Thread: Biden Made the Right Call

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It's not Bidens decision to make, it's the Talibans.

I don't agree. Given the circumstances. It will be a tremendous gamble for the president. I think he should take it. We have a promise to keep to help the people who helped us. I want Biden to step up to the plate. Let's hope a compromise can be reached. Give them truck loads of money. Find a way.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

We are awaiting a decision which could change the face of world geopolitics much more than any decision for many decades. Will Biden give way to it's major allies and insist that American troops will stay beyond the end of the month or will he not.

Tick tock, tick tock......

Why would this change the face of "world geopolitics" whatever the fuck that is?

We are 20 years on from the invasion. The US now has technology that can land a fucking missile on pin head from a portacabin in a Langley car park these days, and I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA Director made mention of that in his meeting with the talitubbies today.

The smart talitubbies don't necessarily have the same death wish as most of their silly followers.

Originally Posted by pickel

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It's not Bidens decision to make, it's the Talibans.

Actions have consequences. If the US public see the talitubbies killing Americans, they will be baying for blood.

Afghanis - not so much.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Why would this change the face of "world geopolitics" whatever the fuck that is?

If the US leaves an impression with its primary allies that it can not be relied upon to provide leadership to the western alliance then things will change. They already had with The Donald. Allies may be starting to think that maybe Trump wasn't such an aberration after all. For whatever reason it seems America may be becoming insular once again

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

I don't agree. Given the circumstances.

The circumstances are that the Americans only have an airport with one runway, and are surrounded by the Taliban. A half dozen mortars lobbed over the fence end the evacuations. Then what? Are they going to invade Afghanistan again?

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Give them truck loads of money. Find a way.

Throwing money at a problem without understanding the problem is the surest way to lose your money and respect.

Who is funding the Taliban?

Its a lost cause, it was a lost cause from day one 20 years ago. The fighters melt into the populous, did so in C19th, with the Russians and the same with Coalition. The locals won't hand them over as they risk their entire family being murdered, its the sanction they use for control and cover. There was no Taliban rush to Kabul they were there all along FFS, just waiting in villages and hills.

No mortars, is SAMs that'll take out the C17s.

I hate to say it but the withdrawal had to happen but it should have been organised and should never have been negotiated under the auspices of the American Cvnt Trump, the US are no longer a safe pair of hands and are just about to start thrashing around in the South China Sea and drawing the allies into another mess - so presumably the US Navy and Airforce has felt left out of the picture for a while now and see an opportunity.

Another 5 to 10 year scolding in the offing.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

If the US leaves an impression with its primary allies that it can not be relied upon to provide leadership to the western alliance then things will change. They already had with The Donald. Allies may be starting to think that maybe Trump wasn't such an aberration after all. For whatever reason it seems America may be becoming insular once again

Utter fucking horseshit. The partners have had more than a year's notice to get organised.

The UK abandoned Camp Bastion at the beginning of July and ended its deployment. They could have deployed to the airport and assisted there, instead of which they fucked off home and are having to fly troops back out.

If the allies need help, they'll be begging the US to chip in as usual.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I hate to say it but the withdrawal had to happen but it should have been organised and should never have been negotiated under the auspices of the American Cvnt Trump

Negotiated or not, the date has been long cast in stone. Every non-military foreigner in Afghanistan could and should have left well before now, and what people should be asking is why didn't they?

If they had, it wouldn't be even front page news.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Every non-military foreigner in Afghanistan could and should have left well before now, and what people should be asking is why didn't they?

If they had, it wouldn't be even front page news.

Its a theatre of operation with an airport controlled by the military, choice should not have come into it. A date was set so forcible evacuation should have been deployed but the twat in teh camo from the US dithered and dind't enforce or co-ordinate it.

Have you ever been involved in a military operation Harry, its not a democracy - the problem is the muppets and do gooders on the ground have been comfortable for too long thinking they can do what they want - an illusion and one they now realise its real, its not Kansas.

The USA must take complete responsibility for the massive failure in intelligence surrounding the speed of the massive capitulation of the Afghan armed forces. What the feck happened? How come we haven't seen any heads rolling? The USA just can't leave anybody behind. It isn't an opinion. Biden speaks 4:30 Eastern.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Allies may be starting to think that maybe Trump wasn't such an aberration after all.

That's only the thought of a dumb Trump supporter. You are not any good at hiding it.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

We have a promise to keep

...what is this "we", Inuit hugger?...

Obviously Biden isn't entirely ruling out an extension. It's not as though the US doesn't have any leverage, they control the funds that can keep the Afghan economy rolling day to day.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...what is this "we", Inuit hugger?...

This "we" is all the allied NATO countries had troops supported by any numbers of local support involvement. Canada was already being very slow on the uptake even before the American president pulled the blanket out from under everybody. We can all consider it less than are most honourable day. I'm hoping now to hear from the other G7 leaders about what went down during that virtual meeting. I can't imagine too many of them will be happy.

Originally Posted by lom

That's only the thought of a dumb Trump supporter. You are not any good at hiding it.

Sorry, I no longer attempt to communicate with shallow minded name callers.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

the American president pulled the blanket out from under everybody

...actually, it was a rug...

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Its a theatre of operation with an airport controlled by the military, choice should not have come into it. A date was set so forcible evacuation should have been deployed but the twat in teh camo from the US dithered and dind't enforce or co-ordinate it.

Have you ever been involved in a military operation Harry, its not a democracy - the problem is the muppets and do gooders on the ground have been comfortable for too long thinking they can do what they want - an illusion and one they now realise its real, its not Kansas.

You're missing the point. If they'd left earlier no military operation would have been required, bar evacuating what was left of any diplomatic staff required to stay on longer.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

The USA must take complete responsibility for the massive failure in intelligence surrounding the speed of the massive capitulation of the Afghan armed forces. What the feck happened? How come we haven't seen any heads rolling? The USA just can't leave anybody behind. It isn't an opinion. Biden speaks 4:30 Eastern.

I doubt there was much of a failure of intelligence given that there have been public updates of the talitubbies progress posted in this thread since it was open that clearly pointed out what was happening. Read into that what you will.

Of course it was the correct thing to do. Just wish he'd supported and kept more of DJT's initiatives.

Originally Posted by spliff

Of course it was the correct thing to do. Just wish he'd supported and kept more of DJT's initiatives.

Such as?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Such as?

Nothing because everything the orange moron did was total shit.

Mexican Secretary of Foreign Affairs Marcelo Ebrard (L) at the Benito Juarez International Airport in Mexico City welcomes four members of the Afghanistan Robotic team, who sought refuge in Mexico, on Aug. 24.

Now they're really going to find out what "war zone" means.