Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions

**helge** · 01-09-2021, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by helge

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**Klondyke** · 01-09-2021, 10:44 AM

Is this one example that somebody here said the population do not want the war(s)?

Anyway, this is saying it very clearly...

Bring All the Troops Home: Stop Policing the Globe and Put an End to Endless Wars

By John W. Whitehead & Nisha Whitehead
August 31, 2021

John Whitehead

“Let us resolve that never again will we send the precious young blood of this country to die trying to prop up a corrupt military dictatorship abroad. This is also the time to turn away from excessive preoccupation overseas to the rebuilding of our own nation. America must be restored to a proper role in the world. But we can do that only through the recovery of confidence in ourselves…. together we will call America home to the ideals that nourished us from the beginning.”—George S. McGovern, former Senator and presidential candidate

It’s time to bring all our troops home.

Bring them home from Somalia, Iraq and Syria. Bring them home from Germany, South Korea and Japan. Bring them home from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Oman. Bring them home from Niger, Chad and Mali. Bring them home from Turkey, the Philippines, and northern Australia.

It’s not enough to pull American troops out of Afghanistan, America’s longest, bloodiest and most expensive war to date.

It’s time that we stop policing the globe, stop occupying other countries, and stop waging endless wars.

That’s not what’s going to happen, of course.

The U.S. military reportedly has more than 1.3 million men and women on active duty, with more than 200,000 of them stationed overseas in nearly every country in the world.

Those numbers are likely significantly higher in keeping with the Pentagon’s policy of not fully disclosing where and how many troops are deployed for the sake of “operational security and denying the enemy any advantage.” As investigative journalist David Vine explains, “Although few Americans realize it, the United States likely has more bases in foreign lands than any other people, nation, or empire in history.”

Don’t fall for the propaganda, though.

America’s military forces aren’t being deployed abroad to protect our freedoms here at home. Rather, they’re being used to guard oil fields, build foreign infrastructure and protect the financial interests of the corporate elite. In fact, the United States military spends about $81 billion a year just to protect oil supplies around the world.

The reach of America’s military empire includes close to 800 bases in as many as 160 countries, operated at a cost of more than $156 billion annually. As Vine reports, “Even US military resorts and recreation areas in places like the Bavarian Alps and Seoul, South Korea, are bases of a kind. Worldwide, the military runs more than 170 golf courses.”

This is how a military empire occupies the globe.

After 20 years of propping up Afghanistan to the tune of trillions of dollars and thousands of lives lost, the U.S. military may have finally been forced out, but those troops represent just a fraction of our military presence worldwide.

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The Rutherford Institute :: Bring All the Troops Home: Stop Policing the Globe and Put an End to Endless Wars | By John W. Whitehead & Nisha Whitehead |

**panama hat** · 01-09-2021, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Is this one example that somebody here said the population do not want the war(s)?

Try that again in English

**OhOh** · 01-09-2021, 05:18 PM

1. ISLAMIC EMIRATE OF AFGHANISTAN open for business:

Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions-ofb-jpg

2. Qatar moving up.

Rise and rise of Qatar in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan

August 31, 2021 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

Rise and rise of Qatar in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan - Indian Punchline

**sabang** · 01-09-2021, 05:26 PM

I could think of much worse mentors.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-09-2021, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

1. ISLAMIC EMIRATE OF AFGHANISTAN open for business:

So who's the Emir?

**panama hat** · 02-09-2021, 05:04 AM

I thought they'd be an Islamic country, not an emirate . . . is this OhWoe's lies again?

**sabang** · 04-09-2021, 06:10 AM

Perhaps, as we blunder and are manipulated so blindly into our future, we should learn a bit more from our past. A lot more. Good article this one, I have pasted it in part:-

Following World War Two, Europe was reeling from the devastation of many years of savagery and it seemed it might never recover. The civilian casualty figures are staggering, with, in addition to the Soviet Union’s some 17 million, about three million were killed in Germany and six million in Poland. 450,000 died in each of France and Romania, 1.4 million in Yugoslavia, and 150,000 in each of Austria and Italy. The surviving citizens in all European countries continued to suffer gravely from the catastrophe, not the least hazard being actual starvation.

The war-winning United States had only a handful of civilian casualties and prospered greatly from the commercial demands of conflict. In consequence, it was in a position of immeasurable economic and military ascendancy and fortunately was governed by an administration that, by and large, was sympathetic and prepared to be supportive in alleviating the misery of the countless millions in Europe who seemed to have nothing in their future but endless hardship.

President Truman and his State Department brought their considerable talents to bear and constructed a scheme whereby shattered Europe could be best assisted. As noted by the History website, the 1948 European Recovery Plan was “The brainchild of Secretary of State George C Marshall, for whom it was named.” It was “crafted as a four-year plan to reconstruct cities, industries and infrastructure heavily damaged during the war and to remove trade barriers between European neighbors — as well as foster commerce between those countries and the United States.” In its final essence it didn’t entail a great deal of actual sacrifice on the part of the US, and in fact, benefitted the agricultural community and the massive industrial furnace that had been so effective in winning the war.

Nevertheless it was based on goodwill, charitable feeling, and concern for humanity, as expressed by Marshall himself in June 1947 in a speech delivered at Harvard University where he declared “It is logical that the United States should do whatever it is able to do to assist in the return of normal economic health in the world, without which there can be no political stability and no assured peace. Our policy is directed not against any country or doctrine but against hunger, poverty, desperation, and chaos. Its purpose should be the revival of a working economy in the world so as to permit the emergence of political and social conditions in which free institutions can exist.”

If only there had been more Marshalls in later years, the world would be a better place. Certainly, the United States would be in a position of international economic supremacy — but it wouldn’t have invaded and almost destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq and blitzed Libya into an even worse shambles than it created further east.

When Will They Ever Learn? Out of Afghanistan, Into the Mire - CounterPunch.org

Dontcha reckon we all looked, felt, and did better for ourselves when we helped construct and reconstruct countries, not destroy them? Warmongers excepted.

(The article omits mention of the Japanese reconstruction btw- equally noble, benighted, and mutually beneficial). To me, America's finest hour.

Should we learn from these examples, or the debacles of the current century?

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 06:28 AM

I for one would agree with all you above^, might be about time the USA bring all of their troops and equipment home,from every country,all of that money could be spent on the citizens.

**sabang** · 04-09-2021, 08:48 AM

All- won't happen, and you know it. But many- damn good idea. Large parts of merka could do with a bit of a spruce up!

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 09:10 AM

And they will be first to whinge about Trump kicking NATO's ass into gear, He should have kicked the UN's ass out too after they appointed Saudi to woman's rights. What a bunch of hypocrites.

**sabang** · 04-09-2021, 09:24 AM

OK, but never forget- good housekeeping starts at Home!

**DC101** · 04-09-2021, 10:22 AM

Your method of America turning inside not caring about the outside world is flawed. Like the British Empire before, as the single most powerful superpower US is responsible for everything happening on their watch. It's the 'one's' burden. You, Klondyke, would never have fought against Nazi Germany because it didnt' happen in US, sure. Then if the British didn't stop the Nazis they would have developed a nuclear weapon and after a few nuclear strikes US would have surrendered to Germany. But that didn't happen because of many good men and women fought for your freedom and you didn't need to learn German

**panama hat** · 04-09-2021, 10:24 AM

Double post

**panama hat** · 04-09-2021, 10:26 AM

And there we have, in a nutshell, a moron's view of history. Also, being Czech Klongdick probably can speak German along with Czech, possibly Slovak and Russian, whereas you . . . yea - middling English at best.

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by DC101

Your method of America turning inside not caring about the outside world is flawed. Like the British Empire before, as the single most powerful superpower US is responsible for everything happening on their watch. It's the 'one's' burden. You, Klondyke, would never have fought against Nazi Germany because it didnt' happen in US, sure. Then if the British didn't stop the Nazis they would have developed a nuclear weapon and after a few nuclear strikes US would have surrendered to Germany. But that didn't happen because of many good men and women fought for your freedom and you didn't need to learn German

Kinda like the "defund the police" crap going on, after a few months they complain about rising crime. Maybe the USA should pull everything they have back home for a few years and see how Japan, Germany & EU, Sth Korea and the rest like it.

**Klondyke** · 04-09-2021, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by havnfun

I for one would agree with all you above^, might be about time the USA bring all of their troops and equipment home,from every country,all of that money could be spent on the citizens.

Then, try to estimate how much the unemployment figures would increase?

**DC101** · 04-09-2021, 10:51 AM

Exactly... Now Japan and S Korea depend on US but they still pay their way and are good allies, but EU a freeloader and totally up for grabs for Russians if US and UK leave... like the Russian controlled EU Parliament and EU "leadership" and Nazi flags in European Union lobby oh sorry it was because of cultural diversity wtf. Full hate to EU. Hey who are they working for? SRV?

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Then, try to estimate how much the unemployment figures would increase?

Fuck yeah, all of those service, catering, food, building maintenance on and on, then what the service members contribute, like beer and bourbon&cokes and shopping for a souvenir for the missus back home.

**panama hat** · 04-09-2021, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by DC101

you didn't need to learn German

Originally Posted by panama hat

And there we have, in a nutshell, a moron's view of history.

Originally Posted by DC101

Full hate to EU.

And added to a moron's view of history we have a moron's view of the EU and NATO

Originally Posted by havnfun

Maybe the USA should pull everything they have back home for a few years and see how Japan, Germany & EU, Sth Korea and the rest like it.

You do realise who wants the troops stationed there more . . . yes, it's the US.

Originally Posted by havnfun

Fuck yeah, all of those service, catering, food, building maintenance on and on, then what the service members contribute, like beer and bourbon&cokes and shopping for a souvenir for the missus back home.

Trying to make sense of this but there isn't any to be made. What do you think the US will do with the 100s of thousands of troops back on home soil? Decommission. Great, 100s of thousands of trained killers roaming the streets unemployed. Good thinking.

**sabang** · 04-09-2021, 12:23 PM

you didn't need to learn German

Actually, Russian. Why would the brits be speaking german when the krauts would be speaking russian?
Thanks for your altruism, but everyone sees through yer bullshit. How many girls schools did you build in 20 years in Afghanistan?

**Klondyke** · 04-09-2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

What do you think the US will do with the 100s of thousands of troops back on home soil?

"100s of thousands"? How many times more? Plus the vets from the previous wars (if still alive).

What to do with them?
Perhaps they could help with the disasters at home, fires, hurricanes, floods... The necessary needed gear is surely available - if not left behind at the other side of the world - and can be made use of...

**panama hat** · 04-09-2021, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

"100s of thousands"? How many times more? Plus the vets from the previous wars (if still alive).

There are roughly 170.000 Americans stationed outside the US.

Originally Posted by sabang

but everyone sees through yer bullshit.

Imagine being that thick . . . it's almost chico-esque

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Trying to make sense of this but there isn't any to be made. What do you think the US will do with the 100s of thousands of troops back on home soil? Decommission. Great, 100s of thousands of trained killers roaming the streets unemployed. Good thinking.

PH, if i'm wrong tell me, that the US taxpayer pays the service men and women that are stationed OS. It would make no difference if they are OS or at home,(no need to retire anyone) might even make a strong emergency response force in cases like Ida and flooding and tornadoes.

**havnfun** · 04-09-2021, 12:41 PM

^ And the border, just imagine US troops patrolling the southern border

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