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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The charges he was dodging were in Sweden.
    Which the Swedish court dismissed 4 years ago. No further accusations brought.

    But the facts continue to spoil your day.

    Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority

    "On 12 August 2015, Swedish prosecutors announced that they had dropped their investigation into three of the allegations against Assange, because the statute of limitations had expired. The investigation into the rape allegation was dropped by Swedish authorities on 19 May 2017.[2][3]"


    Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority - Wikipedia
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Which the Swedish court dismissed 4 years ago. No further accusations brought.

    But the facts continue to spoil your day.

    Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority

    "On 12 August 2015, Swedish prosecutors announced that they had dropped their investigation into three of the allegations against Assange, because the statute of limitations had expired. The investigation into the rape allegation was dropped by Swedish authorities on 19 May 2017.[2][3]"


    Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority - Wikipedia
    Yes, because he hid in an embassy until the statue of limitations ran out. Looks like the village has let its idiot out again tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Willy View Post
    MintPress. A small news website in Minnesota, with murky funding posting pro-Palestinian learning articles, information and misinformation.

    So you are a Israel supporting Trumpkin now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Looks like the village has let its idiot out again tonight.
    And because there are two villages:
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    So you are a Israel supporting Trumpkin now ?

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    Barnaby Joyce has the same questions as I-

    Assange did not steal any US secret files, US citizen Chelsea Manning did. Assange did publish them. In Australia, he received a Walkley Award in journalism for it. Assange was not in breach of any Australian laws at the time of his actions. Assange was not in the US when the event being deliberated in a court now in London occurred. The question is then: why is he to be extradited to the US? If he insulted the Koran, would he be extradited to Saudi Arabia?

    What country was he a citizen of at that time; what does it mean to be a citizen, and what rights therefore attach to it? If we are content that this process of extraditing one Australian to the US for breaking its laws even when he was not in that country is fair, are we prepared therefore to accept it as a precedent for applying to any other laws of any other nation to any of our citizens?

    I have no power in Britain or US over these matters. I have no standing in the British courts. But in that birthplace of the common law, I hope the learned come to a just conclusion. They should try him there for any crime he is alleged to have committed on British soil or send him back to Australia, where he is a citizen. I am isolated in a room in Washington with an as yet undetermined variant of COVID-19, but have been asked back in Australia if my previous position on this matter remains the same. It does, and I hope this gives my reasons why. I hope it shows I am consistent on such matters.
    I have never met Julian Assange and I presume I would not like him, but he's entitled to justice (msn.com)


    How on earth can a British Judge decide extradition for an Australia citizen alleged under US law to have committed an offence, which did not take place in either the US or UK? Is this a Colonial thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    What country was he a citizen of at that time
    Irrelevant
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    what does it mean to be a citizen
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    what rights therefore attach to it?
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    If we are content that this process of extraditing one Australian to the US for breaking its laws even when he was not in that country is fair,
    Happens all the time.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    How on earth can a British Judge
    It's called extradition, happens all the time.


    Sucks, but when it suits us we do it, when not we whine. Same as Australia deporting NZ citizens back to NZ.

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    So if China wants a Taiwanese citizen, resident in Asean, deported to the PRC for 'sedition and separatism'- say publishing a blog, that's ok? And it's quite OK for a Judge from that Asean nation to decide this? Be very scared then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    that's ok?
    That's the law . . . why are you suggesting that I'd be ok with that?


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Be very scared then.
    I hope you're addressing the general public.


    You have issues you want to fight, contact Interpol etc...

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    I think maybe 'arry and you should be the nervous ones, with all those nasty things you say about China.
    Do that somewhere that is a Chinese client state, and according to this precedent your goose is cooked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I think maybe 'arry and you should be the nervous ones, with all those nasty things you say about China. . .
    Extradition needs to be based on far more than that.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Do that somewhere that is a Chinese client state, and according to this precedent your goose is cooked!
    Yea, I'd rather be a snivelling sycophant apologist just in case . . . right?

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    Extradition needs to be based on far more than that.
    Not in the case of Assange it appears. He didn't publish any falsehoods, neither did he source the documents in the first place. He published them, with his compatriots, on the Wikileaks website- based in Geneva if I recall correctly. So the US says, well what- this damaged my interests, or my feelings got hurted? One can only hope China is not influenced by this kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So if China wants a Taiwanese citizen, resident in Asean, deported to the PRC for 'sedition and separatism'- say publishing a blog, that's ok? And it's quite OK for a Judge from that Asean nation to decide this? Be very scared then.
    1. Does China have an extradition treaty with Taiwan
    2. Does it say "If someone is accused of a crime that exists in both countries legal systems, can they be extradited"?

    Answers on a postcard to:

    Witless fuck sabang
    Somewhere on some different fucking planet because it definitely isn't earth.
    The next post may be brought to you by my little bitch Spamdreth

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Not in the case of Assange it appears. He didn't publish any falsehoods, neither did he source the documents in the first place. He published them, with his compatriots, on the Wikileaks website- based in Geneva if I recall correctly.
    Yes, that is right.

    Normally, it would be covered under the first amendment — freedom of the press — like the pentagon papers.

    Though, Assange really really embarrassed the deep state boys who want his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Not in the case of Assange it appears. He didn't publish any falsehoods, neither did he source the documents in the first place. He published them, with his compatriots, on the Wikileaks website- based in Geneva if I recall correctly. So the US says, well what- this damaged my interests, or my feelings got hurted? One can only hope China is not influenced by this kind of thing.
    He's charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion.

    That will happen when you receive and use documents you know were stolen from someone else's computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    the first amendment — freedom of the press
    No such thing in UK law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    the first amendment — freedom of the press — like the pentagon papers
    No such thing in UK law.
    Have you followed the case?

    The 17 charges of espionage are in the states.

    In the UK, he was charged with violating bail terms and already served that 50-week sentence.

    Since then, he's been held in jail for extradition to the states and not given bail due to hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy last time.

    Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules - BBC News

    Despite serving his sentence for breaching bail conditions, Mr Assange remains in prison while he fights extradition because of his history of absconding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Yes, that is right.

    Normally, it would be covered under the first amendment — freedom of the press — like the pentagon papers.

    Though, Assange really really embarrassed the deep state boys who want his head.
    Don't be an idiot, breaking into someone's computer has nothing to do with the exercise of free speech.

    Good luck to his lawyer if he wants to try that as a defence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Yes, that is right.

    Normally, it would be covered under the first amendment — freedom of the press — like the pentagon papers.
    Don't be an idiot, breaking into someone's computer has nothing to do with the exercise of free speech.

    Good luck to his lawyer if he wants to try that as a defence.
    Harry, I would have thought you to be better read than this.

    The"breaking into a computer" charge is minor:

    Indictment and arrest of Julian Assange - Wikipedia


    He was charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion (i.e. hacking into a government computer), a relatively minor crime that carries a maximum 5-year sentence
    Compared to the espionage charges — for obtaining and publishing the material — which has a maximum sentence of 170 years

    Indictment and arrest of Julian Assange - Wikipedia

    On 23 May, Assange was indicted on 17 new charges relating to the Espionage Act of 1917 in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia.

    The Espionage Act charges carry a maximum sentence of 170 years in prison.

    The Obama administration had debated charging Assange under the Espionage Act but decided against it out of fear that it would have a negative effect on investigative journalism and could be unconstitutional.


    The new charges relate to obtaining and publishing the secret documents.

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    It is a f'ing joke, the man is a saint who just happens to like threesomes with Swedish girls. I think that is where the main beef is coming from. As with most things in life, they usually have something to do with pussy somewhere along the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    Swedish girls. I think that is where the main beef is coming from.
    Sweden dropped those charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Sweden dropped those charges.
    Most of them reached their statute of limitations because the cowardly rapist hid in an embassy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Most of them reached their statute of limitations because the cowardly rapist hid in an embassy.
    True, though, like the computer intrusion charges you mentioned — those charges were minor compared to the espionage charges where he faces 170 years.

    So, Harry: Do you think the higher courts in America will side with the government on the espionage charges?

    Or the whole thing will eventually be thrown out of court?

    Anyways, why are you so keen on seeing Assange locked up in the states?

    It's primarily right-wingers chanting "lock him up", as it were.



    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    The Obama administration had debated charging Assange under the Espionage Act but decided against it out of fear that it would have a negative effect on investigative journalism and could be unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Anyways, why are you so keen on seeing Assange locked up in the states?


    It's primarily right-wingers chanting "lock him up", as it were.
    You just answered your own question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Sweden dropped those charges.
    I was joking. I was saying that the real reason the American big chiefs are angry at him is because he got a Swedish threesome and they didn't or at least if they did they would have to pay dearly for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    I was joking. I was saying that the real reason the American big chiefs are angry at him is because he got a Swedish threesome and they didn't or at least if they did they would have to pay dearly for it.
    Hilarious joke. Real rib tickler.

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