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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well speaking personally, I'm glad we have a range of opinions on the forum- and the freedom to express them. Otherwise, what are we but a propaganda tool?
    But they're not opinions where Klondick and OhNo are concerned. It's just propaganda that they regurgitate while demonstrating an unwillingness/fear of saying anything to upset the party.

    And the irony is that you talk of freedom of expression when you, Klongdick and Ohno would be locked up for doing the same in the countries whose cocks you suck.

    You're one of the better ones IMHO, but the lot of you are still a total joke when all is said and done with your brainwashed views and/or hypocrisy.

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    My turn to say . . . I agree with all of the above ^, Hal's post.

    Having a differing opinion is perfect - just being contrarian for the sake of it - like you many times - is tedious and simply being a completely one-sided propaganda tool is another,
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    propaganda tool?
    We have two propaganda tools here - Klongdick and OhWoe.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm glad we have a range of opinions on the forum
    Most every poster here has "a range of opinions", your two whackhead mates don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post

    Most every poster here has "a range of opinions", your two whackhead mates don't.
    Indeed.

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    Mr. Starr was mostly right in saying "war, what is it good for, absolutely nothing!"
    Annual military spending worldwide has reached $2 trillion per annum for the first time ever. Even during this global pandemic every nation with only a few exceptions have increased military spending. Even though bad for the vast majority, clearly war is good for some. Few will be enriched. Most will die and/or pay for war.

    When folks really stop believing thier nations are justified making war, the world will be better off for it.

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Annual military spending worldwide has reached $2 trillion per annum for the first time ever.
    How much of that is the US?

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    $778 bil but all going up.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Mental. Just look at the pie chart!

    Reds under the bed etc

    Has it ever occurred to the US that it could achieve much more with dialogue and actually investing in supporting people? Crazy of me to suggest such "liberal ideas" I know, but...
    Last edited by hallelujah; 30-08-2021 at 07:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Reds under the bed etc
    Indeed . . . in this case 'they' aren't under the bed anymore with 261 billion

    Crazy numbers, simply crazy

    For our special friends sabang, OhWoe, Klondick and socal:

    Yes. USA much more than anyone. This is bad. Very bad. Humongously bad. The worst. And it's stupid considering how much the money is needed in other areas.



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    They'll always find a new bogeyman, hatty.

    Huanglo (jeff) has mentioned it on here a few times and he's bang on. There's gotta be a bogeyman in the room.

    The crux of the matter is that business is good for many when the US is at war. Murder is money.

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    (and I'm not excusing ourselves, the UK, for the part we have played either. Disgraceful.)

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    Imagine if the US could reduce it's military expenditure to, say, 25% of global expenditure. What productive purpose could that money be put to- as opposed to what has actually been done with it? I'm surprised the American people are not more vociferous about this- but considering both parties are equally guilty, I suppose it is not a partisan political issue.

    ^ I'm aussie, too. No ally has followed the US into more wars. America is our ally, but also our close friend. That has not changed, but I think just giving our politicians carte blanche to tag along with the US into any war, no matter how ill advised, and no matter how little it actually has to do with us, surely must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Imagine if the US could reduce it's military expenditure to, say, 25% of global expenditure. What productive purpose could that money be put to- as opposed to what has actually been done with it? I'm surprised the American people are not more vociferous about this- but considering both parties are equally guilty, I suppose it is not a partisan political issue.

    ^ I'm aussie, too. No ally has followed the US into more wars. America is our ally, but also our close friend. That has not changed, but I think just giving our politicians carte blanche to tag along with the US into any war, no matter how ill advised, and no matter how little it actually has to do with us, surely must.
    I agree with everything you say, sabang. Especially the ambivalence of the US public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    They'll always find a new bogeyman, hatty.
    Absolutely.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm surprised the American people are not more vociferous about this
    You've never been to the US? Every house a flag . . . every decrepit house two flags. USA t-shirts, wife-beaters and bumper stickers.

    It is anathema to us, non-Americans.

    See the US gun culture. Power. Bullying. Bully your spouse. Bully your neighbour. Bully other countries. Only once has the US been punched in the mouth on home soil (and no, Hawaii doesn't count as it was a colony until 1959) and just now are they pulling out of the response.

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    I lived and worked in NYC, and have been to the US more times than I can count. Think you knew that already. The America I knew and experienced is a good place, and that includes the people. But it's like "Us and Them" over there. The inequality and racial segregation is problematic to me. I still prefer my nanny state.



    Anyway, bin playing this lately-


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I lived and worked in NYC
    Yes, of course . . . I meant suburbia. Should have made that clear. The flags start where inner city stops.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The America I knew and experienced is a good place, and that includes the people
    Absolutely, goes without saying . . . until it needs to be said that you and I have very little in common with a large proportion of the population . . . sooooooooeeeeeeee


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The inequality and racial segregation is problematic to me.
    Yes, it's still apparent and shouldn't be . . . but the have-nots still believe they can all be rich and/or president one day


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I still prefer my nanny state.
    And me my three - 100-Prozent, Strewth and Suxis end Sivins.


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    Thank you . . . listening to it now

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Imagine if the US could reduce it's military expenditure to, say, 25% of global expenditure. What productive purpose could that money be put to- as opposed to what has actually been done with it?
    Not intending to justify US military spending but all members behind the teak doors can and should question their own nations spend and how much better use money saved could be used. Yep USA spends way more than any other but as a % of gdp far from the highest.

    • Military spending as GDP share by country 2020 | Statista

    Point is guys no matter our nationality we are being fucked by our elected governments and the military industrial establishment that heavily fund our elections.

    Every $ spent to kill folks is a $ that can't be spent to make lives better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Not intending to justify US military spending but all members behind the teak doors can and should question their own nations spend and how much better use money saved could be used. Yep USA spends way more than any other but as a % of gdp far from the highest.
    True, but to what use is it put by others? Saudi Arabia, Israel and Russia are ahead in the per gdp game. Hardly paragons of virtue . . . but still more peaceful than the US. As for far from the top - fourth.

    Statistics are wonderful things.

    Again, we see Russia - an impoverished nation - plowing a massive amount of funds it can ill afford into their military.


    Israel says toda rabah or throws the US an a dank . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I disagree. Where others have a wide range of points of view, he has a mono-brow version.
    He is a ....contrarian ?

    Still; he knows stuff
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    Everyone here criticises their own country and its actions as well as others. Klongdick and OhWoe don't
    Except that Klondyke originates from Checkoslovakia, and left from there 1980 (?), I have no idea where they are from.

    Thailand ofcourse, but otherwise..no
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Everyone here criticises their own country and its actions
    Really ?
    Yes, you criticise NZ a lot, but otherwise ? (The US is exceptional and not worth a mention in this regard)

    Where is the criticisme of the gulf countries from the guys who make there money there ?

    Could be interesting, but seemingly not ...convenient
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    It's also disingenuous, idiotic and hypocritical.
    That's what I mean !

    (sorry bout the context and all )
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    Well speaking personally, I'm glad we have a range of opinions on the forum- and the freedom to express them.
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    He is a ....contrarian ?
    No, he's not. You and sabang are examples of contrarians.
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    Still; he knows stuff
    Actually, he doesn't. Going off topic, posting unrelated rubbish to underline his 'point' is not 'knowing something'.


    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Except that Klondyke originates from Checkoslovakia, and left from there 1980 (?)
    He's certainly adopted the Soviet Union/Russia and their policies - when he left? Probably just before or after the Czechs liberated themselves from the murderous Russians.


    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Really ?
    Yes, you criticise NZ a lot, but otherwise ?
    Yup- Aus, the UK, Germany, China, Russia, Israel etc... When it is appropriate then yes. When not, obviously not.


    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Where is the criticisme of the gulf countries from the guys who make there money there ?
    Saudi murderers, Qatari bigots . . .



    So, no. Klongdick and OhWoe are not contrarians. They are agitprop tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    when he left? Probably just before or after the Czechs liberated themselves from the murderous Russians.
    So you don't know, but picks a time that fits your narrative ?
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    Israel etc..
    Ah, yes, forgot that one. Best example actually
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    When it is appropriate then yes

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    Saudi murderers, Qatari bigots . .
    Wasn't directed at you.
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You and sabang are examples of contrarians.

    I'd agree somewhat in my case.

    Now PH, old friend:

    Please stick a label on yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Now PH, old friend:

    Please stick a label on yourself.
    His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea, Conqueror of Asia in General and New Zealand in Particular. . . . and opponent of bullying potentates and totalitarian bullies everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea,Ornithophobe with Regret, Conqueror of Asia in General and New Zealand in Particular. . . . and opponent of bullying potentates and totalitarian bullies everywhere
    Don't be so modest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Everyone here criticises their own country and its actions as well as others. Klongdick and OhWoe don't - they are always on hand to criticise all others, but not 'theirs'
    As usually, you are lying. What I criticise is lying of people like you, debunking the lies by facts, not throwing just empty shitting accusations (murderer, liar, traitor, dictator, etc, you name it)...

    And about my own country you would not hear much nice words since they have changed their orientation. When 30 years ago the population were in wonderful expectation (in a song): "Now, at last we will be hey, being lucky getting here the boys from USA".

    Now, after 30 years, you will no longer hear this song by many. And the men who for years had been frequent visitors in one of the big embassy compound in Prague are (or their kin) now visiting another big compound just next street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    And the irony is that you talk of freedom of expression when you, Klongdick and Ohno would be locked up for doing the same in the countries whose cocks you suck.
    They're not called the Three Stooges for nothing you know.


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