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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Godfree Roberts is trying to distort the actual control that China has over Australian land.
    Of course, the turncoat loser sabang disparages his own country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post

    But hey, I get it- you just resent hearing all this good news from China, don't you? But you had better get used to it. Remarkable success story.
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    I sense an underlying frisson of jealousy here.
    Nope, not at all. But keep saying that like a petulant teenager.

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    The Dismantling of Hong Kong Since 2019, my hometown has slowly transformed into a brutal, unrecognizable place. Then came Omicron.


    Throughout February and March, as Omicron cases in Hong Kong climbed to tens of thousands a day, I’d leave my apartment every evening for a stroll along the waterfront in Sheung Wan. The sky was a wallpaper of twilight blue; being shut indoors felt like a waste of spring. The promenade bustled with others who had permitted themselves these daily masked excursions: children speeding past me in rollerblades, burning off excess energy from school days spent on Zoom, and office workers sitting on benches clutching plastic containers of takeaway dinners. Across the city, hospitals were overflowing with the sick and dying, but the scene on the promenade was placid: a man playing a tune on an erhu, another performing handstands near the edge of a fountain. Over the harbor, the massive display screen of a newly opened art museum flashed a half-hearted message expressing well-wishes.


    Every time I think about Hong Kong, I inevitably return to the water — the masked couples making out in cars facing the smoggy sunset by Stonecutters Bridge; the tourists jostling before the postcard-perfect view of the harbor from Avenue of Stars at Tsim Sha Tsui; the tranquil walks along the reservoirs at the country parks surrounding the city. In the last few decades, Hong Kong has frequently been referred to as a global financial center, but the city first gained significance as a major port in the early 20th century; its fate has always been intimately tied to its waters. I know that were I to ever leave, they would be what I would miss most.

    When I say I miss Hong Kong, what I mean is the city as I remember it between the years of 2014 and 2019. In the aftermath of the 79-day pro-democracy occupation protests in 2014, every neighborhood across the city set up its own grassroots form of civic engagement: Residents self-organized home repairs for the elderly and ran historical walking tours to build stronger community ties. When friends visited the city, we’d eat curries at Chungking Mansions, then walk over to Sai Yeung Choi Street, a popular shopping district, where political parties across the spectrum set up street booths and handed out flyers and balloons. On one weekend, I might have headed to Lamma Island to meet an artist from Milwaukee who ended up in Hong Kong because of his love of Wong Kar-wai films; the next weekend, I could have wound up at a mini-music festival hosted atop a mountain peak, at an industrial warehouse, or inside a cha chaan teng (tea café) in Yau Ma Tei with the shutters pulled down. Every June 4, we’d commemorate the Tiananmen massacre at Victoria Park with a candlelight vigil, then head to the dai pai dong (open-air food stall) above a wet market for beers.

    I was born not long before the handover in 1997, when Hong Kong was to cease to become a British colony and be handed to China. The event had triggered an emigration wave: There were whispers of how Hong Kong would change, and many left because they did not want to be under Communist rule. But change came slow, and borders remained free. Within a decade, Hong Kong had developed a regular protest calendar, with thousands marching through a dense network of skyscrapers in the financial district on set days every year to voice discontent and commemorate anniversaries. Over time, the city became, for the post-handover generation, less a place of transition, a stepping-stone for better lives abroad, but a place worth fighting for.


    These days, Hong Kong is a different city altogether. In the wake of the 2014 mass protests, a series of events foreshadowed the encroachment from China that was to come: legislators disqualified from parliament for altering their oaths to express discontent toward Beijing, booksellers kidnapped and detained in China. In 2019, Hong Kong proposed an extradition bill that would allow the city to send “criminals” to China, sparking alarm that the judiciary would no longer be independent from the Communist regime and spurring mass protests that transformed our streets into guerrilla battlefields; in June 2020, Beijing implemented in Hong Kong the national security law, a broad tool for silencing dissent that could outlaw a political slogan one day then censor films and books the next. Under the guise of pandemic social-distancing, public gatherings were banned, and protests disappeared from the streets. Later in 2020, a teacher had his license revoked after showing his class a documentary featuring a pro-independence activist; in the years since, prominent commentators, including Apple Daily writer Fung Wai-kong and academic Hui Po Keung, have been arrested at the airport while attempting to leave the city. New election rules implemented in 2021 now dictate that only “patriots” can administer Hong Kong. By early 2022, at least 50 civil organizations have disbanded in the ongoing crackdown, including a pro-democracy trade-union coalition and an activist group that commemorates the Tiananmen massacre.


    After the national security law passed in June 2020, friends began leaving Hong Kong every few weeks. One by one, they disappeared from the camera reel on my phone, leaving me with things they couldn’t take with them: an oven, a Sodastream, a sous-vide machine, a stone diffuser, and five bottles of ground cinnamon. From 2020 through 2021, it was reported that 116,000 residents had left, often departing for countries like Britain and Canada, which, amid the turmoil, announced residency schemes for Hong Kongers. Every other day on social media, someone pens a eulogy for the city. They were leaving; there was no way to plan for a future in this place, where every day brought about an unexpected change to the existing set of rules. Hong Kong had “become a place that could no longer tolerate truth,” pollster and moderate commentator Chung Kim Wah said earlier this year. He was born and raised here, but he craved broader skies and fresher air where he would no longer have to worry about shifting red lines.


    In February 2022, when the aisles of my neighborhood supermarket began emptying from vegetable shortages and panic-buys, I thought about the language of dystopia we so often resorted to over the past three years. Our dystopia had thus far been political, a synonym for totalitarianism, oppression, and injustice. It smelled like the burnt residue of tear gas; its side effects include insomnia. But government officials, business leaders, pro-Beijing politicians continued to assure us that this post-national security law Hong Kong was far from dystopian — it was an improved version of the city. Then a new kind of dystopia arrived, one which made it harder to keep up the pretense.

    After two years of relative self-isolation and a low accumulated number of deaths (at just over 200 up till 2021), the coronavirus finally reached Hong Kong in early 2022. Even before the city’s outbreak, leader Carrie Lam’s mishandling of the 2019 protests, coupled with the fact that the authorities were seen as weaponizing social-distancing guidelines to prevent gatherings on the streets, had led to a deep mistrust of the government’s pandemic policies, which later turned some residents — including the receptionist at my therapist’s office, my hairdresser, and several friends — into anti-vaxxers. Some eventually succumbed and took the jab after being banned from entering shopping malls and supermarkets, but elderly vaccination rates remained low. The city was unprepared for the infectious Omicron variant. Almost 7,000 would die in Hong Kong by mid-March with over a million infected.


    In late February, local news outlets published photographs of horrifying scenes in public hospitals: corpses sitting in gray bags next to living patients in an overcrowded emergency ward, senior citizens lying underneath outdoor tents on a freezing night in February. Afterward, I spoke to Jasper, a young nurse in Kowloon who asked to go by this name to speak without repercussions. Jasper works in a public hospital that serves an aging population; this devastation, she says, is the direct result of both the government’s overconfidence in its healthcare system and of the strategy it chose to tackle the outbreak. Under the city’s elimination strategy, strict rules were put in place such that anyone who tested positive could be sent to hospitals or isolation facilities. As a result, rather than staying at home to recover, many COVID patients experiencing mild symptoms initially flocked to the hospitals and quickly crippled the system. By mid-February, only weeks after Omicron hit Hong Kong, the waiting rooms of Jasper’s hospital were so inundated that beds were spilling into the corridors. In the emergency rooms, four nurses could be looking after more than a hundred patients per shift. Days or even weeks later, Jasper said, when patients were finally transferred to the isolation wards, their conditions could have deteriorated. It would only be a matter of time before they passed away.


    Amid the crisis, residents in Hong Kong were forced to confront the realities of what it meant to live in a place where nobody in charge was popularly elected by the people. Over in China, the Communist government had implemented a zero-COVID policy, prioritizing lockdowns and restrictions rather than mitigation, and Hong Kong followed suit. During the outbreak, almost everyone I knew lived not in fear of catching COVID, but of the arbitrariness they may be subjected to should authorities find out they caught the illness, or came in close contact with someone who did. Health officers would sometimes appear on your doorstep to inform you that your building had been locked down for mandatory testing; should you test positive, you would have to undergo quarantine at an isolation facility, which Hong Kong residents have described as a “madhouse.” A Hong Kong woman told a local news outlet that despite two negative rapid tests, she was not told when she could leave; some in quarantine attempted suicide inside the facilities, according to local media reports. The uncertainty and severity of the measures made me feel like the city was collectively being punished. Meanwhile, in the hospitals, resources were spent on bringing in mainland Chinese health-care staff, who had different qualifications and were unfamiliar with local medical equipment, and primitive isolation facilities were hastily constructed by a state-owned Chinese company, the first of which was a 3,900-bed facility in Tsing Yi with shared squat toilets. It was part of what ultimately became a public-relations campaign about the support China was offering to Hong Kong, and further blurred the fading borders between the two places.

    Business advisers who rarely uttered a word against the government began urging Hong Kong’s leader to revise its pandemic policies, which were leading to a talent drain and further undermining the city’s global competitiveness. “Mixed messages from different government officials are not helping and are causing a lot of panic,” Allan Zeman, nightlife mogul and chairman of Lan Kwai Fong Group, said in a Bloomberg interview. In a survey in January, 44 percent of the members of the American Chamber of Commerce said they were planning to leave Hong Kong because of the strict pandemic rules, while a quarter of companies were considering relocation. In another survey in March by a European counterpart, almost half of the companies said they may exit the city. The political crackdown had already prompted artists, journalists, and prominent NGOs such as Amnesty International to leave Hong Kong; now, even global banks are mulling a move.


    By April, the outbreak had begun to subside, but the government’s response to it had left the residents of Hong Kong shaken. Something was fundamentally broken: If Hong Kong could botch the handling of a pandemic outbreak it had two years to prepare for, what does that say about future governance? Hong Kong used to be a city that understood its capitalism depended on appearances; ever since the national security law was enacted, however, it no longer cared about the mask slipping. Two days after Jasper and I spoke, a former cop announced his intention to run for chief executive. He has since been chosen by a tightly controlled election committee as the next leader of the city.


    In the early days of the pandemic, I watched as people around the world debated what a return to normalcy meant. When the Omicron variant finally reached Hong Kong, the devastation was doubly felt, because the residents of the city had not known what a normal day was since June 2019, when the protests began. As the national security law altered the terrain of what was permitted, and the government flip-flopped on pandemic plans such as whether to conduct mass testing every few days, Hong Kong became an unpredictable, unlivable city. It wasn’t only that we could not see our future a few years down the line — say, whether we could raise our children in this city under a climate of fear. Now, we didn’t even know what was in store the next day. The Hong Kong government ultimately relented on its “dynamic zero” COVID policy, deviating from China’s approach. But up until that moment, there was a stark possibility that the government would never listen. During that time, when the government banned dining out at 6 p.m., I retreated into isolation and ate pancakes for dinner, numb but grateful that I was at least at home and not in quarantine. I felt like I had not come up for air in three years.

    There is a Chinese phrase, 圍爐取暖, which means a group of people crowding around a fire or stove for warmth, and is sometimes a synonym for dinners or gatherings that create a sense of community. Hong Kongers had previously used it as a synonym for being willfully ignorant to views outside of one’s echo chamber, but since the 2019 protests, it’s taken on a new significance. 圍爐, to surround yourself with like-minded friends and family who could offer support during difficult times, is now seen as a necessity to survival. Over the past two years, as the crackdown intensified, we’d host late-night drinks and winter barbeques at each other’s places, desperately holding on to the time we still have with each other and bracing ourselves for the possibility that tomorrow, someone at the table may have to flee, or worse — be arrested.


    The last three years in Hong Kong have seen the jailing of hundreds of new political prisoners. Some were protesters arrested for rioting, unlawful assembly, or possession of weapons. Others were politicians and activists targeted by the national security law and awaiting trial for offenses like secession. Under the security law, new criminal procedures now dictate that bail can no longer be presumed granted, which means those activists can spend more than a year in jail before their cases go before a judge. Then, weeks before the Omicron outbreak on an early morning in December 2021, the police raided the newsroom of the popular pro-democracy site Stand News, arrested senior journalists and board members, and froze the publication’s assets. The outlet would later take down its website, erasing years’ worth of news reporting and commentary that include documentation of mass protests in 2019. Days later, a second newsroom, Citizen News, announced it would cease operations. My Facebook feed, which I had used primarily to share headlines, became a series of error messages: This content isn’t available right now.


    Since last May, an acquaintance I’ll call Peter, a citizen journalist, has been taking trips to the jails and detention centers scattered across Hong Kong to visit his friends behind bars. One of those friends is Gwyneth Ho, a feisty Stand News reporter-turned-political activist arrested for subversion after taking part in a primary election. Prisoners had access to TV and radio stations so they were caught up with the news, but they had no idea what the political atmosphere of the city was like. What Ho wanted above all was news about her favorite Hong Kong pop group, Mirror, so Peter would sometimes copy lyrics of the latest Mirror songs by hand to give to her. Once, Ho mentioned to Peter that she couldn’t really sense the mood in the world outside, but she had noticed that the lyrics in pop songs were starting to move away from the trend of mentioning “leaving,” and new lyrics about staying had begun to appear. Then, during the fifth wave of the Omicron crisis, an outbreak erupted in prisons, and Peter’s visitations to Ho were halted.


    For those who remain in Hong Kong, the question of whether to go constantly hangs over them. “The pandemic has made me more determined to leave,” Jasper, the nurse, told me. “But it’s not the right time; until then, I’ll continue to work in the isolation wards, perhaps in preparation for the next wave.” At the same time, she told me, she’ll begin to prepare for her overseas nursing qualification. Over the past year, Peter had grown to accept living in a state where he was unable to plan for the future: He knew that, eventually, he would be forced to self-censor and that his job would become untenable. It was growing increasingly difficult to navigate the media landscape, he said, where there were few platforms left on which to publish and the threat of the national security law loomed over them. He was hanging on until he no longer could.


    I sometimes think that the curse of this generation of Hong Kongers — those who are not already behind bars — is survivor’s guilt. How selfish is that, to want our lives to change or even improve, when there are so many in prison for rioting and political charges, when so many have died during the pandemic, when there are those who are forcibly exiled and will never see the waters of Hong Kong again? Years ago, before the 2019 protests, my friends and I stayed because we thought there were things we could still change about the city; then, after the protests ended and the national security law was implemented in 2020, we stayed in hopes of holding down the fort, of slowing the rate of political deterioration. These days, we stay only until circumstances no longer allow us to work or survive in this place. I know by now that my reasons won’t be professional or even political but personal: When the day comes that my support system is uprooted and scattered, it would be time for me to go too. That the arrival of this day feels now like a certainty makes each hour I still have left in this place — either around the dinner table pouring another drink for a friend or on a long, contemplative walk by the water — feel like stolen time.


    Peter has spoken about this with his friends in jail. “They told me, ‘If leaving Hong Kong is for your own personal development and happiness, then I’ll be happy for you,’” he says. Ho, in particular, told Peter not to feel that he owed them anything because they were on the inside. Now, he, too, is planning to leave Hong Kong this year. Peter didn’t have a British National Overseas visa and could not benefit from Britain’s visa scheme, so he and his wife are going to Canada (it was easy, he explained, to move their two cats there — there was no quarantine for animals, and they were allowed into cabins). For now, he’ll continue to write letters to his friends, many of whom have little idea when they will ever regain freedom.

    In early April, I left Hong Kong for the first time since the pandemic to take part in some work events in New York City. At the airport, it used to take minutes to scan and find your departure gate on the cluttered flight-information display system; now, it only listed 13 departing flights. After the government imposed a compulsory 21-day out-of-pocket hotel quarantine on incoming travelers — later downgraded to 14 and, eventually, seven — and banned entire flight routes, the Hong Kong International Airport swiftly lost its place as one of the busiest travel hubs in the world.


    In New York City, I ate my first real bagel — whitefish salad, larger than the size of my palm — and met up with scores of old friends. They told me it was sometimes difficult to keep in touch with friends back home, because they felt awkward talking about their new lives. News about Peter’s plans to move had reached them, and they were surprised: They thought he’d never leave. One evening, we were at dinner in the East Village, exchanging the latest gossip among the activist circles in the city and abroad, when I was struck by an odd wave of nostalgia: This was something we used to do in Hong Kong only three years ago.


    “Why don’t you just leave?” one friend asked me, and I could give no real answer. The Hong Kongers who are forced to leave now are the ones who may find the city closed to them forever. Unlike the emigration wave three decades ago, borders were no longer free for everyone: Because of the protest charges and the national security law, many people now face the possibility of arrest if they re-enter the city. It wasn’t leaving Hong Kong that was difficult; it was the thought of never coming back. By June, even though the pandemic outbreak had subsided and the streets are flooded once more with the boisterous sounds of the city, we only need to open the pages of the newspaper to see that another protester has been sent to prison for rioting over events in 2019. The crackdown continues to further extend its reach to every corner of society: Among those arrested recently is the 90-year-old Cardinal Joseph Zen over his involvement in a fund that offered support to protesters.


    After three decades in one place, I had become convinced that I was tethered to this city, first out of responsibility, then guilt. These days, I’m not sure what my attachment to Hong Kong is anymore. It used to be the people who made this place home for me, but in the months before leaving for New York, I had attended a dozen farewell dinners and made trips to the airport to exchange tearful good-byes with friends emigrating from the city. During the peak of COVID, these good-byes would be the only noise echoing through the empty halls of the Hong Kong International Airport. Wavincity, a local urban soundscape recording project, recently released two clips of field recordings of these moments at the departure terminal. The sounds they captured are quiet and unassuming but melancholic: the quick footsteps of children, the clang of suitcase wheels, airport announcements in the background, soft voices that say, “Come, let’s take a photograph” and “Thank you for coming to see us off today.”


    Right here, at this airport, were the last sounds they would hear from this city, and the final time they could call it home. They’d be gathering around a table for the warmth of company, in a faraway land, but there would always be someone missing. Maybe Hong Kong had been a dystopia, but it had been their dystopia. From then on, the city would be thought of in the past tense.

    The Dismantling of Hong Kong

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    Godfree Roberts is trying to distort the actual control that China has over Australian land.
    His figures were not misleading at all, and were accurate (after all, they didn't come from him and a trusty slide rule). Nonetheless, if you feel uneasy about foreign, or specifically Chinese, Leasehold investment in Australia, well I wouldn't be.


    What is the Agricultural Land Register and how does it work?

    The Register of Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land (the Agricultural Land Register) was established to provide more transparency about the level of foreign ownership of Australia’s agricultural land.

    An interest in agricultural land includes a freehold interest or the right to occupy land under a lease (including a sublease or licence) where the term of the lease or licence (including any extension or renewal) is reasonably likely to exceed five years.

    It is essential to note the register records foreign person entities that own a 20 per cent or more share in Australian farmland. This means there may also be a significant portion of Australian ownership in those same parcels of land.

    How much of Australia's land is owned by foreign countries?

    According to the 2019 Agricultural Land Register report, the total area of agricultural land in Australia with a level of foreign ownership has fallen from 52.6 million hectares at 30 June 2018 to 52.1 million hectares at 30 June 2019.

    Using the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) measure of total agricultural land area in Australia, the estimated proportion of agricultural land with a level of foreign interest at 30 June 2019 was 13.8 per cent.


    ....
    Chinese investment in Australia declined by 18 percent in 2020, from US$ 2.4 billion (A$3.4 billion) in 2019 to US$ 1.9 billion, which amounts to a decline of 26.8 percent.

    FULL- How much of Australia's land is owned by China?
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    ^^ Interesting article, thanks MK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    it all adds more to no-one trusting the murderous regime.
    The same to be said of the Russians. Both are despicable liars who should never be trusted.

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    Just think how much money the silly c u n t s could have saved if they'd just bought some proper vaccines.

    The sheer cost of China’s mass coronavirus-testing campaign since April is expected to exceed the full-year gross domestic product (GDP) of nations such as Iceland and Cambodia, while giving China’s economy a much-needed shot in the arm, according to analysts.

    An estimated 10.8 billion Covid-19 tests will be carried out in China during the April-June period, at a total cost of 174.6 billion yuan (US$26 billion), researchers with Soochow Securities said in a note on Sunday.

    China GDP: nearly 11 billion Covid tests seen giving economy a US$26 billion boost in second quarter | South China Morning Post


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    All gone quiet about this-

    • Eliminated extreme poverty.
    • Reached 98% home ownership.
    • Kept the Covid death rate at 0.6% of America’s.
    • Grew the economy by $2 trillion PPP, the fastest growth ever.
    • Became the richest country on earth.
    • Became the world’s biggest overseas investor.
    • Became the world’s largest movie market.
    • Produced one new billionaire and 300 millionaires every workday.
    • Completed new train lines in seven countries, including Laos’ first.
    • Ran 15,000 cargo trains to and from Europe, up 30% YoY.
    • Joined RCEP trade pact, with 30% of global GDP and 30% of the world’s population.
    • Sold $140 billion retail online in 24 hours (Amazon’s record is $5 billion).
    • Launched the first central bank digital currency.
    • Dominated scientific research and issued the most patents of any country.
    • Built three exascale computers to win the Gordon Bell prize.
    • Built a programmable quantum computer 10,000x faster than Google’s Sycamore.
    • Operated the first integrated, 3,000-mile, commercial, quantum communications network.
    • Brought online two gas-cooled Pebble Bed nuclear power plants.
    • Fired up two thorium-fueled reactors, eliminating uranium from power generation.
    • Released a Covid treatment that reduces hospitalizations and deaths 78%.
    • Made 55% of global energy savings.
    • Generated 1 terawatt of renewable energy.
    • Installed one-million 5G base stations, giving Tibet better 5G service than New York.
    • Communicated between satellites via lasers, 1,000x faster than radio waves.
    • Operated the world’s most powerful solid rocket engine, with 500 tonnes thrust.
    • Flew three hypersonic missiles around the planet.
    • Released a fractional orbital bombardment missile from another missile at 17,000 mph.
    • Simultaneously commissioned three warships, becoming the world’s biggest navy.

    Jeez, a government like that might well enjoy +90% Approval ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Jeez, a government like that might well enjoy +90% Approval ratings.
    Of course they do, like the rest of the shit you swallow, they can just make it up.

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    ^ Wow, you got something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    All gone quiet about this-
    Reached 98% home ownership.
    Sigh ... let's look at one of his 'facts'.

    The hyperlink takes you to this site ... China Is Likely First Country to Reach 96% Urban Home Ownership, PBOC Says

    Who is yicaiglobal.com ?

    Launched in August 2016, Yicai Global is the English-language news service of Yicai Media Group, the financial news arm of Shanghai Media Group, which is one of China's largest state-owned media conglomerates.

    What does the article actually say?
    China Is Likely First Country to Reach 96% Urban Home Ownership, PBOC Says
    So, according to his hyperlinked article, China MIGHT reach that level ... but he reports it as a 'fact'.

    That 'might' is reported by Yicai Global which is one of China's largest state-owned media conglomerates and reporting figures from the PBOC, The Peoples Bank of China. No conflicts of interest there

    Also in that quoted article is this gem ...
    The average wealth of (Chinese) urban households is CNY3.18 million (USD449,200)
    What other gems does Yicai Global report as a 'fact'?
    The US’s own Survey of Consumer Finances was last conducted by the Federal Reserve in 2016. If I adjust its findings for inflation, then median US household net worth was about USD104,000 in 2019. Thus, one can say that the typical US household is only about half as rich as the typical Chinese urban family.
    American Families Only Half as Rich as Those in Chinese Cities

    So, again,
    Godfree Roberts - He is SO FULL OF SHIT.

    The world beating article which exposes the West as a backwater received ZERO COMMENTS and, wait for it ... ONE LIKE.

    Christ, my Groundsman report to my local Little Athletics got 4 times as many likes, 2 comments ... and six people read it

    FFS man, get a grip.
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    OH, BTW, where is most of that Chinese wealth stored, in Real Estate.

    Where?

    The View, from China-18207898_303-jpg

    In one of Chinese many Ghost Cities.

    It's a straw man argument.

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    You can nitpick all you want Begrudger, but nobody can deny the astonishing Chinese economic miracle!

    • The astronomical GDP growth
    • The astronomical average income growth
    • The incredible technological development, in all arenas.
    • But the wine still sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    <snip> the astonishing Chinese economic miracle!

    • The astronomical GDP growth ... from $1 GDP to $3 GDP
    • The astronomical average income growth ... from $1/hr to $3/hr
    • The incredible technological development, almost all stolen from their Western business partners
    • But the wine still sucks ... but it's getting better with the Australian wine maker Penfolds producing locally
    ... FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    ... FTFY
    He lives in a false reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    From the FIRB, Total foreign held ..
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    'Ownership' refers to both 'Freehold' AND 'Leasehold'.
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    the largest, foreign controller
    Got any more interpretations.

    I suspect there is only one entity, that defines the terms and conditions of, foreign held, Ownership, foreign controller and any other terminology. Possibly Australian legislators have definitions of the relevant terms.

    Some legal definitions:

    Foreign-owned?


    foreign-owned. adjective. owned by a person or company from another country: Only a handful of firms in Russia are foreign-owned"

    Ownership:

    "the situation in which a person or organization owns all of something, or in which something is completely owned by a person or organization : He took full ownership of the securities depository for €1.6 billion."

    Foreign Control:







    Foreign control means one or more foreign persons have the authorityor ability to establish or direct the general policies or day-to-day operations of the firm.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Got any more interpretations.

    I suspect there is only one entity, that defines the terms and conditions of, foreign held, Ownership, foreign controller and any other terminology. Possibly Australian legislators have definitions of the relevant terms.
    No disrespect OhOh but your definitions above have little relevance when it comes to property ownership and control over lands.

    For a start, most land is Australia is not controlled by the 'Australian Government', but comes under the auspices of the different State Governments, and each of them have their own interpretations of what 'ownership' is.

    The exception to the State based land titles are the ACT (Australian Capital Territory) and the NT (Northern Territory) which do fall under the Australian or Commonwealth Government.

    Say, for example there was a property under lease and another property, next door was owned 'freehold', but the property with the lease on is a lease 'in perpetuity', essentially freehold, just not expressed as such.

    An example of which is a Sheraton Hotel I know which has a lease in perpetuity over some beachfront land. Technically it's 'leasehold', but that lease never expires so it's effectively freehold. But in sabang's chart, it would not be counted, but it should be.

    Then there is a lease which can be freeholded under certain circumstances.

    I'm not be disingenuous to you guys, but I've studied Real Estate Law and tenure at a University level.


    Oh, if you want to try and understand more, there are different levels of 'ownership' because the relevant State Governments 'own' the land at a higher level that an Individual or Corporation can ever hold.

    On the title deed, it usually says something along the lines of 'Estate in Fee Simple, Save the Crown', the Crown, in this case is the State Government.

    They use this higher level of ownership when they need to resume some land, for example they need to widen a freeway or build a dam or run some powerlines over 'your' land.

    Here is some extended reading ... View - Queensland Legislation - Queensland Government

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    No disrespect OhOh but your definitions above have little relevance
    Very little he says has any relevance. He's just a propaganda propagator.

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    If I was a sinophile on a mission to show the accomplishments of China I would be using the fact China is the biggest Aus land owner as a big plus.

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    Yeah because I'm sure Russia and the US haven't had anti-satellite technology for decades, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    No disrespect OhOh
    None taken, and thanks for a more complete/expert picture.

    You are suggesting there are multiple "definers" of land "ownership" in OZ. All have jurisdiction in their own patch, (australian states and territories), possibly others as well.

    Therefore, my statement, there is only one entity that defines ownership. In one particular location.

    Which suggests any OZ wide statement, in this case, Chinese citizens/government departments % of "ownership", is difficult to determine.

    I will stop here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I will stop here.

    Fucking brilliant, let's have a party to celebrate!


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    15 Jun, 2022 15:49 HomeWorld News

    China confirms water on the Moon

    H2O is present in the rocks gathered by the Chang'e-5 lunar lander, Chinese scientists have said.

    "Indications that water could be present in the rocks gathered by Chang'e 5 lander on the Moon have been confirmed by testing on Earth, Chinese scientists have reported. They've shared their findings in an article, published this week in the magazine Nature Communications.The lunar lander touched down on the Moon in December 2020, gathering some 1.7 kilograms (over 3.5lbs) of rocks and lunar soil, known as regolith.

    The craft also used its on-board instruments to measure the chemical composition of the samples that it collected.
    This data allowed Chinese researchers to suggest that molecules of water could be present at about 120 parts per million (ppm) in some type of moon rocks and at 180ppm in others.

    Now, a team from the Chinese Academy of Sciences has confirmed the presence of water in the samples by directly studying the cargo that Chang'e-5 brought back to Earth.

    The soil analyzed by the scientists turned out to be relatively dry – even by lunar standards – showing levels of water at 28.5 parts per million.
    However, they also discovered that the mineral apatite was among the samples to boast an H2O content of 179ppm, which was consistent with earlier forecasts.
    Telescope and satellite observations have long led scientists to suspect that water existed on the Moon, as either hydroxyl or H20 in the rocks.
    The hope is that cosmonauts and astronauts, colonizing Earth's satellite in the future, will be able to extract molecular oxygen and hydrogen out of the environment to produce water and pure oxygen for themselves."

    China confirms water on the Moon — RT World News

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