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    Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions

    Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions


    I love how everyone's just pretending the Afghanistan Papers never happened and the Taliban takeover is some kind of shocking tragedy instead of the thing everyone knew would happen because they've been knowingly lying about working to create a stable government this entire time.

    If the US had a free press and was anything like a democracy, the government wouldn't be getting away with squandering thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a twenty-year war which accomplished literally nothing besides making assholes obscenely wealthy.

    Thousands of human lives. Trillions of dollars. If western mass media were anything remotely resembling what they purport to be, they would be making sure the public understands how badly their government just fucked them. Instead it's just "Oh no, those poor Afghan women."

    War apologists talk about "doing nothing" like that's somehow worse than creating mountains of human corpses for power and profit. "We've got to DO SOMETHING about the Taliban! We can't just do NOTHING!"

    Uhh, yes you can. Please for the love of God do nothing. Doing nothing would be infinitely better than more military interventionism in a nation you've already tortured for twenty years for no valid reason.

    People who think US interventionism solves problems just haven't gone through the mountains upon mountains of evidence that it definitely definitely does not at all. Nobody honestly believes the US needs to invade every nation in the world with illiberal cultural values; they only think that way with Afghanistan due to war propaganda. And women's lives in Afghanistan have still been shit under the occupation.

    They had twenty years to build a stable nation in Afghanistan. Twenty years. If you believe that's what they were really trying to do there, or that results would be any different if you gave them twenty more, you're a fucking moron.

    Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix | Scoop News

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    Another "insight", into the world of Afghanistan.

    An introduction of the current situation, an overview of The Pashtun way of life and an opinion of the recent failures by various empires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    An opinion piece from a blogspot, since when was that considered to be News?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions


    I love how everyone's just pretending the Afghanistan Papers never happened and the Taliban takeover is some kind of shocking tragedy instead of the thing everyone knew would happen because they've been knowingly lying about working to create a stable government this entire time.

    If the US had a free press and was anything like a democracy, the government wouldn't be getting away with squandering thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a twenty-year war which accomplished literally nothing besides making assholes obscenely wealthy.

    Thousands of human lives. Trillions of dollars. If western mass media were anything remotely resembling what they purport to be, they would be making sure the public understands how badly their government just fucked them. Instead it's just "Oh no, those poor Afghan women."

    War apologists talk about "doing nothing" like that's somehow worse than creating mountains of human corpses for power and profit. "We've got to DO SOMETHING about the Taliban! We can't just do NOTHING!"

    Uhh, yes you can. Please for the love of God do nothing. Doing nothing would be infinitely better than more military interventionism in a nation you've already tortured for twenty years for no valid reason.

    People who think US interventionism solves problems just haven't gone through the mountains upon mountains of evidence that it definitely definitely does not at all. Nobody honestly believes the US needs to invade every nation in the world with illiberal cultural values; they only think that way with Afghanistan due to war propaganda. And women's lives in Afghanistan have still been shit under the occupation.

    They had twenty years to build a stable nation in Afghanistan. Twenty years. If you believe that's what they were really trying to do there, or that results would be any different if you gave them twenty more, you're a fucking moron.

    Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix | Scoop News
    I have no argument with some feelings behind this article, but it does sound like teenage angst against everything. If only world was so simple. The narrative is, as always, US is bad, etc. But it isn't even half funny, it's nasty to mention girls and women who have had million times more freedom after US and UK involvement and who now have just lost that freedom in part because of clueless US president. Shame on you Biden!

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    The narrative is, as always, US is bad, etc.
    Really? Is that the narrative? That is not what I am reading in MSM. Where is the Accountability???


    squandering thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a twenty-year war which accomplished literally nothing besides making assholes obscenely wealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    part because of clueless US president. Shame on you Biden!
    You are an utter moron and have been proving it all over the forum of late. It was the fat orange turd that sent Pompeo off to negotiate a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, not Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Really? Is that the narrative? That is not what I am reading in MSM. Where is the Accountability???
    Accountability? People are dying

    "squandering thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a twenty-year war which accomplished literally nothing besides making assholes obscenely wealthy."

    is my point exactly - this is so much a simplification of everything that happened it is an insult to people who served there and died or live on with PSTD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You are an utter moron and have been proving it all over the forum of late. It was the fat orange turd that sent Pompeo off to negotiate a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, not Biden.
    Sure. But this is today and this happens now.

    Btw I'm bored being accused of being Trump supporter, maybe I should fok',.n become one then

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    Remembering 1960s Afghanistan, the photographs of Bill Podlich

    “In the spring of 1968, my family took a public, long-distance, Afghan bus through the Khyber Pass to visit Pakistan (Peshawar and Lahore). The road was rather bumpy in that direction, too. As I recall, it was somewhat harrowing at certain points with a steep drop off on one side and a mountain straight up on the other! I remember that, before we left Kabul, my father paid for a young man to go around the bus with a smoking censor to bless the bus or ward off the evil eye. I guess it worked – we had a safe trip.” – Peg Podlich.
    Peg Podlich (Right). “I grew up in Tempe, AZ, and when my dad offered my younger sister, Jan, and me the chance to go with him and our mother to Afghanistan, I was excited about the opportunity. I would spend my senior year in high school in some exotic country, not in ordinary Tempe… Of course, there were loads of cultural differences between Arizona and Afghanistan, but I had very interesting and entertaining experiences. People always seemed friendly and helpful. I never got into any real difficulties or scrapes, even though I was a fairly clueless teenager! Times were more gentle back then.” – Peg Podlich.



    By PATRICK TRAYLOR | ptraylor@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
    PUBLISHED: January 28, 2013 at 2:08 p.m. | UPDATED: February 8, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.

    In 1967, Dr. William Podlich took a two-year leave of absence from teaching at Arizona State University and began a stint with UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) to teach in the Higher Teachers College in Kabul, Afghanistan, where he served as the “Expert on Principles of Education.” His wife Margaret and two daughters, Peg and Jan, came with him. Then teenagers, the Podlich sisters attended high school at the American International School of Kabul, which catered to the children of American and other foreigners living and working in the country.

    Outside of higher education, Dr. Podlich was a prolific amateur photographer and he documented his family’s experience and daily life in Kabul, rendering frame after frame of a serene, idyllic Afghanistan. Only about a decade before the 1979 Soviet invasion, Dr. Podlich and his family experienced a thriving, modernizing country. These images, taken from 1967-68, show a stark contrast to the war torn scenes associated with Afghanistan today.

    “When I look at my dad’s photos, I remember Afghanistan as a country with thousands of years of history and culture,” recalls Peg Podlich. “It has been a gut-wrenching experience to watch and hear about the profound suffering, which has occurred in Afghanistan during the battles of war for nearly 40 years. Fierce and proud yet fun loving people have been beaten down by terrible forces.”

    More of Dr. Podlich’s images are available on a website maintained by Peg’s husband Clayton Esterson. “I have taken on the role as family archivist and when Bill Podlich gave us his extensive slide collection, I immediately recognized the historical significance of the pictures.” says Esterson. “Many Afghans have written comments [on the website] showing their appreciation for the photographs that show what their country was like before 33 years of war. This makes the effort to digitize and restore these photographs worthwhile.”





    “In the spring of 1968, my family took a public, long-distance, Afghan bus through the Khyber Pass to visit Pakistan (Peshawar and Lahore). The road was rather bumpy in that direction, too. As I recall, it was somewhat harrowing at certain points with a steep drop off on one side and a mountain straight up on the other! I remember that, before we left Kabul, my father paid for a young man to go around the bus with a smoking censor to bless the bus or ward off the evil eye. I guess it worked – we had a safe trip.” – Peg Podlich.



    Dr. William Podlich
    Peg Podlich, in the sun glasses, taking a family trip on a bus going from Kabul, Afghanistan to Peshawar, Pakistan.

    Students at the Higher Teachers College of Kabul where Dr. Podlich, the photographer, worked and taught for two year’s with the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.
    More photos from the life under the Afghan govt supported by the USSR - before they were asked to come and help - in vain...

    Remembering 1960s Afghanistan, the photographs of Bill Podlich – The Denver Post

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    Afghanistan As It Once Was: The Photographs Of William Podlich

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    Btw I'm bored being accused of being Trump supporter
    It is clear that you are troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    Accountability? People are dying

    "squandering thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a twenty-year war which accomplished literally nothing besides making assholes obscenely wealthy."

    is my point exactly - this is so much a simplification of everything that happened it is an insult to people who served there and died or live on with PSTD
    Bush and Cheney insulted the people who served and died there by sending them on a mission that was intended purely for financial gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    An opinion piece from a blogspot, since when was that considered to be News?
    SOP from Hoohoo, posting witless blogs because he agrees with them and for no other reason.

    It's his sort of "Look, another whackjob agrees with me!".

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    So how many girls did we save, 'arry codswallop? Just asking like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    An opinion piece from a blogspot, since when was that considered to be News?
    It's OhNo, so since always

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So how many girls did we save, 'arry codswallop? Just asking like.
    What on earth are you wittering on about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Bush and Cheney insulted the people who served and died there by sending them on a mission that was intended purely for financial gain.
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So how many girls did we save, 'arry codswallop? Just asking like.
    Tonight on 'Non sequitur of The Century...'

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You are an utter moron and have been proving it all over the forum of late. It was the fat orange turd that sent Pompeo off to negotiate a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, not Biden.
    You forgot to mention Biden had every right to rip up that agreement as the Taliban had already broken the terms of that agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You forgot to mention Biden had every right to rip up that agreement as the Taliban had already broken the terms of that agreement.
    Have you actually read that agreement, RPETER65? I have, and I cannot see which terms in it that have been broken. Which terms do you think have been broken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    Sure. But this is today and this happens now.

    Btw I'm bored being accused of being Trump supporter, maybe I should fok',.n become one then

    Its not about partisan politics. Trumps pullout would have looked no different. The blame lies with the permanent bureaucracy. The kind of people you cant vote out. You cant vote out imperial idiocy. Didn't work with Obama or Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What on earth are you wittering on about?
    sabang's just pulling his tongue out of Taliban arse, it's not easy being an apologist for these people.




    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Its not about partisan politics. Trumps pullout would have looked no different.
    Quite right and well said - deserves a green

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    Personally, I'm a huge supporter of The Don. I prefer transparency and I don't like corruption and juvenile game playing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    I prefer transparency and I don't like corruption and juvenile game playing..
    Not possible to prefer these things and be a supporter of the orange moron who had the most corrupt administration in US history. But then again, most of you trumpanzees have your heads up your asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Personally, I'm a huge supporter of The Don. I prefer transparency and I don't like corruption and juvenile game playing..
    Well there's a fucking paradox if ever I've seen one!


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