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    Japan raised their retirement age to 70 a couple of years ago. Anyone getting benefits between the age of 60-65 took a cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Any nation where folks are living longer and birth rate is lower has a problem. Less working folks to support retired folks means gov must find revenue to pay retirees and/or raise retirement age.

    It's a problem politically and economically.
    But for sabang it's some kind of notable achievement.

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    The ridiculous vicious circle has to stop.

    Breeding yet more people to pay for the ones that no longer contribute is leading mankind over a very obvious consumption cliff.

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    These indoctrinated and almost insignificant cultural comparatives [and superlatives] are quite reflective of a base character that is truly unsure of itself.
    The complexes of real inferiority are ignored and surely not recognized among the obsessed accusers.

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    What is odious- that Chinas life expectancy now exceeds that of the USA, or that US life expectancy has slipped below that of 'developing China' since the Covid pandemic?

    Whichever way you look at it, this is a very significant statistic in my book and even feeds into domestic US considerations, such as the lack of a universal healthcare system- unique among first world nations- and the apparent inability (Dem) or unwillingness (Rep) to do anything about it by the Federal gov't.

    What perhaps is most odious is that 'we' take every chance we can to criticise China in the MSM, such as Lockdowns- damned when they do, then damned when they don't- or Chinese vaccines, or overcrowded hospitals when they can find one, while completely ignoring the fact that their Covid policy has been far more effective than virtually every western nation. I remember when Melbourne was described as the most locked down city in the world- but I don't remember an unrelenting hailstorm of criticism from the media about it. Biased some?
    Last edited by sabang; 19-01-2023 at 02:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Biased some?
    Yes including China. It is what poltical leaders do to cover their fuck ups.
    If you were the average Joe in China you would be subject to heavy doses of China good west bad stuff on your daily news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    If you were the average Joe in China you would be subject to heavy doses of China good west bad stuff on your daily news.
    Ofcourse

    Different ball game, than two old TD posters dueling it out over China and trying to...."reason" with each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I remember when Melbourne was described as the most locked down city in the world- but I don't remember an unrelenting hailstorm of criticism from the media about it. Biased some?
    Probably because it was the one and only time, and not the 47th.

    *titter*

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    The population of Australia is less than that of Shanghai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The population of Australia is less than that of Shanghai.
    Looks like you might have just answered your own question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yes including China. It is what poltical leaders do to cover their fuck ups.
    If you were the average Joe in China you would be subject to heavy doses of China good west bad stuff on your daily news.
    That is definitely true. Pretty much every day the main evening news will have a good news story about China and later a piece about some dramatic building failure or train wreck or something from somewhere that is not China. Nothing untruthful in it.
    Meanwhile my friend in Shanghai, who is pretty much the average Joe-ess, has been telling me how important it is for Russia to win in Ukraine, because if they lose that means America will occupy Russia along the Chinese border. That is what people there are being told.

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    That is what happens when you deliberately try to split the world into two conflicting blocs. Me I don't see the point- 'cus we're now stuck with the lower growth minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    That is what happens when you deliberately try to split the world into two conflicting blocs.
    Wolf Warrior Diplomacy and Belt and Owed come to mind.

    China would be nothing today if not for the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post

    China would be nothing today if not for the West.
    Or....in a truer historical perspective, The West would be nothing if not for China [and other Eastern entities].

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    Why don't you go even further back in history Jeff? And fuck off when you get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Or....in a truer historical perspective, The West would be nothing if not for China [and other Eastern entities].
    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ^
    Why don't you go even further back in history Jeff? And fuck off when you get there.
    But, if we were to be truly honest, it's a Mutualism between China and various trading partners throughout the World economy?

    China stole Western ideas and the West prospered on the back of China's rise as a cheap manufacturing hub, increasing productivity and world inflation low.

    The West, desperate to gain a foothold on China's growth, allowed their innovations to be raped, for higher short term profit, which, in the short term is mutually beneficial, but in the longer term, disadvantageous to the West.

    The only gun China held to the West was their amazing market potential. A siren's song to a Western CEO with a 2-3 year bonus perspective. IMHO

    We, in the West West sat quietly by ... China is not to blame (this time)
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They've been locked in their tiny, rabbit hutch apartments, cocooned from any real threats, living out their miserable, controlled lives.
    The Chinese have their own apartments?

    Maybe this is preferable:

    Capsule living: a 'cheap' option for young people

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    "LOS ANGELES ― Kay Wilson packed up her life in a hurry and moved to Los Angeles… only to find that what she paid in Pennsylvania for a nice studio apartment would only get her a 2.9-square-meter box in California."

    Capsule living: a 'cheap' option for young people flocking to LA
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    ^ different from Japan?

    What is your point?


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    China stole Western ideas
    Chinkystan is still stealing western ideas. It's basically a thief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yes, I too am of the view that they should have 'opened up' sooner- bear in mind I lived in freewheeling, vibrant HK for 12 years, and I know for a fact the restrictions were really chafing there. But they didn't, and it is hard to knock their approach from a public health perspective. Of course it's an entirely different perspective if Big Biz rules the roost...
    I wish I'd spent some years living in China. I think it's a really interesting country. I'm pleased their life expectancy is now at first world levels. I think life expectancy is an important metric as to how a country is going. If it was falling over many years in my country, that would be pretty disappointing.

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    First World​.....??

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    China stole Western ideas
    Or

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The West, desperate to gain a foothold on China's growth, allowed their innovations to be raped
    The agreement suited both countries. Overtaking the past leaders by educating their citizens better. Delivering to their citizens measurable advances. Along with better choices of allies.

    Now it has become obvious who has retained the advantages.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    China is not to blame (this time)
    Which time was it to blame? The Mongol hoards, The British Navy, The Japanese invasion....

    Or are you suggesting China will be to blame by defending itself against a currently dissolving states attack, in the future?
    Last edited by OhOh; 19-01-2023 at 11:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Or are you suggesting China will be to blame by defending itself against a currently dissolving states attack, in the future?
    What, you mean like it "defends itself" against Tibet, Hong Kong and the Uighurs?


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    DPP’s ‘anti-mainland card’ fails, wider division expected as secessionist resigns as head of island’s ‘executive body’


    By Wang Qi


    and Xu Yelu Published: Jan 19, 2023 09:05 PM Updated: Jan 20, 2023 07:02 PM

    "The head of Taiwan island's executive body Su Tseng-chang announced on Thursday that his team will resign en masse, and his resignation is pending approval from the regional leader Tsai Ing-wen, Taiwan-based media outlets have reported.

    Cross-Straits observers say they believe the resignation of the diehard secessionist who has poisoned cross-Straits relations, along with his decreasing popularity, highlights the fiasco of the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)'s strategy of "resisting the Chinese mainland and protecting Taiwan." With Su's resignation and Tsai's earlier resignation as head of the DPP, the secessionist party's internal divisions are expected to intensify.

    Su made the announcement after the region's "legislature" approved the general budget for fiscal 2023 and closed for winter recess on Thursday. Following the approval of the budget, he met with Tsai and again tendered his resignation after an earlier offer to resign was turned down.

    Su is a diehard Taiwan secessionist who was put on a sanctions list by the Chinese mainland in November 2021, according to the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council.

    After the DPP was defeated in the 2022 local "elections" in Taiwan, there were growing calls on the island for a reshuffle of the administrative affairs agency. Su's resignation has triggered a power struggle within the DPP and affected the party's positioning for the regional "election" in 2024, local media reported. ..."


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    DPP’s ‘anti-mainland card’ fails, wider division expected as secessionist resigns as head of island’s ‘executive body’ - Global Times
    China makes progress in agricultural technology innovation: official


    By Global Times Published: Jan 18, 2023 09:03 PM

    "China's agricultural science and technology innovation entered the world's forefront in 2022, with agricultural technology' contribution in total farm output reaching 62.4 percent, another solid step toward self-reliance, a senior official said on Wednesday.

    "Last year, we launched projects to achieve breakthroughs in core agricultural technologies and key projects of seed and plant breeding, with breakthroughs in nurturing of core seeds as well as agricultural mechanization in hilly areas," Zeng Yande, an official from the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs, told a press conference.

    He said that some of China's innovations led the world. China bred a new beef cattle variant called Huaxi for which the nation possesses the intellectual property, while a self-developed new broiler chicken variant has taken 15 percent of the country's market share, according to Zeng.

    China is accumulating "strategic technological power" by nurturing more agricultural talent and improving key innovation platforms and systems. The country has established 60 national-level farm technological innovation alliances, Zeng said.

    In order to stabilize agricultural production and ensure grain supply, nearly 1 million agricultural field professionals have provided consultancy to increase the yields of important agricultural products, according to Zeng.

    A total of 1,557 experts were dispatched to 160 counties that needed help to achieve rural revitalization."


    China makes progress in agricultural technology innovation: official - Global Times




    China to allocate more funding to support key new basic infrastructure projects


    By Global Times Published: Jan 18, 2023 09:24 PM

    "China will allocate new funding under the central government's budget around the Spring Festival holidays to support the construction of key basic infrastructure projects this year, especially information networks in remote regions in the central and western areas, an official of China's top economic planner said on Wednesday.

    The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) vowed to work with relevant parties to guide more social capital into these projects, using measures including policy-oriented development financial tools and medium- to long-term loans for the manufacturing industry, NDRC official Jin Xiandong said at a press conference.

    Chinese authorities will support local governments' investment in new basic infrastructure through special-purpose bonds, and help localities build platforms for public technology services and digital transformation.

    "New basic infrastructure is an important component of modern basic infrastructure, and an important foundation to promote social digital transformation, intelligent upgrades and integrated innovation," Jin said. He said that the construction of new basic infrastructure had built up great momentum in recent years, becoming an important driver in stabilizing investment, benefiting people's livelihoods and facilitating growth.

    With China on a firm recovery trajectory this year, observers said that investment and consumption will play a growing role in the economy, cushioning the country against a possible global recession and other external headwinds."


    China to allocate more funding to support key new basic infrastructure projects - Global Times
    China-US talks only ended because US treasury secretary 'had to catch flight': media report


    By Global Times Published: Jan 20, 2023 01:55 AM

    "Talks between Chinese Vice Premier Liu He and US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen in Zurich this week would have lasted longer if the US official hadn't needed to catch a flight, according to exclusive details revealed on Thursday by Yuyuan Tantian, a social media account affiliated with state broadcaster CCTV.

    The Zurich meeting, which was held on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, lasted about three hours, longer than scheduled, Yuyuan Tantian said, citing details noticed by a CCTV reporter on site.

    The reporter shared some further details about the talks, saying it was noticeable that the US side had taken a proactive attitude to the meeting by granting a longer time for reporters to film the opening remarks.

    The US side was responsible for arranging the venue and filming of the meeting and journalists were given seven to eight minutes to film the interactions between the two sides, a lot longer compared with the usual one to two minutes, the reporter added.

    It was the first face-to-face talk between Liu and Yellen since Yellen assumed her post as US Treasury Secretary, although they have held three virtual meetings since mid-2021. It also marked the first time that reporters were able to observe the real state of communication between the two sides.

    The atmosphere of the talks was also very harmonious, according to the CCTV reporter. The talks came a day after China announced to the world that its economy would return to normal growth in 2023.

    In response to the world's queries, China has responded confidently and frankly that it will not move toward a planned economy, but rather will remain open to the outside world, the report said.

    "Openness is exactly what China-US relations need," Yuyuan Tantian commented."

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202301/1284123.shtml

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    Is there much hope Winnie the Pooh will chill out and become less controlling and confrontational? If I was him, the legacy I'd want to leave would be improved living standards and governance. I'd also want to be able to retire without worrying about the next guy coming for me or my family. That doesn't seem to be Xi.

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