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    Thai woman wants to sell her kidney. (Should it be legal ?)



    A 64 year old Thai woman says she wants to sell her kidney to help her family with their financial problems brought on by the Covid-19. The woman from the central province Nakhon Pathom, just west of Bangkok, says that due to the disease control restrictions during the outbreak, she was forced to close her Chinese restaurant.
    Since then, she’s struggled to make ends meet and help support her household which includes her daughter, 2 sons, daughter-in-law and 2 grandchildren. She says she couldn’t benefit from the Thai government’s Covid-19 relief programme because no one in her family knew how to use a smartphone to apply. On top of that, her daughter’s pay at the meatball factory was cut down to 200 baht a day. Neighbours have helped out by donating food, but it hasn’t been enough. Now, the woman has come forward to the media saying she wants to sell her kidney.
    “I do not know whether it is against the law or not, but I want to sell it.”


    Selling an organ is illegal… but it’s not that uncommon in Southeast Asia. According to a report from Channel News Asia, there have been several advertisements for healthy kidneys on social media in the Philippines and a number of Facebook groups where people offer to sell their kidneys. Some people offer to pay around USD$2,000 to USD$3,000 for a healthy kidney.


    Typing something along the lines of ‘kidney donation Philippines’ or ‘kidney for sale’ in the Facebook search bar will reveal countless posts by organ brokers, kidney patients and hopeful sellers who want to leverage social media’s reach to complete a deal.



    A Philippine Department of Justice official told CNA that the “kidney is the most commonly trafficked organ due to its high demand in the black market and the fact that a donor can survive with only one kidney.”


    In Cambodia, an 18 year old said he sold his kidney for USD$3,000, according to a report from AFP back in 2014. A neighbour had approached him about selling a kidney and he told AFP “She said you are poor, you don’t have money… if you sell your kidney you will be able to pay off your debts.”

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    I think it should totally be legal but highly regulated. You should be able to apply for it and then a regulatory body could review them and decide.

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    Gosh yes, I agree with you on this one Backspin.

    And 3,000 USD for a kidney is ridiculously low priced. The brokers must be making a killing.

    One kidney is okay, two is way better. I lost a kidney last year while a doctor was performing an operation on my right leg so I do have some understanding of these matter. I've pretty much had to give up alcohol and recreational drugs as a result. It's a hell of a way to get clean

    To anybody needing that single kidney it is of incalculable value.

    Yup, legalize and open it to hell up.


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    The market price should be $30,000+. A commission can look at the plans of the seller and decide. If they are going to just buy a Nissan Monaro with it then no.

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    Isn't it legal in the states to sell your kidney? I believe people sell their blood over there. And quite a few trumpista's generously donated their brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Isn't it legal in the states to sell your kidney? I believe people sell their blood over there. And quite a few trumpista's generously donated their brains.

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    I know selling organs is illegal in Canada and I suspect it is the same in the USA, in this area of the law one will find little difference between the two jurisdictions.

    So why we ask is it illegal to sell kidneys? If it were up to Mr. and Mrs. Common Joe I'm sure few would be opposed to the practice.

    If we haven't noticed yet the 'medical community' are a very strange collection. They are generally motivated only and entirely to the god of money so there must be something in the proposed practice that is going to cost them money. What that is I haven't figured out yet. Any input is invited with those familiar with the blood letters practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Isn't it legal in the states to sell your kidney? I believe people sell their blood over there. And quite a few trumpista's generously donated their brains.
    Yeah, I mean you can probably get one from a chinky prisoner for a modest price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yeah, I mean you can probably get one from a chinky prisoner for a modest price.
    A better address is somewhere else and much better accessible. Only the boss is currently at the court in Hague, however, it will be soon clarified anyway...

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    No, it should not be legal. Legalizing it makes poor people organ farms for the rich - and frankly, fuck that.

    We should be able to help poor people without forcing them to sell of body parts.

    Legalizing would maybe only have an effect on the kidney market. How about hearts, etc - or they should be allowed to sell those as well?

    The long term solution to the organ shortage is actually simple. Everybody is automatically opted IN to the donor scheme. You can opt out if you wish - but then you cannot benefit from the scheme in the future.

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    Actually, jokes aside, Thailand is known for the kidney replacement in private hospitals. Even if not so cheap, it's cheaper for foreigners than in other (rich) countries, also a shorter waiting time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    No, it should not be legal. Legalizing it makes poor people organ farms for the rich - and frankly, fuck that.
    Agreed

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    How much do you reckon klondick got for his brain?

    I can't imagine it was a huge amount of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    The long term solution to the organ shortage is actually simple. Everybody is automatically opted IN to the donor scheme. You can opt out if you wish - but then you cannot benefit from the scheme in the future.
    The only problem with your proposed solution is that it is a bit of a pipe dream when you think it through and is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future.

    Have you any idea of how regulatory reform takes in western democracies. I could name you twenty reasons why it's not going to happen but will spare you that.

    People running out of dialysis options need the bloody kidney now. End of.

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    ^it is the current policy in Singapore.

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    Good to hear. And come to think about it if a country decides to adopt the policy then the rich western authorities have little to say about it. I hope more countries adopt the policy. So the private hospitals in Bangkok offer a plan. Anyone know what they charge for a kidney and the operation in Bangkok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    And come to think about it if a country decides to adopt the policy then the rich western authorities have little to say about it.
    Singapore is wealthier and more developed than most western countries

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    Singapore is a world leader in many areas, no argument there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    No, it should not be legal. Legalizing it makes poor people organ farms for the rich - and frankly, fuck that.

    .
    That's the dead ended egalitarian dogma around the issue. Nobody is lobbing for a free for all. It would be the same process as it is now, except with some compensation.

    Who are you to tell 2 consenting adults what they can or cannot do ? Its not logical to have things in society that are illegal but legal to give away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Singapore is wealthier and more developed than most western countries
    And its not a democracy any more than Russia is.

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    One commonly cited reason for a lack of opposition in Singapore is the use of defamation lawsuits by the PAP to bankrupt political opponents and disqualify them from running for office when accusations were made against the ruling party.[11][12] Cases include former leader of the WP J. B. Jeyaretnam and leader of the SDP Chee Soon Juan, who were bankrupted in 2001 and 2011 respectively.[13][14][15]



    Another reason given is the pursuit of legal action against journalists and bloggers critical of the PAP and its policies.[8][16] Reporters Without Borders cites such lawsuits, along with attempts at making critical journalists unemployable, among its concerns when ranking the country 151st in the world for press freedom in 2017

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    Years ago (around 2005, I think) I watched this mini docu on a local program here (PH) about people on a particular island selling their kidneys for ~80,000 pesos (~1,600 usd).

    It was Siargao island, which is now locally known for surfing & tourism. Back then, the tourism industry was still starting and it was a sleepy agricultural island town. Other than farming/ fishing or being an OFW, people had no other sources of income, so they sold their kidneys. Back then, an operation (for the recipient) cost ~400k pesos (~8k usd) in a top private hospital. I don't know how much it costs now.

    The sad thing about the docu was that the guy spent the money on mostly frivolous stuff (bought a TV, had parties, etc) so in 1 year, the money was gone. He was out of 1 kidney and was broke again. Sad...

    Does it still happen here? I don't know for sure, but most probably yes. Is it illegal? Yes, but it still happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    Years ago (around 2005, I think) I watched this mini docu on a local program here (PH) about people on a particular island selling their kidneys for ~80,000 pesos (~1,600 usd).

    It was Siargao island, which is now locally known for surfing & tourism. Back then, the tourism industry was still starting and it was a sleepy agricultural island town. Other than farming/ fishing or being an OFW, people had no other sources of income, so they sold their kidneys. Back then, an operation (for the recipient) cost ~400k pesos (~8k usd) in a top private hospital. I don't know how much it costs now.

    The sad thing about the docu was that the guy spent the money on mostly frivolous stuff (bought a TV, had parties, etc) so in 1 year, the money was gone. He was out of 1 kidney and was broke again. Sad...

    Does it still happen here? I don't know for sure, but most probably yes. Is it illegal? Yes, but it still happens.
    Those were illegal and unsanctioned by any international body. And yes, this illegal action probably still exists.

    About the guy and his frivolous stuff. At the end of the day, people make their choices. Its just as sad to see people working for years in coal mines or something and wasting their money from that on frivolous stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    ^it is the current policy in Singapore.
    And the UK now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    Who are you to tell 2 consenting adults what they can or cannot do ?
    Society has always been able to tell consenting adults what they can or cannot do.

    Mainly to stop fucktards like you who think exploiting poverty is a viable solution to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Mainly to stop fucktards like you who think exploiting poverty is a viable solution to anything.
    Easy to change his mind on this one...



    Hey socal,

    Boomers will buy all the kidneys and corner the market.

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