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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And its not a democracy any more than Russia is.
    Who gives a shit in this context . . . you're beating the same old drum over and over and are shown to be a moron each time. Wiki . . .

    Also from Wiki, you moron

    The politics of Singapore takes the form of a parliamentary representative democratic republic whereby the President of Singapore is the head of state, the Prime Minister of Singapore is the head of government, and of a multi-party system.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Hey socal,

    Boomers will buy all the kidneys and corner the market.
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    Thing is Luv, if you sell your pussie you can still use it again. But.....

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    Questions spring to mind.

    Are kidneys priced on the age of the donor?

    In the case of this 64 year old woman can't she get some of the family to generate some income to help out?

    At 64 how long can the recipient expect to get in years extra (in life terms) for the investment?

    Condoning this practice doesn't seem like a good position to take. Afterall these are fellow human beings...maybe they are the peasant class but I don't think we should us them like lab rats.

    Aren't their enough people dying of natural causes that can be harvested for organs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Aren't their enough people dying of natural causes that can be harvested for organs?
    But they're not donors.

    More countries need to enact opt-out legislation so that there are more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I think it should totally be legal but highly regulated. You should be able to apply for it and then a regulatory body could review them and decide.
    Yes indeed .'cause we all know regulators in Thailand are incorruptible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Questions spring to mind.

    Are kidneys priced on the age of the donor?

    In the case of this 64 year old woman can't she get some of the family to generate some income to help out?

    At 64 how long can the recipient expect to get in years extra (in life terms) for the investment?

    Condoning this practice doesn't seem like a good position to take. Afterall these are fellow human beings...maybe they are the peasant class but I don't think we should us them like lab rats.

    Aren't their enough people dying of natural causes that can be harvested for organs?
    No. When the government arbitrarily sets a price of something at zero , you get shortages.

    Id sell one of my kidneys for a million dollars payable in gold bullion. Do you feel sorry for me too ? I would just retire a little earlier instead of agonizing in the workforce for longer.

    Let's make it legal only for first world people then. These are all things that could be negotiated. Nobody is advocating a free for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Yes indeed .'cause we all know regulators in Thailand are incorruptible.
    Then make it only legal in G7 countries.

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    I don't see the problem here.

    There are obviously countries where the process is legal and other countries such as India where the practice is already widespread. If a 'westerner' with the money and need for a kidney wants to buy one from a willing seller in another country then what's the problem. It's really no one else's frigging business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I don't see the problem here.

    There are obviously countries where the process is legal and other countries such as India where the practice is already widespread. If a 'westerner' with the money and need for a kidney wants to buy one from a willing seller in another country then what's the problem. It's really no one else's frigging business.

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    Arabs can quite easily get hold of donor organs in places like India.

    That includes hearts.

    Can you see a problem here?
    Last edited by harrybarracuda; 15-06-2021 at 02:42 AM.

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    Not at all.

    Please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Not at all.

    Please explain.
    Fuck, are you that simple?

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    We may be talking at cross purposes here.

    Are you always such an asshole consumed by intelligence?

    Just thought I'd ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Arabs can quite easily get hold of donor organs in places like India.

    That includes hearts.

    Can you see a problem here?
    Infinum ad absurdum. There should be no international organ trading. All within country and highly regulated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Infinum ad absurdum
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Not at all.
    Wealthy Arab (seeing as that was mentioned) needs a kidney. Calls 'reputable' organ trader who 'orders' a kidney from his business partner in India. Said business partner places order with 'harvester'. Result: two kidneys and one dead Indian - out of 1.3 billion, who is going to check after palms have been greased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Not at all.

    Please explain.
    Your lack of knowledge, understanding or ethics is not other posters problems to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Fuck, are you that simple?
    Seems so!

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    Re: India, in the movie Slumdog Millionaire, the protagonist (as a kid) escaped from a gang who get poor kids & maim them. Apparently, blind kids (or lacking of other parts) get more donations as beggars. I've heard from an Indian friend that this indeed happens in some places.

    In PH, 10-15 years ago there was this rumour circulating that people (men & women) would get drugged/ roofied in bars/ clubs. They'd wake up in strange places & would have incisions at one side of their back, indicating that 1 kidney had been harvested.

    Are those practices legal & moral? No, because the procedures were done against their will - consent wasn't given. And would it be correct for ppl in richer countries to harvest organs from poorer countries? Some might say it's Darwinian - survival of the fittest, but to me it's just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    No, it should not be legal. Legalizing it makes poor people organ farms for the rich - and frankly, fuck that.

    We should be able to help poor people without forcing them to sell of body parts.

    Legalizing would maybe only have an effect on the kidney market. How about hearts, etc - or they should be allowed to sell those as well?

    The long term solution to the organ shortage is actually simple. Everybody is automatically opted IN to the donor scheme. You can opt out if you wish - but then you cannot benefit from the scheme in the future.
    Concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    And would it be correct for ppl in richer countries to harvest organs from poorer countries? Some might say it's Darwinian - survival of the fittest, but to me it's just wrong.
    Of course it would not be between countries. But there are middle class Canadians who would sell their kidney to a really rich Canadian but it is illegal.

    I'd sell mine for a million bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I'd sell mine for a million bucks.
    It would be weak, quit working at the first sign of difficulty and blame the pancreas... $10 tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    It would be weak, quit working at the first sign of difficulty and blame the pancreas... $10 tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    I'd sell mine for a million bucks.
    Sad to say, even if it became legal, there would certainly be rules in place to protect the feeble minded. Your kidneys are just going to have to stay where they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    It would be weak, quit working at the first sign of difficulty and blame the pancreas... $10 tops.

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    This thread reminds me of Kandy Mountain. my daughter loved it when she was young, You have to watch it to the end , Charlie. Its only 3 minutes long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    At 64 how long can the recipient expect to get in years extra (in life terms) for the investment?
    If you are somebody whose kidney/kidneys are going to buy the farm in two years and if they receive the kidney and get thirty years then that seems a convincing argument. Actually the answer to the question is a resounding "it depends"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Condoning this practice doesn't seem like a good position to take. Afterall these are fellow human beings...maybe they are the peasant class but I don't think we should us them like lab rats.
    What do lab rats have to do with anything?



    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Aren't their enough people dying of natural causes that can be harvested for organs?
    "Harvest" yes I'm beginning to find the term disgusting. Another term to brainwash the peasants I suppose.

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