Chinas President Xi Jinping warns foreign nations may be on a "collision course", pl

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Nobody is going to war with China, Russia etc

Only the usual bigmouths advocates that

War is for countries that you can throw bombs at without having any in return

Precisely. Contrary to backspit, I haven't seen anyone that might be taken seriously advocate going to war with China or even talk about it as a possibility. And why would we?

Far too much to lose. A preposterous idea.

**Backspin** · 11-07-2021, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Precisely. Contrary to backspit, I haven't seen anyone that might be taken seriously advocate going to war with China or even talk about it as a possibility. And why would we?

Far too much to lose. A preposterous idea.

Do you think China is bluffing ? Or is the US bluffing ?

China warns Taiwan independence 'means war' as US pledges support

China warns Taiwan independence '''means war''' as US pledges support - BBC NewsAnd
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**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 04:37 AM

In short: yes.

You need to start reading beyond the headlines and reading between the lines.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 04:54 AM

After the utter humiliation and disgrace of Afghanistan, I would say that now is the worst time for the US to be beating it's war drums. Stay at home.

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 05:09 AM

Sabang, I have a couple of questions to your post above (which I agree with in parts).

(Ahh, you've edited it, but still...)

You're happy to slate your countries of birth and residence, but you have no problem with sucking Chinese cock when they have starved their own people, carried out genocide against their own people (you can see a pattern here) and routinely tried to intimidate and steal from their neighbours while denying any opportunity of free speech for those who have to endure Chinese rule.

For an intelligent and eminently likeable poster, I can't help feeling your values in life have become more than a little bit skewed. Klondyke/OhOh level skewed.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 05:29 AM

(Ahh, you've edited it, but still...)

Sorry 'bout that. This is a China thread- not Ghan. You'll find it elsewhere- in the aussie war crime thread.

You're happy to slate your countries of birth and residence

For their idiotic mistakes, and human rights abuses, and hypocrisy- yes indeed, I am. The hope is that they will learn from it. But I can assure you I still feel fortunate to be Australian.

you have no problem with sucking Chinese cock

Never had the privilege- wazzit like? Ask 'omoerotic 'arry- his gay fantasies are there for all to see.

I do unabashedly like Chinese sushi though. I will happily slag off China about such things as the Great Leap forward, and Cultural revolution- but that's a bit like slagging off amerka for the Korean and Vietnam wars. Kinda old news. I'll happily slag off Mao too (cnut), but I reckon Deng was one of the 20th centuries Great men. Kinda iffy on Xi.

The plain fact is, in the current century China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in world history, by far. They have invaded nobody else. The amount of people murdered by their soldiers is insignificant, compared to the USA. Even the UK & Oz have killed more people in foreign countries than the worlds most populous nation, and soon to be largest economy.

Basically, they seem to me to be doing far more right than wrong. Wish I could say the same for the US. You probably think me saying this makes me some kind of traitor- but I think me not saying this would make me a traitor. If we assume the right to criticise others, we have a moral obligation to hold ourselves under the same scrutiny, and standards.

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Sorry 'bout that. This is a China thread- not Ghan. You'll find it elsewhere- in the aussie war crime thread.

It was you that made the post, not me! Why would I be looking elsewhere when you made the post about Afhganistan? You brought the topic up about Britain, US etc that you eventually deleted!

[QUOTE=sabang;4283394]

For their idiotic mistakes, and human rights abuses, and hypocrisy- yes indeed, I am. The hope is that they will learn from it. But I can assure you I still feel fortunate to be Australian.

Well, that's good,. And that is what we all do on these threads...apart from one or two who make excuses and excuse it for what has gone on elsewhere.

Never had the privilege- wazzit like? Ask 'omoerotic 'arry- his gay fantasies are there for all to see.

I do unabashedly like Chinese sushi though. I will happily slag off China about such things as the Great Leap forward, and Cultural revolution- but that's a bit like slagging off amerka for the Korean and Vietnam wars. Kinda old news. I'll happily slag off Mao too (cnut), but I reckon Deng was one of the 20th centuries Great men. Kinda iffy on Xi.

Well, that's good,. And that is what we all do on these threads...apart from one or two who make excuses and excuse it for what has gone on elsewhere.

The plain fact is, in the current century China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in world history, by far. They have invaded nobody else. The amount of people murdered by their soldiers is insignificant, compared to the USA. Even the UK & Oz have killed more people in foreign countries than the worlds most populous nation, and soon to be largest economy.

Oh well, better make that three who are making excuses.

Basically, they seem to me to be doing far more right than wrong. Wish I could say the same for the US. You probably think me saying this makes me some kind of traitor- but I think me not saying this would make me a traitor. If we assume the right to criticise others, we have a moral obligation to hold ourselves under the same scrutiny, and standards.

But we do criticise ourselves. That's the point I, and many others., have criticised the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq etc for.

This is what people like OhOh/Klongdick etc are reluctant to do and what gets them arrested for just voicing their opinion. You can say what you want in the free world you enjoy, but the regime you champion would never allow this.

You are just like the brainwashed Klongdick/OhOh.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 06:08 AM

So, what is your excuse for murderous and disastrous foreign military adventurism by the USA in the current era, and the supine Oz/ UK participation in this? I am not the one that needs to be making excuses, and neither is China.

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

So, what is your excuse for murderous and disastrous foreign military adventurism by the USA in the current era, and the supine Oz/ UK participation in this? I am not the one that needs to be making excuses, and neither is China.

That's the point, fella: I think it's a disgrace that my government (British) supports the US.

I can, and happily will, criticise this at every available opportunity.

And I can without fear of being sent to jail.

Do you still not see the point from those of us on here who get frustrated with those of you who can/will not criticise your own repressive regimes because you're too scared to say it?

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 06:44 AM

I think Xi setting himself as 'President for Life' sets a very worrying precedent. What if he is succeeded by an idiot like Mao?
I think China is acting like a bully in the South China Sea, and should pull it's head in.
Sorry, not so bothered about HK, and there is no genocide in Xinjiang, how ridiculous.
I do not believe China has any plans to invade Taiwan, they will slowly throttle it instead.
Bottom line is, I think the CCP is doing far more right than wrong in the current era.
It's kinda strange to say that about a self professed communist regime (even though it isn't), but there you have it.
Commie Vietnam seems to be doing OK too, and Russia is not Communist at all.

Perhaps a tad more critical self analysis might behoove certain posters here. Everything "We" do is not by definition right, and everything "They" do is not by definition wrong. Everything uncle sam spouts is not by definition true, either. Frankly, that is a very dangerous way of thinking- unless you actually want to lose what is left of our democracy.

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I think Xi setting himself as 'President for Life' sets a very worrying precedent. What if he is succeeded by an idiot like Mao?
I think China is acting like a bully in the South China Sea, and should pull it's head in.
Sorry, not so bothered about HK, and there is no genocide in Xinjiang, how ridiculous.
I do not believe China has any plans to invade Taiwan, they will slowly throttle it instead.
Bottom line is, I think the CCP is doing far more right than wrong in the current era.
It's kinda strange to say that about a self professed communist regime (even though it isn't), but there you have it.
Commie Vietnam seems to be doing OK too, and Russia is not Communist at all.

Perhaps a tad more critical self analysis might behoove certain posters here. Everything "We" do is not by definition right, and everything "They" do is not by definition wrong. Everything uncle sam spouts is not by definition true, either. Frankly, that is a very dangerous way of thinking- unless you actually want to lose what is left of our democracy.

You have just totally ignored my question. I'm not interested in Xi's life story.

Would you care to address it?

I can repost it here if necessary.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 06:55 AM

^ Please do, What is your question?

**hallelujah** · 11-07-2021, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

That's the point, fella: I think it's a disgrace that my government (British) supports the US.

I can, and happily will, criticise this at every available opportunity.

And I can without fear of being sent to jail.

Do you still not see the point from those of us on here who get frustrated with those of you who can/will not criticise your own repressive regimes because you're too scared to say it?

Please don't try to divert again.

**Norton** · 11-07-2021, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Perhaps a tad more critical self analysis might behoove certain posters here. Everything "We" do is not by definition right, and everything "They" do is not by definition wrong

Depending on who wears the "we" or the "they" shoes will always determine the position of the shoe wearer and they will defend their position to the end.

Reckon folks should note; History is divided into two parts: history itself and the 'admitted history'.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 07:18 AM

Do you still not see the point from those of us on here who get frustrated with those of you who can/will not criticise your own repressive regimes because you're too scared to say it?

I am not scared to criticise any regime at all. Why should I be? The only time I have had to self censor was when I lived in Thailand, and that was as much for the sake of the board as myself personally. That is still the case actually- you have to tread carefully when talking of Thailand. In Thailand. Would you define Thailand as a repressive regime?

China certainly does not have the same degree of personal liberty as the West, and neither does Thailand. But a repressive regime? I would hesitate to call it that. In some areas, it offers more personal liberty than nanny state Australia. Examples-

You can buy a beer from any convenience store, and swig it as you walk, ride or drive around. Not allowed here
They don't give a rats if you smoke weed in public in the Mainland (unlike HK)- but you are not allowed to sell it apparently
Forgot your helmet, bike rider? no problem. Don't even think about it here.
There are a multitude of petty little rules here that do not apply in China, or most of Asia generally

I have been to mainland China many times. I lived in HK 12+ years, was married to a HK Cantonese, lived with a Chinese family, speak some of the lingo, etc. I know more about China than most here, quite safely. I do not find the atmosphere in China to be repressive at all frankly. I am not alone here either- check Youtube for several expat accounts of life in China today. They have their red lines, most assuredly- Seperatism is a big one. Their citizens an reporters do not have the same legal safeguards as we do either, when it comes to free expression. Then again, ask Julian Assange about Freedom of the Press and Legal due process. Or several Whistleblowers currently being prosecuted behind closed doors in Australia. Does that make us a repressive regime also?

**bsnub** · 11-07-2021, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Please don't try to divert again.

That is basically what he does these days. Denial, Diversion and whataboutisms as he defends the indefensible. He is officially one of the four numpties of TD (klongdick, OhDoh, backspit and sabang).

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 07:36 AM

he defends the indefensible

Such as? I put it to you I vehemently pillory the indefensible- such as the invasion of Iraq.

Got any questions? Go ahead and ask them. Be specific.

Ever been to China? Nope- I guess that is what makes you such an expert.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-07-2021, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I am not scared to criticise any regime at all.

Says TD's No. 2 snivelling chinky apologist.

**OhOh** · 11-07-2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by hallelujah

OhOh level skewed

Would you care to illustrate what, in your opinion, I have "skewed", in this thread?

**harrybarracuda** · 11-07-2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Would you care to illustrate what, in your opinion, I have "skewed", in this thread?

Did you post any chinky propaganda?

That usually answers that question.

**OhOh** · 11-07-2021, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

does 'arry post any xxx, yyy, zzz, .... Propaganda?

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**harrybarracuda** · 11-07-2021, 03:48 PM

It's inevitable that hoohoo would refer to reputable news sources as "propaganda" while posting state-sponsored chinky and russian nonsense at every opportunity.

**sabang** · 11-07-2021, 04:01 PM

The same reputable news sources that told us about Saddams WMD and plotting of 911, that told us the Assad regime would fall within 3 weeks, and that Guido the killer pimp is the President of Venezuela? Yes, hardly surprising that now they tell the gullible how Chinas fastest growing Province is a genocide camp.

**Chico** · 11-07-2021, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

reputable news sources

next thing you'll be telling us missfits posts are not propaganda news sources

**harrybarracuda** · 11-07-2021, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

The same reputable news sources that told us about Saddams WMD and plotting of 911, that told us the Assad regime would fall within 3 weeks, and that Guido the killer pimp is the President of Venezuela? Yes, hardly surprising that now they tell the gullible how Chinas fastest growing Province is a genocide camp.

1. They reported what was being released by intelligence sources
2. It would have without the bloodthirsty Putin propping it up
3. Newspapers do not install Presidents

And this is why you think the chinkies have holiday camps for Uighurs?

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