Thread: The View, from China

Really cerebral stuff there syb. Have you been munching on smart foods?

Originally Posted by Norton

My post was directly related to 90% gov favorability by your average Wang. Just a guess but I doubt your new neighbor falls into that category.

Fair call . . . their name is Chien . . .

Originally Posted by sabang

It is also still classed as a developing country-

By itself foremost when chasing economic privilege . . . rapidly being withdrawn by more and more countries.

Tell them they are a developing country and they scoff - of course it's bullshit.

Originally Posted by sabang

but the progress that has been made this century is nothing short of astonishing. A new world record!

It's hardly a world record - care to check out South Korea, among others? But yes, amazing . . . accompanied by 100 million deaths and a very low bar.

I would hate to see China's Communist Party fail and disintegrate because the repercussions of 1.5 billion Chinese with few limits would be dire for the world

The new submarine deal in which the US and the UK pledge to help Australia build a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines, has sparked an intense backlash in France and across the EU.

The way France was treated by the US, the UK and Australia in secretly signing a security partnership and ditching Paris' existing contract to supply submarines to Canberra has been labeled "unacceptable," by EU chief Ursula von der Leyen during an interview with CNN on Monday. French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian slammed the new deal as a "stab in the back." Furious French officials are also reportedly seeking support from the EU to scupper a planned EU-Australia free trade deal.

In response, the White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Monday that US President Joe Biden will speak with French President Emmanuel Macron over "the coming days."

While it is unclear how Biden will try to ease the worst diplomatic spat between the two countries in recent memory, one thing is certain that it is impossible for the US to forego any of its own benefit from the new arms contract.

No matter how much the US said it values its French ally or any of its Western coalition partners, these allies' national interests are well below the importance of the US military-industrial complex.

To a certain extent, America's disregard for its allies and its eagerness to push Australia to become a nuclear capable regional partner may underscore its priority of destabilizing the Indo-Pacific region, and explore a new market for US defense contractors that has just seen revenues shrink following the US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The so-called AUKUS alliance is widely viewed as an America-led attempt to counter China's growing influence in Asia-Pacific, but, except a few provocative statements by some Australian politicians, few see the real possibility of a military conflict between China and Australia.

There are many uncertainties at current stage. It seems to be an open question as to when Australia's first nuclear submarine will hit the water. Observers called into question whether the US' and the UK's naval shipbuilding sectors that are operating at maximum capacity will be able to build more submarines for Australia.

Therefore, at a time when Australia is unlikely to receive a nuclear-powered submarine in the years to come, the perception about the US and the UK sharing highly sensitive nuclear propulsion technology with Australia may only stir up regional tensions and push Australia's neighboring countries to engage in a fierce arms race, sabotaging stability in Asia-Pacific.

For instance, Indonesia has reacted with alarm toward Australia's nuclear submarine aspirations, with its foreign ministry stressing on Friday that "Indonesia is deeply concerned over the continuing arms race and power projection in the region." As a result, a previously planned summit meeting between Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was abruptly canceled.

If countries in the region get caught up in an arms race to get their hands on their own nuclear-powered submarines, the US will be the only party that stands to gain after destabilizing the region by selling military hardware.

The Biden administration considers itself the "best friend" the defense lobbyists have ever had in Washington DC, and the AUKUS submarine deal is a good manifestation. We call on regional countries to resolutely oppose those external forces that are bent on muddying the waters and torpedoing peace in Asia.
GT Voice: Asian nations beware of AUKUS’ trap of arms race - Global Times

Originally Posted by sabang

The new submarine deal in which the US and the UK pledge to help Australia build a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines, has sparked an intense backlash in France and across the EU.

The way France was treated by the US, the UK and Australia in secretly signing a security partnership and ditching Paris' existing contract to supply submarines to Canberra has been labeled "unacceptable," by EU chief Ursula von der Leyen during an interview with CNN on Monday. French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian slammed the new deal as a "stab in the back." Furious French officials are also reportedly seeking support from the EU to scupper a planned EU-Australia free trade deal.

In response, the White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Monday that US President Joe Biden will speak with French President Emmanuel Macron over "the coming days."

While it is unclear how Biden will try to ease the worst diplomatic spat between the two countries in recent memory, one thing is certain that it is impossible for the US to forego any of its own benefit from the new arms contract.

No matter how much the US said it values its French ally or any of its Western coalition partners, these allies' national interests are well below the importance of the US military-industrial complex.

To a certain extent, America's disregard for its allies and its eagerness to push Australia to become a nuclear capable regional partner may underscore its priority of destabilizing the Indo-Pacific region, and explore a new market for US defense contractors that has just seen revenues shrink following the US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The so-called AUKUS alliance is widely viewed as an America-led attempt to counter China's growing influence in Asia-Pacific, but, except a few provocative statements by some Australian politicians, few see the real possibility of a military conflict between China and Australia.

There are many uncertainties at current stage. It seems to be an open question as to when Australia's first nuclear submarine will hit the water. Observers called into question whether the US' and the UK's naval shipbuilding sectors that are operating at maximum capacity will be able to build more submarines for Australia.

Therefore, at a time when Australia is unlikely to receive a nuclear-powered submarine in the years to come, the perception about the US and the UK sharing highly sensitive nuclear propulsion technology with Australia may only stir up regional tensions and push Australia's neighboring countries to engage in a fierce arms race, sabotaging stability in Asia-Pacific.

For instance, Indonesia has reacted with alarm toward Australia's nuclear submarine aspirations, with its foreign ministry stressing on Friday that "Indonesia is deeply concerned over the continuing arms race and power projection in the region." As a result, a previously planned summit meeting between Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was abruptly canceled.

If countries in the region get caught up in an arms race to get their hands on their own nuclear-powered submarines, the US will be the only party that stands to gain after destabilizing the region by selling military hardware.

The Biden administration considers itself the "best friend" the defense lobbyists have ever had in Washington DC, and the AUKUS submarine deal is a good manifestation. We call on regional countries to resolutely oppose those external forces that are bent on muddying the waters and torpedoing peace in Asia.
GT Voice: Asian nations beware of AUKUS’ trap of arms race - Global Times

China's Global Times talking about the need for peace and stability in the region?

They're not great on self-awareness, are they?

What a load of junk.

about the need for peace and stability in the region

And avoiding an arms race.

I can understand the rise of China being a Disrupter to the 'Old guard', but how many countries have they invaded and how many people have they killed through military action in Asia this century? Very few indeed- so that should make you feel better. Only "We" can go to foreign places and slaughter people en masse', to Liberate them and spread our message of Freedom and Democracy. AUKUS seems to be a clear reaffirmation of that way of thinking. The fact that China will overtake the US in economic size and probably regional hegemony in the next decade, is clearly a fly in the ointment.

Sorry, old anglowhite guy, but the world is changing. Actually it has changed- Try to keep up!

Originally Posted by sabang

Sorry, old anglowhite guy, but the world is changing. Actually it has changed- Try to keep up!

Neither old nor even the tiniest bit Anglo and the world is changing - doesn't mean for the better nor that one has to stand back and do nothing. Perhaps a change in methodology would be useful, though.

To go back to a previous point I made, the World order is governed far more now by Trade links and Diplomacy than Military arsenals. The sub deal- well big deal, except when the aussie taxpayer realises what they have let themselves in for. It changes nothing really, except for budget concerns, and a bunch of old white geezers singing Dads Army songs. Do you honestly think it will stop other countries trading with China? Or give aussie more regional diplomatic clout?

The US knows it would be suicidal to attack China. China knows it would be suicidal to invade Taiwan, and has no particular territorial ambitions beyond that.

A Bipolar world order with a rough strategic & military parity (in Asia, not the western hemisphere) is what we are in now. US needs to get real, and accept the fact.
Far more productive to deal with what is, than be stuck in last centuries Cold war and barely veiled anglo/white supremacist attitudes.

Originally Posted by sabang

Far more productive to deal with what is, than be stuck in last centuries Cold war and barely veiled anglo/white supremacist attitudes.

Snivelling chinky apologist says leave chinastan alone.

Film at 11.

Choosing calm language as tensions with the United States grow, Chinese leader Xi Jinping reiterated his nation's longtime policy of multilateralism today, telling world leaders at the United Nations that disputes among countries “need to be handled through dialogue and cooperation."

His remarks came hours after US President Joe Biden said he didn't have any intention of starting a “new Cold War" — itself a response to criticism from the UN chief this weekend that both Washington and Beijing need to make sure their differences and tensions don't derail their 42-year-old relationship and cause problems for the rest of the planet.

"One country’s success does not have to mean another country’s failure," Mr Xi said in a pre-recorded speech to the UN General Assembly's leaders' meeting in New York.

"The world is big enough to accommodate common development and progress of all countries."

The very presence of a Xi speech at the United Nations today was unexpected.

Earlier schedules of speakers indicated a deputy Chinese premier would give an address Friday.

The decision to slot in the country's supreme leader moved him up to Tuesday's first-day docket, hours after Mr Biden's remarks.

The comments from leaders of the two major powers, the world's most formidable economies, appeared to represent linguistic, if not necessarily substantive, efforts to calm the waters after UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres admonished them over the weekend for putting confrontation over productive dialogue.

China often preaches multilateralism and international cooperation in public forums, though critics say its policies toward Taiwan and in South China Sea territorial disputes with its neighbours — among other things — strongly indicate otherwise.

Mr Xi didn't let the United States off the hook entirely, however, and rarely does.

In pointed comments clearly aimed at Washington, he criticised nations that would fiddle around in the affairs of others.

“Recent developments in the global situation show once again that military intervention from the outside and and so-called democratic transformation entail nothing but harm," he said, an apparent reference to events in Afghanistan last month after the US military withdrawal.

China's Foreign Ministry and state media have relentlessly emphasised the chaos surrounding the withdrawal of US and NATO forces, saying Washington would be responsible for any ensuing instability in the region.

Afghanistan shares a small border with China.

Earlier, Mr Biden said in his UN address that the United States was not attempting to be divisive or confrontational.

“We are not seeking a new Cold War or a world divided into rigid blocs,” he said.

“The United States is ready to work with any nation that steps up and pursues peaceful resolution to shared challenges even if we have intense disagreements in other areas.”

He didn’t say the word “China” directly in the speech.

But the language mirrored what UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said this weekend in an Associated Press interview when he said he worried of a new Cold War — this one between Washington and Beijing if they failed to improve their relationship.

China's Xi delivers unexpected speech at UN (msn.com)


The real Boss has spoken. AUKUS just squawks.

Originally Posted by sabang

The real Boss has spoken. AUKUS just squawks.

If you exhale as hard as you can, you might be able to get your tongue even further up Winnie the Flu's arsehole.

^ I shall look out for the 'View from China' on Taiwan's bid. Don't see why both can't join, but will China get on it's high horse?

Originally Posted by sabang

will China get on it's high horse?

Do you really have to ask that question?

I would have thought sitting in the same trade pact will help them form a working relationship- which would feed entirely into China's long term plan. But they might get all snotty, because of Taiwan's official non-Sovereign status. Never know with this lot.

^^And if he does, how many more thousand fucking times will he do so before understanding that it's = it is.

Grr!
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Ant product integrated into PBC system Move will promote healthy market development

By Qi Xijia Published: Sep 22, 2021 08:33 PM

"Ant Group's credit payment product, Huabei, has been integrated into China's central bank credit reporting system, the company said on Wednesday. The integration comes as a big lift to China's credit system, analysts said.

The move also shows the nation's recognition of big data scoring methods and the internet loan business.

Huabei is advancing its orderly inclusion into the financial credit information database held by the credit reporting system of the People's Bank of China (PBC), the central bank.

With users' prior authorization, credit information from their Huabei records will gradually be included in the PBC system, Huabei said in an open letter on its official Weibo account on Wednesday.

Some users are already able to look up Huabei-related records in their credit reports after providing authorization for credit information reporting. Going forward, the PBC credit reporting system will be able to serve all Huabei users in the country.

The announcement became a trending topic on China's Twitter-like social media Sina Weibo, with many users worrying that the inclusion will affect their applications for mortgages and car loans at commercial banks.

Addressing users' concerns, Huabei said the inclusion comes amid the growth of the digital economy and will not affect users' loan applications. It said that under normal circumstances, and with a record of regular use and payments for Huabei, other financial services will not be affected.

With users' prior authorization, information that Huabei reports to the central bank's credit reporting system includes the date of account opening, credit lines, usage, and credit repayments.

Huabei will submit credit information on a monthly basis, and it will not reveal the details of personal consumption, the platform said.

"Our data indicates that more than 99 percent of Huabei users have good records. We recommend that users continue to use Huabei in accordance with their own personal circumstances, spend within their means, and make appropriate use of credit tools," the platform said.

The integration of the private and official PBC credit systems will improve the credibility and efficiency of China's credit reporting system, promote the healthy development of consumer finance, and reduce the overall risk of consumer finance, Dong Dengxin, director of the Finance and Securities Institute of Wuhan University, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

"It will also remind users to better manage their financial situation, income and spending, as well as credit history," Doing added.

In June, Ant Group received approval to operate a consumer finance company that will make small loans, which made it subject to stricter supervision amid the central government's top agenda to step up financial supervision and prevent financial risks.

The newly licensed financial institution, called Ant Consumer Finance, which operates Ant Group's two major consumer loan products -- Huabei and Jiebei -- shall accept supervision according to the law and strictly abide by relevant government regulations, according to China's national banking and insurance regulator.

The new entity must disclose basic information about loan applicants and conditions, actual annual interest rates, annualized comprehensive capital costs, as well as principal and interest service arrangements, to protect customers' rights to know and choose.

The integration provides a big lift to China's credit system and its recognition of big data scoring methods and the internet loan business, Zhang Yi, CEO of iiMedia Research Institute, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

"It is a big step forward from the traditional credit system, which relied on records from commercial banks to assess someone's creditworthiness before providing loan services," Zhang said.

"The nation's credit system is likely to include more third-party internet loan platforms," Zhang said."

Ant product integrated into PBC system - Global Times

Originally Posted by OhOh

Ant product integrated into PBC system Move will promote healthy market development

So glad you signed up.

I can't imagine how this forum ever managed without you.



Is there any chance of kicking these pointless c-u-n-t-s out of here?

Oh no, the grammar police.

What can I say.

Years and fucking years.

Why not be fully conversant in a language you've been using for circa 50 f-u-c-k-i-n-g years?

it's = it is

How fucking complicated is it.

Originally Posted by sabang

Don't see why both can't join

As both China and Chinese Taipei are members of the WTO there doesn't appear to be any problem.

China and the WTO
This page gathers key information on China's participation in the WTO. China has been a member of WTO since 11 December 2001.

WTO | China - Member information

Chinese Taipei
This page gathers key information on Chinese Taipei's participation in the WTO. Chinese Taipei has been a member of WTO since 1 January 2002.

WTO | Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu - Member information

Except for one thing, Chinese Taipei doesn't appear to be recognised by the United Nations as a country.

Which may, or may not, be a problem.

Free China!

I quite enjoyed this ABC Foreign Correspondent program- and sure, it's a view from China so it belongs here. A bohemian view. For those of you who still think China is a place of oppressed masses wearing identical Mao jackets, well it should be required viewing.

You can see what happens when people step out of the ordinary, though - I trust you've been keeping up with the news regarding actors looks and demeanour, wearing Adidas and being banned etc...

Yea, freedom . . .