Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions

**harrybarracuda** · 25-08-2021, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

You don't read it

it's bull shit.

I know.

That's why I didn't read it.

**OhOh** · 25-08-2021, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

having been proven to be full of shit

Care to share your "proof"?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

deflect.

Care to share your "proof of deflection"?

Originally Posted by cyrille

Last edited by OhOh; Today at 09:09 PM.

Do you have something to say about my posts?

**panama hat** · 26-08-2021, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

I do not know how did you count the "soldoers"

There's a link, follow it. Do try not to be such a fuckwit all the time.

Originally Posted by OhOh

List of airports in Afghanistan - Wikipedia

Sigh . . . OhNo, how many of those 41 airports can handle large aircraft, both commercial and military?

It seems like most have gravel runways, grass runways or asphalt runways.

Are these capable of supporting both commercial and military aircraft?

It seems that some have a runway length of under 700 metres in length.

How many Americans live on the Chinese border to be evacuated?

41 . . . impressive. We have one very near to us. It also can't handle anything bigger than a Cessna . . .

**Norton** · 26-08-2021, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Stop Believing Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions

Fixed it for you Sab.

**sabang** · 26-08-2021, 06:25 AM

Well, here's the thing I hope for:-

**OhOh** · 26-08-2021, 10:32 AM

Biden bows to the Taliban cutting other G7 members adrift as each attempts to airlift its own nationals home safely

24 Aug, 2021 18:25

"Joe Biden took just seven minutes to confirm with his G7 allies that the US would not exceed the August 31 Kabul evacuation deadline, signalling to the UK and Europe they must now forge new alliances in dealing with the Taliban. Not much is clear about how events on the ground at Kabul airport will play out over the next week. However, if the member nations of the G7 group are looking to make any real progress themselves in Afghanistan, they need to look over the shoulder of US President Joe Biden.

After all, spending just seven minutes on a call to fellow world leaders seems to support the contention that he’s no help at all in this volatile crisis and the remaining G6+1 know it.

On the call, meanwhile, it might be fun to make Biden squirm in discomfort as they remind him of NATO, special relations and his own country’s sorry role in all this, but the UK et al would be better off looking to the regional big dogs, China and Russia, if they want to pile on the pressure with the Taliban.

It would be naive to think either Beijing or Moscow have been sitting on their hands as the cities of Afghanistan fell like dominoes. Moscow has a deep understanding of what makes Afghanistan tick, earned the hard way, while resource-hungry China would dearly love to have access to the mineral deposits of its near neighbour.

Admittedly, to me the terrain of Afghanistan has never looked that hospitable but beneath the seemingly endless dust, rocks and scrub lie deposits of copper, gold, oil, natural gas, uranium, bauxite, coal, iron ore, rare earths, lithium, chromium, lead, zinc, gemstones, talc, sulphur, travertine, gypsum and marble worth an estimated $US 3 trillion.
Lithium is the relatively scarce, suddenly must-have mineral that is essential to batteries that will power all those electric cars Elon Musk and others are churning out. Back in 2010, a US Department of Defense memo described Afghanistan as “the Saudi Arabia of lithium,” but that soft, white, lustrous metal doesn’t jump out of the ground itself, y’know.
Chinese business partners will be falling over one another to make deals for access to the natural resources now controlled by the new government, ironically at the same time as the UK is looking at making it a criminal offence to even fly to Kabul. Different priorities, I guess.

We’re at this point because the Americans have thrown the towel in, cut their losses and are now attempting to wipe their hands of 20 years of dust and blood earned in a battle of attrition against the ultimately successful Taliban. Simultaneously they are trying to retain some dignity as their cargo planes flee the scene one after the other. To the other G7 members, this might appear a bit selfish.

The UK, EU, France, Germany and Italy all share some common goals in what happens next, largely concerned with evacuating their own nationals and providing asylum to those Afghans and their families who provided valuable assistance in the past and now face being hunted down and executed in an inevitable settling of scores by the Islamist radicals now in charge.

The nations of Europe also want to avoid a humanitarian crisis as terrified Afghans flee westward through Iran to Turkey, where they could join the millions of Syrian refugees already pressed up hard against the EU borders.

What’s likely to prove tricky, however, is convincing either Moscow or Beijing that they should act on our behalf; after all, relations between the two regional powers and the West over the last few years have proven somewhat fraught at times.

Maybe this is the time to diplomatically mend fences, acknowledge that there has been a significant shift in mood across the Atlantic and that the USA’s desire to play global policeman is no longer what it was and that our interests are better served outside of Washington.
Relying on Uncle Sam for military support has made us all complacent. We are learning the consequences to defence spending cuts across Europe and what US ambivalence over NATO means in the cold light of day.

The G7 never expected to be in this position. After all, it incorporates seven of the world’s richest economies and, with all that wealth and all that power, they always get their own way.

Until, of course, the turbaned Tailban turned up with their retro-fitted SUVs, Kalshnikovs, and loathing of the West. Now it’s their way."

Biden bows to the Taliban cutting other G7 members adrift as each attempts to airlift its own nationals home safely — RT Op-ed

**bsnub** · 26-08-2021, 10:50 AM

More shit from China Daily and RT.

**HermantheGerman** · 26-08-2021, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Pity that the Afghans were not left alone (with their Soviet friends). Some did not like it, unfortunately, we no longer can ask the old man Zbigniew and the cave man Osama.

Maybe you can ask the dictator of Syria (with his Pig Face Putin friend) why his people are fleeing the country?
Pity that the Syrians are not being left alone.

No country in this world ever welcomed Soviet (Russian) Scum.

**OhOh** · 26-08-2021, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Maybe you can ask the dictator of Syria (with his Pig Face Puting friend) why his people are fleeing the country?

A recent link to substantiate your allegation, "people are fleeing the country", would allow us to comment more authoritatively.

**Norton** · 26-08-2021, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

A recent link to substantiate your allegation

Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=syia...e-gws-wiz-serp
https://www.google.com/search?q=syri...obile&ie=UTF-8

**Klondyke** · 26-08-2021, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke (Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions)

Pity that the Afghans were not left alone (with their Soviet friends). Some did not like it, unfortunately, we no longer can ask the old man Zbigniew and the cave man Osama.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Maybe you can ask the dictator of Syria (with his Pig Face Putin friend) why his people are fleeing the country?
Pity that the Syrians are not being left alone.
No country in this world ever welcomed Soviet (Russian) Scum.

You surely can tell about one, can't you?

Anyway, are we still speaking about Afghanistan?

“Revelations of Carter’s Former Advisor : ‘Yes, the CIA entered Afghanistan before the Russians…’” (1998)

Revelations provided by Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President
Jimmy Carter at the time of the invasion deserve careful scrutiny. These revelations
appeared in a 1998 interview with the French political and cultural weekly Le
Nouvel Observateur.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. In this period, you were the national security advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?

B: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, nobody believed them. However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.” Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime, a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today…

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries…

Translated from the French by William Blum and David N. Gibbs. This translation was published in Gibbs, “Afghanistan: The Soviet Invasion in Retrospect,” International Politics 37, no. 2, 2000, pp. 241-242. For article full text, click here.

**OhOh** · 26-08-2021, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

https://www.google.com/search?q=syia...e-gws-wiz-serp
https://www.google.com/search?q=syri...obile&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for your reply.

The request was for a recent link that substantiates:

Originally Posted by OhOh

why his people are fleeing the country?

Your first search is for; "syia and russia".

Not Syrians currently fleeing Syria

Your second search is for; "syrian refugees".

The second link provides plenty that meet your search, unfortunately all fleeing Afghanistan, not Syria.

Reinforced by:

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Pity that the Syrians are not being left alone.

But you are maybe thinking "Syrians from Afghanistan". If so, neither the Russian or Syrian Presidents are forcing them to flee anywhere.

I am also unaware of the Taliban forcing foreign refugees to flee Afghanistan.

Although from some reports, some are being taken in by the UK.

Syrian refugees are resettled across Southampton | Daily Echo

Only 15 Syrian refugees in Trafford as new scheme starts | Messenger Newspapers

**RPETER65** · 27-08-2021, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

More shit from China Daily and RT.

Care to comment on the truth of the article?

**harrybarracuda** · 27-08-2021, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Care to comment on the truth of the article?

From China Daily and Russia Today?

Seriously, how are you not in a care home?

**Backspin** · 27-08-2021, 04:19 AM

Why are there so many nationals in Afghanistan ? War tourists ? They were looking for an adventure and they have one

**panama hat** · 27-08-2021, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

A recent link to substantiate your allegation, "people are fleeing the country", would allow us to comment more authoritatively.

Originally Posted by Norton

Take your pick.

syia...e-gws-wiz-serp - Google-haku
syri...obile - Google-haku

Originally Posted by OhOh

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Originally Posted by Backspin

Why are there so many nationals in Afghanistan ? War tourists ?

I doubt they're tourists, probably contractors, people visiting family and the like

**sabang** · 27-08-2021, 04:54 AM

Why are there so many nationals in Afghanistan ? War tourists ?

Nope- war profiteers. No doubt a fair few working for NGO's too.

**Hugh Cow** · 27-08-2021, 05:36 AM

What ever way you slice the cake its a big clusterfuck started by Trump and then Biden sticking to a date rather than leaving it open ended. This was a big mistake. To suggest the Taliban could defeat the American military is rediculous. The problem with people like the Taliban is they have no rules and that makes anyone hard to defeat, especially in a country with a terrain like Afganistan. The U.S. and others may have at times bent and even broken the rules of war but in the main kept to most of them. The Taliban had no such restraint. The U.S. so intent on trying to nobble the Russians in Afghanistan years earlier, ended up nobbling themselves. I'm sure Vlad has been smirking and justifiably so from a Russian perspective. The West cannot save the world from itself.

**sabang** · 27-08-2021, 05:51 AM

its a big clusterfuck started by Trump and then Biden sticking to a date

Don't you mean Bush, Cheney & the neo-Cons?

The problem with people like the Taliban is they have no rules

Isis are even worse. I don't trust the Taliban, but it now looks like we will be informally allied with them and fighting (well bombing) Isis.

The West cannot save the world from itself.

Agreed. But it can save it's foreign policy from being dictated by war profiteers and oilmen. You can see where that has got us.

**HuangLao** · 27-08-2021, 06:16 AM

The deepest and darkest, if not humorous, irony: the U.S. created The Taliban and ISIS....and all their evolved spinoffs.

**Norton** · 27-08-2021, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I'm sure Vlad has been smirking and justifiably so from a Russian perspective. The West cannot save the world from itself.

Likely a couple of smirks from Vlad but he knows full well the long overdue US withdrawal is not in his best interests. Nor is it for all of Afghanistans neighbors.

Afghanistan has been at war for decades and will continue with no end in sight and the notion any foriegn power can succeed in building a functioning nation there is idiotic.

US has after 20 years finally got the message. Bye, bye Afghanistan!

Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran et al enjoy at your expense the impact of US withdrawal.

**sabang** · 27-08-2021, 06:34 AM

The Tali have been making the right pragmatic noises though Nort, about non-interventionism and not exporting Terrorism. They even said girls can go to school! Maybe, just maybe, economic self interest has come into their way of thinking.

Can we believe them? Well that's the million dollar question- I'm just taking a wait and see attitude. They will have their hands full, fighting Isis K and quite likely other Islamists, such as ETIM. Hey, as long as they stick to killing each other in their own shithole, I can live with that. We'll see.

**bsnub** · 27-08-2021, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

They even said girls can go to school!

Jeezus. You are such a gullible moron.

**sabang** · 27-08-2021, 07:00 AM

You are just a plain, common or garden moron. Wrong about everything to boot ya patsy- who gives a shiite what you might think about anything? Reckon I might well believe a Talibani before you.

**bsnub** · 27-08-2021, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Wrong about everything to boot ya patsy

I have been wrong about nothing. You on the other hand have a pattern of refuting evidence and reality even when it is put right in front of your face. Time and time again. You are a lapdog and nothing more.

Originally Posted by sabang

Reckon I might well believe a Talibani before you.

Just like you would believe Putin, Xi, and just about any other tinpot despot before me.

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