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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Wouldn’t fancy that defence in a court of law - great example of whataboutism
    "An objectively reasonable fear of injury or death" is a key theme in self defence.

    And given that the attack was in response to a credible threat of a repeat attack at Kabul airport, how the fuck is it whataboutism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    "An objectively reasonable fear of injury or death" is a key theme in self defence.
    Are you fucking drunk? - Self defence? Fuck me why didn’t OJ Simpson think of that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    a credible threat
    A lesson for us all. Don't carry water around, if Harry is in charge
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And given that the attack was in response to a credible threat of a repeat attack at Kabul airport, how the fuck is it whataboutism?
    It was an offering for the "revenge altar" presented to the american public.

    And most are aware of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    It was an offering for the "revenge altar" presented to the american public.
    ...dramatic, but nah...it was a mistake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    it was a mistake..
    Yes, a tragic one.

    Or as you say: Collateral damage ?

    Or: It's the fault of the illegal combatants. They usually hide and we can't tell them apart from civilians.

    They really oughta wear some uniforms.

    Doesn't make it right, does it ?

    But all in all no one is to blame ?

    Except Biden who ordered a hasty response without sufficient evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Or as you say: Collateral damage ?

    Or: It's the fault of the illegal combatants. They usually hide and we can't tell them apart from civilians.

    They really oughta wear some uniforms.

    Doesn't make it right, does it ?

    But all in all no one is to blame ?

    Except Biden who ordered a hasty response without sufficient evidence
    ...dramatic, but nah...it was a mistake...

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    OK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Are you fucking drunk? - Self defence? Fuck me why didn’t OJ Simpson think of that one.
    Are you simply being obtuse or are you a fucking moron?

    There had already been one suicide bombing of the crowds at the airport.

    And OJ? There's your whataboutism right there, you bell end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...dramatic, but nah...it was a mistake...
    Bad intelligence is the most likely cause, not surprising given the chaos.

    But under the circumstances, they obviously deemed the risk of another bombing was too great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Doesn't make it right, does it ?
    Nothing makes it right, but it can be explained.

    However, it's notable that all the whiny apologists saying how bad the Americans are remained conspicuously silent after the attack and deaths that caused it.

    So they can go and fuck themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Bad intelligence is the most likely cause, not surprising given the chaos.
    Wow, thanks for that, the family of the bereaved can stop mourning now they know the cause.


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There had already been one suicide bombing of the crowds at the airport
    ah ok, “let’s kill an innocent water carrier and his family that’ll learn ‘em”

    It was a knee jerk reaction to appease the baying mob, based upon no “intelligence”

    What happened to “your credible threat of a second attack?” - turned out to be not so credible but the innocent had to die - shades of Iraq and WMD - I forgot these were credible threats as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nothing makes it right, but it can be explained.

    However, it's notable that all the whiny apologists saying how bad the Americans are remained conspicuously silent after the attack and deaths that caused it.

    So they can go and fuck themselves.
    ('arry always get the clue...)

    But isn't it wonderful that they publicly admit it ("horrible mistake" - of the intelligence)? That should be applauded.

    And a general takes a full responsibility...(I think he's just about to retire...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    However, it's notable that all the whiny apologists saying how bad the Americans are
    Whiny apologist because one find it wrong and cowardly to kill kids from drones ?

    Makes sense
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    conspicuously silent after the attack and deaths that caused it.
    There was all sorts of people killed in that carbomb attack.

    Isn't that condemned by all ?

    Did you ?

    If you didn't, I'm sure you meant to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    However, it's notable that all the whiny apologists saying how bad the Americans are remained conspicuously silent after the attack and deaths that caused it.
    You'll find that wasn't the case, but keep up your bluster

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...dramatic, but nah...it was a mistake...
    Not the first and many more to follow. Mostly shit happens when blinded by the fog of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Bad intelligence is the most likely cause, not surprising given the chaos.

    But under the circumstances, they obviously deemed the risk of another bombing was too great.
    but it was not bad intelligence - it was incompetent intelligence and lies

    they said they watched the car for 8 hours and didn't work out what was going on - yeah right - the fcukers decided to missile a car because they wanted to err on the side of caution and then after lied and said the strike caused a secondary explosion

    notwithstanding that with the amount of hours available and they are saying they expected this vehicle was going to be used in an attack , the NSA could have been inside the chin CCTV system and shown them exactly what was in the vehicle

    this was a fcukup , and then a coverup - people should be held accountable

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    ^ Absolutely right, but 'we' have become quite cavalier about deaths of others . . . well, non-whites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    'we' have become quite cavalier about deaths of others . . . well, non-whites
    ...true, BLM!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    but it was not bad intelligence - it was incompetent intelligence and lies

    they said they watched the car for 8 hours and didn't work out what was going on - yeah right - the fcukers decided to missile a car because they wanted to err on the side of caution and then after lied and said the strike caused a secondary explosion

    notwithstanding that with the amount of hours available and they are saying they expected this vehicle was going to be used in an attack , the NSA could have been inside the chin CCTV system and shown them exactly what was in the vehicle

    this was a fcukup , and then a coverup - people should be held accountable
    That's the point in a nutshell. They lied through their teeth (As opposed to lying out their arse, i suppose...)

    It's the cover up that stinks like rotten fish. Fucking lying cunts.

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    the fcukers decided to missile a car because they wanted to err on the side of caution
    Yes.

    and then after lied and said the strike caused a secondary explosion
    I agree. Lying about a fuck up should not go unpunished.

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    Originally Posted by tomcat
    ...dramatic, but nah...it was a mistake...
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Bad intelligence is the most likely cause, not surprising given the chaos.

    But under the circumstances, they obviously deemed the risk of another bombing was too great.
    But the warning still holds? (on hold?)
    Biden warns Kabul airport attackers: 'We will hunt you down'

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    Biden claims "era of relentless war" is over in first UN speech

    Addressing the UN General Assembly for the first time since taking office, President Biden laid out his vision for how the U.S. will confront what he characterized as a "decisive" next decade in human history.

    Why it matters: In the face of unprecedented global challenges the pandemic, climate change, rising authoritarianism Biden made a case for multilateralism, democratic values, the rule of law and empathy for common struggles.

    The big picture: Under the backdrop of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden heralded the end of an "era of relentless war" and promised that the next era would be defined by "relentless diplomacy."


    • "U.S. military power must be our tool of last resort, not our first, and should not be used as an answer to every problem we see around the world," Biden said. "Bombs and bullets cannot defend against COVID-19 or its future variants."
    • He pledged to devote U.S. resources not to fighting "the wars of the past," but to the challenges "that hold the keys to our collective futures."


    Those challenges include:


    • Ending the pandemic by vaccinating the world and developing new global mechanisms for stopping future pandemics. Biden hailed America's role in delivering more than 160 million vaccine doses to other countries calling each one "a little dose of hope" and said the U.S. would announce new commitments at Wednesday's global COVID-19 summit.
    • Addressing the "borderless" climate crisis with a new U.S. pledge to double public financial assistance to developing countries, including money to help them adapt to present-day climate impacts.
    • Managing great power competition by revitalizing alliances like NATO and developing new ones like the Quad. Without mentioning China or Russia, Biden said that the U.S. would always stand up for its allies, but stressed it is "not seeking a new Cold War or a world divided into rigid blocs."
    • Shaping the rules of the world on 21st-century issues like "trade, cyber and emerging technologies."
    • Facing the threat of terrorism with an updated toolkit, by targeting support systems, countering propaganda and working with local partners "so that we need not be so reliant on large-scale military deployments."


    Biden also focused a considerable portion of his speech on human rights and civil conflicts urging the world to "never allow ourselves to give up on the possibility of progress."


    • Biden reiterated his support for a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, committed the U.S. to continue pushing for peace in Ethiopia and Yemen, and said the world would hold the Taliban accountable to its commitments to the people of Afghanistan.
    • He praised democratic and anti-corruption movements in countries like Belarus, Myanmar and Cuba, and in his only explicit reference to China, condemned the targeting of religious minorities in the northwest region of Xinjiang.


    Between the lines: Biden's speech was a resounding rejection of the "America First" rhetoric that the UNGA hall had grown accustomed to after four years of President Trump.


    • But some allies have found themselves questioning the new president's credibility in the wake of the chaotic U.S. exit from Afghanistan and a new diplomatic rift with France, which threatens to boil over into broader tensions with the European Union.
    • "We must again come together to affirm that the inherent humanity that unites us is much greater than any outward divisions or disagreements," Biden concluded. "We must choose to do more than we think we can do alone so that we accomplish what we must together."
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    Words . . . wouldn't it be nice, but better than previous presidents' speeches

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Words . . . wouldn't it be nice, but better than previous presidents' speeches
    22 SEP, 01:25
    Russia’s Kadyrov invites Biden to Chechnya in response to his UNGA remarks

    On Tuesday, Biden addressed the UNGA session, calling on the international community to join forces to protect rights of sexual minorities around the world, separately mentioning Chechnya to Cameroon

    GROZNY, September 21. /TASS/. Head of Russia’s Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov has offered an invitation to the region to US President Joe Biden in response to his recent comments about LGBTQ rights in Chechnya, Kadyrov wrote on his Telegram channel.

    On Tuesday, Biden addressed the UNGA session, calling on the international community to join forces to protect rights of sexual minorities around the world, separately mentioning Chechnya to Cameroon.

    "Biden, who shamefully returned troops from Afghanistan, suddenly started mentioning Chechnya. We are still yet to get over his certain ridiculous statements and actions as president of the US and he has already cheered us up with new strange and unreasonable statements. Biden made such an absurd statement that I can only invite his to our region in response," Kadyrov wrote.

    Russia’s Kadyrov invites Biden to Chechnya in response to his UNGA remarks - World - TASS

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