A Japanese diplomat involved with the issue told the FT this month that Tokyo feared Taipei would lose any chance of joining the regional trade grouping once China was a member. China’s formal move to join CPTPP last week took its members and Taiwan by surprise. Although Beijing had previously publicly expressed its interest in joining the trade club and started lobbying some members for support over the past two months, it has not conducted detailed consultations.

    The dominant role of state-owned enterprises in China’s economy, in particular, is seen as a hurdle to the country’s accession to the CPTPP. New Zealand’s foreign affairs and trade ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Taiwan’s government is expected to announce its move later on Wednesday, once it has notified the 11 other CPTPP members of its application."


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    ^ I shall look out for the 'View from China' on Taiwan's bid. Don't see why both can't join, but will China get on it's high horse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    will China get on it's high horse?
    Do you really have to ask that question?

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    I would have thought sitting in the same trade pact will help them form a working relationship- which would feed entirely into China's long term plan. But they might get all snotty, because of Taiwan's official non-Sovereign status. Never know with this lot.

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    ^^And if he does, how many more thousand fucking times will he do so before understanding that it's = it is.

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    Ant product integrated into PBC system Move will promote healthy market development

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    By Qi Xijia Published: Sep 22, 2021 08:33 PM

    "Ant Group's credit payment product, Huabei, has been integrated into China's central bank credit reporting system, the company said on Wednesday. The integration comes as a big lift to China's credit system, analysts said.

    The move also shows the nation's recognition of big data scoring methods and the internet loan business.

    Huabei is advancing its orderly inclusion into the financial credit information database held by the credit reporting system of the People's Bank of China (PBC), the central bank.

    With users' prior authorization, credit information from their Huabei records will gradually be included in the PBC system, Huabei said in an open letter on its official Weibo account on Wednesday.

    Some users are already able to look up Huabei-related records in their credit reports after providing authorization for credit information reporting. Going forward, the PBC credit reporting system will be able to serve all Huabei users in the country.

    The announcement became a trending topic on China's Twitter-like social media Sina Weibo, with many users worrying that the inclusion will affect their applications for mortgages and car loans at commercial banks.

    Addressing users' concerns, Huabei said the inclusion comes amid the growth of the digital economy and will not affect users' loan applications. It said that under normal circumstances, and with a record of regular use and payments for Huabei, other financial services will not be affected.

    With users' prior authorization, information that Huabei reports to the central bank's credit reporting system includes the date of account opening, credit lines, usage, and credit repayments.

    Huabei will submit credit information on a monthly basis, and it will not reveal the details of personal consumption, the platform said.

    "Our data indicates that more than 99 percent of Huabei users have good records. We recommend that users continue to use Huabei in accordance with their own personal circumstances, spend within their means, and make appropriate use of credit tools," the platform said.

    The integration of the private and official PBC credit systems will improve the credibility and efficiency of China's credit reporting system, promote the healthy development of consumer finance, and reduce the overall risk of consumer finance, Dong Dengxin, director of the Finance and Securities Institute of Wuhan University, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

    "It will also remind users to better manage their financial situation, income and spending, as well as credit history," Doing added.

    In June, Ant Group received approval to operate a consumer finance company that will make small loans, which made it subject to stricter supervision amid the central government's top agenda to step up financial supervision and prevent financial risks.

    The newly licensed financial institution, called Ant Consumer Finance, which operates Ant Group's two major consumer loan products -- Huabei and Jiebei -- shall accept supervision according to the law and strictly abide by relevant government regulations, according to China's national banking and insurance regulator.

    The new entity must disclose basic information about loan applicants and conditions, actual annual interest rates, annualized comprehensive capital costs, as well as principal and interest service arrangements, to protect customers' rights to know and choose.

    The integration provides a big lift to China's credit system and its recognition of big data scoring methods and the internet loan business, Zhang Yi, CEO of iiMedia Research Institute, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

    "It is a big step forward from the traditional credit system, which relied on records from commercial banks to assess someone's creditworthiness before providing loan services," Zhang said.

    "The nation's credit system is likely to include more third-party internet loan platforms," Zhang said."


    Ant product integrated into PBC system - Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    So glad you signed up.

    I can't imagine how this forum ever managed without you.



    Is there any chance of kicking these pointless c-u-n-t-s out of here?

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    Oh no, the grammar police.

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    What can I say.

    Years and fucking years.

    Why not be fully conversant in a language you've been using for circa 50 f-u-c-k-i-n-g years?

    it's = it is

    How fucking complicated is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Don't see why both can't join
    As both China and Chinese Taipei are members of the WTO there doesn't appear to be any problem.

    China and the WTO

    This page gathers key information on China's participation in the WTO. China has been a member of WTO since 11 December 2001.

    WTO | China - Member information

    Chinese Taipei

    This page gathers key information on Chinese Taipei's participation in the WTO. Chinese Taipei has been a member of WTO since 1 January 2002.

    WTO | Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu - Member information

    Except for one thing, Chinese Taipei doesn't appear to be recognised by the United Nations as a country.

    Which may, or may not, be a problem.


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    Free China!

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    I quite enjoyed this ABC Foreign Correspondent program- and sure, it's a view from China so it belongs here. A bohemian view. For those of you who still think China is a place of oppressed masses wearing identical Mao jackets, well it should be required viewing.



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    You can see what happens when people step out of the ordinary, though - I trust you've been keeping up with the news regarding actors looks and demeanour, wearing Adidas and being banned etc...

    Yea, freedom . . .

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