Do you think China is bluffing ? Or is the US bluffing ?
China warns Taiwan independence 'means war' as US pledges support
China warns Taiwan independence '''means war''' as US pledges support - BBC NewsAnd
America Can Defend Taiwan
America Can Defend Taiwan - WSJ
In short: yes.
You need to start reading beyond the headlines and reading between the lines.
After the utter humiliation and disgrace of Afghanistan, I would say that now is the worst time for the US to be beating it's war drums. Stay at home.
Last edited by sabang; 11-07-2021 at 05:01 AM.
Sabang, I have a couple of questions to your post above (which I agree with in parts).
(Ahh, you've edited it, but still...)
You're happy to slate your countries of birth and residence, but you have no problem with sucking Chinese cock when they have starved their own people, carried out genocide against their own people (you can see a pattern here) and routinely tried to intimidate and steal from their neighbours while denying any opportunity of free speech for those who have to endure Chinese rule.
For an intelligent and eminently likeable poster, I can't help feeling your values in life have become more than a little bit skewed. Klondyke/OhOh level skewed.
Sorry 'bout that. This is a China thread- not Ghan. You'll find it elsewhere- in the aussie war crime thread.(Ahh, you've edited it, but still...)
For their idiotic mistakes, and human rights abuses, and hypocrisy- yes indeed, I am. The hope is that they will learn from it. But I can assure you I still feel fortunate to be Australian.You're happy to slate your countries of birth and residence
Never had the privilege- wazzit like? Ask 'omoerotic 'arry- his gay fantasies are there for all to see. I do unabashedly like Chinese sushi though. I will happily slag off China about such things as the Great Leap forward, and Cultural revolution- but that's a bit like slagging off amerka for the Korean and Vietnam wars. Kinda old news. I'll happily slag off Mao too (cnut), but I reckon Deng was one of the 20th centuries Great men. Kinda iffy on Xi.you have no problem with sucking Chinese cock
The plain fact is, in the current century China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in world history, by far. They have invaded nobody else. The amount of people murdered by their soldiers is insignificant, compared to the USA. Even the UK & Oz have killed more people in foreign countries than the worlds most populous nation, and soon to be largest economy.
Basically, they seem to me to be doing far more right than wrong. Wish I could say the same for the US. You probably think me saying this makes me some kind of traitor- but I think me not saying this would make me a traitor. If we assume the right to criticise others, we have a moral obligation to hold ourselves under the same scrutiny, and standards.
Last edited by sabang; 11-07-2021 at 05:49 AM.
It was you that made the post, not me! Why would I be looking elsewhere when you made the post about Afhganistan? You brought the topic up about Britain, US etc that you eventually deleted!
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For their idiotic mistakes, and human rights abuses, and hypocrisy- yes indeed, I am. The hope is that they will learn from it. But I can assure you I still feel fortunate to be Australian.
Well, that's good,. And that is what we all do on these threads...apart from one or two who make excuses and excuse it for what has gone on elsewhere.
Never had the privilege- wazzit like? Ask 'omoerotic 'arry- his gay fantasies are there for all to see. I do unabashedly like Chinese sushi though. I will happily slag off China about such things as the Great Leap forward, and Cultural revolution- but that's a bit like slagging off amerka for the Korean and Vietnam wars. Kinda old news. I'll happily slag off Mao too (cnut), but I reckon Deng was one of the 20th centuries Great men. Kinda iffy on Xi.
Well, that's good,. And that is what we all do on these threads...apart from one or two who make excuses and excuse it for what has gone on elsewhere.
The plain fact is, in the current century China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in world history, by far. They have invaded nobody else. The amount of people murdered by their soldiers is insignificant, compared to the USA. Even the UK & Oz have killed more people in foreign countries than the worlds most populous nation, and soon to be largest economy.
Oh well, better make that three who are making excuses.
Basically, they seem to me to be doing far more right than wrong. Wish I could say the same for the US. You probably think me saying this makes me some kind of traitor- but I think me not saying this would make me a traitor. If we assume the right to criticise others, we have a moral obligation to hold ourselves under the same scrutiny, and standards.
But we do criticise ourselves. That's the point I, and many others., have criticised the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq etc for.
This is what people like OhOh/Klongdick etc are reluctant to do and what gets them arrested for just voicing their opinion. You can say what you want in the free world you enjoy, but the regime you champion would never allow this.
You are just like the brainwashed Klongdick/OhOh.
Last edited by hallelujah; 11-07-2021 at 06:19 AM.
So, what is your excuse for murderous and disastrous foreign military adventurism by the USA in the current era, and the supine Oz/ UK participation in this? I am not the one that needs to be making excuses, and neither is China.
That's the point, fella: I think it's a disgrace that my government (British) supports the US.
I can, and happily will, criticise this at every available opportunity.
And I can without fear of being sent to jail.
Do you still not see the point from those of us on here who get frustrated with those of you who can/will not criticise your own repressive regimes because you're too scared to say it?
I think Xi setting himself as 'President for Life' sets a very worrying precedent. What if he is succeeded by an idiot like Mao?
I think China is acting like a bully in the South China Sea, and should pull it's head in.
Sorry, not so bothered about HK, and there is no genocide in Xinjiang, how ridiculous.
I do not believe China has any plans to invade Taiwan, they will slowly throttle it instead.
Bottom line is, I think the CCP is doing far more right than wrong in the current era.
It's kinda strange to say that about a self professed communist regime (even though it isn't), but there you have it.
Commie Vietnam seems to be doing OK too, and Russia is not Communist at all.
Perhaps a tad more critical self analysis might behoove certain posters here. Everything "We" do is not by definition right, and everything "They" do is not by definition wrong. Everything uncle sam spouts is not by definition true, either. Frankly, that is a very dangerous way of thinking- unless you actually want to lose what is left of our democracy.
^ Please do, What is your question?
I am not scared to criticise any regime at all. Why should I be? The only time I have had to self censor was when I lived in Thailand, and that was as much for the sake of the board as myself personally. That is still the case actually- you have to tread carefully when talking of Thailand. In Thailand. Would you define Thailand as a repressive regime?Do you still not see the point from those of us on here who get frustrated with those of you who can/will not criticise your own repressive regimes because you're too scared to say it?
China certainly does not have the same degree of personal liberty as the West, and neither does Thailand. But a repressive regime? I would hesitate to call it that. In some areas, it offers more personal liberty than nanny state Australia. Examples-
You can buy a beer from any convenience store, and swig it as you walk, ride or drive around. Not allowed here
They don't give a rats if you smoke weed in public in the Mainland (unlike HK)- but you are not allowed to sell it apparently
Forgot your helmet, bike rider? no problem. Don't even think about it here.
There are a multitude of petty little rules here that do not apply in China, or most of Asia generally
I have been to mainland China many times. I lived in HK 12+ years, was married to a HK Cantonese, lived with a Chinese family, speak some of the lingo, etc. I know more about China than most here, quite safely. I do not find the atmosphere in China to be repressive at all frankly. I am not alone here either- check Youtube for several expat accounts of life in China today. They have their red lines, most assuredly- Seperatism is a big one. Their citizens an reporters do not have the same legal safeguards as we do either, when it comes to free expression. Then again, ask Julian Assange about Freedom of the Press and Legal due process. Or several Whistleblowers currently being prosecuted behind closed doors in Australia. Does that make us a repressive regime also?
Last edited by sabang; 11-07-2021 at 07:30 AM.
Such as? I put it to you I vehemently pillory the indefensible- such as the invasion of Iraq.he defends the indefensible
Got any questions? Go ahead and ask them. Be specific.
Ever been to China? Nope- I guess that is what makes you such an expert.
It's inevitable that hoohoo would refer to reputable news sources as "propaganda" while posting state-sponsored chinky and russian nonsense at every opportunity.
The same reputable news sources that told us about Saddams WMD and plotting of 911, that told us the Assad regime would fall within 3 weeks, and that Guido the killer pimp is the President of Venezuela? Yes, hardly surprising that now they tell the gullible how Chinas fastest growing Province is a genocide camp.
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