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    Western nations want "democracy" in Syria so badly

    Western nations want ‘democracy’ in Syria so badly they close embassies and prevent Syrians from voting in presidential elections

    "This week, Syrians around the world will vote in the 2021 Presidential elections (those in Syria will vote on May 26). That is, if Western nations re-open the embassies they so democratically shut years ago. Western leaders hypocritically claimed concern for Syrians and wanted to ensure they live democratically – by funding and arming terrorists from around the world to slaughter them and destroy their homes, governmental buildings, and historic and cultural places–but continue to do everything in their power to make it difficult-to-impossible for Syrians to exercise their rights to vote for their president.

    In closing Syrian embassies around the world, the regime-change alliance made very clear that they do not want the Syrian people to exercise their democratic right to vote in presidential elections past and future. They know that Syrians would come out in masses to vote for their president.

    Around 2012, most embassies in Western (and Gulf) countries closed, claiming they no longer recognized the Syrian government, claiming also the Syrian government was brutally attacking peaceful, democratically-minded, protesters. Those lies convinced many that this narrative was the truthful one (unbelievably, after the lies of WMDs in Iraq and the myriad other lies that sold wars, which I wrote about on the anniversary of the war on Syria).

    But it is 2021, and by now we know that this was a premeditated and cruel war on the people of Syria, spurred forth by the media who truly do not care about the lives of Syrians.
    Canada was one such country to self-righteously cut ties with the Syrian government (while covertly supporting terrorism in Syria, and later supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine) and shutter Syrian embassies.

    In 2014, although the Syrian embassy was open, the German government banned Syrians in Germany from voting. Police at embassies blocked people from entering to vote. Syrians did come to the embassy to vote, but police wouldn't allow them in.

    This year, the German government also banned the Syrian community from voting."

    Western nations want ‘democracy’ in Syria so badly they close embassies and prevent Syrians from voting in presidential elections — RT Op-ed

    Western and their vassals' democracy, human rights upheld?.

    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Russia stumbles in the fog of Syrian war

    Pavel K. Baev

    The February 10 Israeli air force strike on the Tiyas (or T-4) military airbase near Palmyra, Syria brought the Syrian civil war into a new phase, as my Brookings colleagues Dror Michman and Yael Mizrahi-Arnaud recently argued. Russia overall finds its ability to control the complex Syrian conflict—particularly the interplays between the parties involved—much diminished. Just a couple of months ago, its mission of ensuring the survival of the internationally ostracized Bashar al-Assad regime evidently appeared so accomplished to President Vladimir Putin that he declared “victory” in Syria. But Russian forces on the ground are still taking casualties, Russia’s alliances are in disarray, and its Syria policy has lost decisiveness and direction.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/

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    The Tightening of the NATO Noose


    Brian Cloughley May 18, 2021

    "One of the most recent developments on the NATO front line was a meeting of the so-called ‘Bucharest Nine’ which the analytical agency Stratfor states “is a group of NATO’s easternmost members, including Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Slovakia.

    Most of these countries share strategic interests on issues such as deterring potential Russian aggression, keeping close cooperation with the United States, diversifying their sources of energy, and developing joint infrastructure projects.

    ” The purpose of the video get-together, attended by President Biden and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, was, according to the US-NATO military alliance “to take the agenda forward” in its mission “to consolidate views on issues of interest in the Alliance for the participating nations, and to support joint security projects.

    In other words, the purpose of the Bucharest Nine is to help NATO exert even further pressure on Russia’s western border regions, as part of the US-NATO confrontation that is being ramped up while the US and its NATO allies retreat from Afghanistan.

    Where they have been defeated in a war that has humiliated the world’s most expensive and sophisticated military machines. They’ve been beaten into the ground by a bunch of raggy-baggy militants who don’t have any strike aircraft or drones or tanks or artillery.

    The Taliban have no intention of permitting democracy in Afghanistan, when they eventually take over, after NATO’s retreat, and the country will be plunged into a maelstrom of theocratic bigotry and barbarity.


    NATO followed the US into Afghanistan in August 2003 with the mission “to enable the Afghan authorities and build the capacity of the Afghan national security forces to provide effective security, so as to ensure that Afghanistan would never again be a safe haven for terrorists.

    ” It declares that the war and the transition to a training role in 2015, have represented “NATO’s longest and most challenging mission to date:

    At its height, the force was more than 130,000 strong with troops from 50 NATO and partner nations.” And they still got whipped by a few thousand militants who objected to the presence of foreign forces in their country.


    So it’s back to Europe for US-NATO, having had a fun-war on Libya in 2011 when it blasted the country in the name of peace. This fandango of savagery was named “Unified Protector” but all it protected was the profits of Western arms manufacturers.

    After seven months of bombing and rocketing the country, involving 9,600 airstrikes, the then NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen went to Tripoli and declared he was

    “proud of the part the Organization and its partners played in helping the country and the region.”

    But as we know only too well, the country is in chaos.


    As I wrote six years ago, two prominent figures involved in the US-NATO war on Libya were Ivo Daalder, the US Representative on the NATO Council from 2009 to 2013, and Admiral James G (‘Zorba’) Stavridis, the US Supreme Allied Commander Europe (the military commander of NATO) in the same period. As they ended their war, on October 31, 2011, these two ninnies had a piece published in the New York Times in which they made the absurd claim that

    “As Operation Unified Protector comes to a close, the alliance and its partners can look back at an extraordinary job, well done. Most of all, they can see in the gratitude of the Libyan people that the use of limited force — precisely applied — can affect real, positive political change.”

    But Human Rights Watch reports that the civil war unleashed by the US-NATO destruction of the country has

    “hampered the provision of basic services including health and electricity. Armed groups on all sides continued to kill unlawfully and shell indiscriminately, killing civilians and destroying vital infrastructure.”

    And for those seeking to flee the anarchic bedlam there is no support from NATO countries. The US-NATO military intervention in Libya has resulted in a massive number of human rights atrocities of which the world — and especially Obama, Daalder, Stavridis and Rasmussen — should be deeply ashamed.

    According
    to Human Rights Watch,

    “Migrants, asylum seekers, and refugees in Libya — including thousands intercepted at sea while trying to reach Europe and returned by the European Union-supported Libyan Coast Guard — faced arbitrary detention, during which many experienced ill-treatment, sexual assault, forced labour, and extortion . . .”


    The only achievements of the US-NATO military alliance in the last twenty years or so have been destruction of Afghanistan and Libya and infliction of destitution and death on countless millions of people.

    So it is time for the alliance to focus on another sphere of operations in order to try to justify its existence. It’s back to the happy Cold War days, and at the European Council on 6 May Secretary General Stoltenberg was pleased to announce that

    “Just as we speak, we are deploying thousands of troops as part of a NATO exercise and we do that in Romania. And it demonstrates how we mobilize and exercise NATO troops, and also how we’re able to deploy them across Europe.”

    Just as they did in Afghanistan.

    Then came the meeting of the Bucharest Nine, at which President Biden announced overwhelming approval for the confrontation policy and

    expressed his support for enhancing NATO’s deterrence and defence posture, as well as the importance of Allies increasing their resilience against harmful economic and political actions by our strategic competitors… he welcomed the opportunity to engage with these Allies – as well as with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who was also in attendance – about Alliance efforts to meet future threats, which will be discussed at the June 14 NATO Summit.”

    It is all stoking up for an ultimate head-to-head, and there is no indication that President Biden will agree to talk with President Putin before the NATO summit. In fact, even if the White House does begin to consider dialogue rather than confrontation it is unlikely that Biden will withdraw his 2020 declaration that

    “I think the biggest threat to America right now in terms of breaking up our security and our alliances is Russia.”

    Biden’s “unshakeable” commitment to NATO, together with his unqualified support for the ’Bucharest Nine’ and for the increasing NATO military buildup along Russia’s borders are open indications of his intention to continue Washington’s confrontation policy, using NATO as the US front-runner.

    The surge along “NATO’s Eastern Flank” at present involves manoeuvres called “Steadfast Defender”, which Stoltenberg declares

    “it will test NATO’s readiness and military mobility – with forces deploying across land and sea, all the way from North America to the Black Sea region and off the coast of Portugal.”

    Although it is evident that US-NATO is not exactly the most efficient military alliance in recent history, given the debacles, destruction and ensuing chaos in Afghanistan and Libya, it is only too evident that it is determined to ensure “rapid reinforcement of NATO’s European Allies by North American forces” in order to exert more military pressure on Russia.

    As announced by the Pentagon’s John Kirby, the “Defender Europe” NATO manoeuvres in May-June are intended to demonstrate:

    “lethality” in “the Balkan and Black Sea regions in particular”.


    NATO’s military noose round Russia’s borders is being tightened in order to force Moscow to react to surging provocation.

    There is no possible benefit to the world, to humankind, in this belligerent confrontation. But the Pentagon and its sub-office in Brussels are determined to intensify NATO’s border buildup and sabre-brandishing."

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/05/18/the-tightening-of-the-nato-noose/


    As if the world in not aware of NATO's ability when delivering it's “lethality”.
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    A report on human rights that some boast so proudly about and the reality that their “lethality” can deliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    “As Operation Unified Protector comes to a close, the alliance and its partners can look back at an extraordinary job, well done.

    Most of all, they can see in the gratitude of the Libyan people that the use of limited force — precisely applied — can affect real, positive political change.”
    Libya

    Events of 2020

    Chapter Headings:

    Armed Conflict and War Crimes4

    Judicial System and Detainees

    International Justice and the ICC

    Death Penalty

    Internally Displaced Persons

    Freedom of Speech and Expression

    Women’s Rights and Sexual Orientation

    Migrants, Refugees, and Asylum Seekers

    Covid-19

    Key International Actors

    Details of the delivered “lethality” illustrated here:

    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/libya
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    Some other countries can actually deliver positive outcomes to their citizens.

    BEIJING -- The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China on Friday released a white paper titled "Tibet Since 1951: Liberation, Development and Prosperity."

    Liberation, Development
    and Prosperity

    The State Council Information Office of
    the People's Republic of China
    May 2021

    Full Text: Tibet Since 1951: Liberation, Development and Prosperity - Chinadaily.com.cn

    Continuously, from 1951 to the present day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Some other countries can actually deliver positive outcomes to their citizens.
    No, don't tell me!!

    Let me guess!!



    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China on Friday released a white paper titled "Tibet Since 1951: Liberation, Development and Prosperity."



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    ^

    Well done.

    Your video source appears to legit.

    Desperate for funds, a good benefactor funding it and giving editorial advice, is always useful.


    "The Zee Media Corporation Limited (abbreviated as ZMCL; formerly Zee News Limited) is the news broadcasting company of the Essel Group.[21] The company operates a constellation of news channels under the brand name of Zee including the English language news channel WION.[37]"


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Well done.
    Yes, it is. Shown you up to be a hypocrite again.

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    ^^ Your beloved source, Strategic Culture Foundation, seems well legit also.


    The Strategic Culture Foundation


    The Strategic Culture Foundation is an online journal registered in Russia that is directed by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and closely affiliated with the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.1 One of its core tactics is to publish Western fringe thinkers and conspiracy theorists, giving them a broader platform, while trying to obscure the Russian origins of the journal. This tactic helps the site appear to be an organic voice within its target audience of Westerners.

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...m_08-04-20.pdf


    Out of curiosity, why do you start a thread about Syria then go scattershot all over the place with unrelated stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Out of curiosity, why do you start a thread about Syria then go scattershot all over the place with unrelated stuff?
    Because he is a full stop nutter that's why.

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    Do western nations want cultural genocide in Syria then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Do western nations want cultural genocide in Syria then?
    There already is genocide in Syria and Russia is an active participant in it, bombing civilian sites like hospitals with a vengeance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^^ Your beloved source, Strategic Culture Foundation, seems well legit also.


    The Strategic Culture Foundation


    The Strategic Culture Foundation is an online journal registered in Russia that is directed by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and closely affiliated with the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.1 One of its core tactics is to publish Western fringe thinkers and conspiracy theorists, giving them a broader platform, while trying to obscure the Russian origins of the journal. This tactic helps the site appear to be an organic voice within its target audience of Westerners.

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...m_08-04-20.pdf


    Out of curiosity, why do you start a thread about Syria then go scattershot all over the place with unrelated stuff?
    OhOh was on a propaganda roll. To think a dictator (Assad) who regularly imprisons and tortures opponents (wait for the whatabout) is a legitimate President is a denial of reality. His Audience of 3 will no doubt lap it up. As I have said many times, It is a pity OH is such a propagandist. He is an intelligent person who has something to offer to a wider audience if he was more a comentator and less a propagandist which destroys his credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Russia stumbles in the fog of Syrian war

    Pavel K. Baev

    The February 10 Israeli air force strike on the Tiyas (or T-4) military airbase near Palmyra, Syria brought the Syrian civil war into a new phase, as my Brookings colleagues Dror Michman and Yael Mizrahi-Arnaud recently argued. Russia overall finds its ability to control the complex Syrian conflict—particularly the interplays between the parties involved—much diminished. Just a couple of months ago, its mission of ensuring the survival of the internationally ostracized Bashar al-Assad regime evidently appeared so accomplished to President Vladimir Putin that he declared “victory” in Syria. But Russian forces on the ground are still taking casualties, Russia’s alliances are in disarray, and its Syria policy has lost decisiveness and direction.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/

    That's just junk to dress it up as badly as they can for the western public.

    The reality is, it was a big test and the Russians passed. They are taken seriously by everyone in the region now. And they got a lot of orders for their military equipment out of it.




    On 4 October 2017, a three-day visit of King of Saudi Arabia Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud to Russia began, the first official trip to Russia (or the USSR) by a reigning Saudi monarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    OhOh was on a propaganda roll. To think a dictator (Assad) who regularly imprisons and tortures opponents (wait for the whatabout) is a legitimate President is a denial of reality. His Audience of 3 will no doubt lap it up. As I have said many times, It is a pity OH is such a propagandist. He is an intelligent person who has something to offer to a wider audience if he was more a comentator and less a propagandist which destroys his credibility.
    The Assad admin. is the UN recognized government of Syria. Not sure what gave you the idea that it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    There already is genocide in Syria and Russia is an active participant in it, bombing civilian sites like hospitals with a vengeance.
    How about MSNBC and Jeffrey Sachs ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The Assad admin. is the UN recognized government of Syria. Not sure what gave you the idea that it wasn't.
    Read my post I said he was a murdering Dictator. Nothing to do with the idiots in the UN.

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    The western countries want "Democracy" in Syria as long as who ever is elected would play ball with them and Israel, otherwise a cooperating dictator will do. In the absence of both Civil war or "Liberation" is in order.
    Anyone who thinks otherwise should have their heads examined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Read my post
    Asking skidmark, sabang, Ohno and Klongdick to do so is futile

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Anyone who thinks otherwise should have their heads examined.
    Absolutely. Be it China, Russia or the US (and others) do what they feel benefits them. To exclude on of the big three is both disingenuous and Skidmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Read my post I said he was a murdering Dictator. Nothing to do with the idiots in the UN.

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    To think a dictator (Assad) who regularly imprisons and tortures opponents (wait for the whatabout) is a legitimate President
    There is actually a definition for legitimacy. Its not based on everyones opinions sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Its not based on everyones opinions sir.
    Who are you addressing and who are you quoting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    There is actually a definition for legitimacy. Its not based on everyones opinions sir.
    Indeed. Is the Thai gov legitiment? Reckon depends on who you ask but seems west, east and in between deem it so.

    "Legitimacy, popular acceptance of a government, political regime, or system of governance. The word legitimacy can be interpreted in either a normative way or a “positive” (see positivism) way. The first meaning refers to political philosophy and deals with questions such as: What are the right sources of legitimacy? Is a specific political order or regime worthy of recognition? As such, legitimacy is a classic topic of political philosophy. The second meaning relies on empirical approaches that try to measure the degree of popular acceptance of existing regimes or try to test causal explanations for low or high degrees of legitimacy."
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The Assad admin. is the UN recognized government of Syria. Not sure what gave you the idea that it wasn't.
    Speaking of the UN. A good friend of mine who worked for the UN told me that the motto of the UN food and agricultural organisation (UNFAO) is Fiat Panis (let there be bread) but the UN staff called it Fat Penis because it fucked everything it touched.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    There is actually a definition for legitimacy. Its not based on everyones opinions sir.
    Quite right. Legitimate Govts are is based on the will of the majority of the people usually in fair and free elections without coercion or intimidation.

    BTW your childish attempt at sarcasm (and your fascination with excrement) only diminishes further your err... rather unenviable reputation.

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    Legitimate Govts are is based on the will of the majority of the people usually in fair and free elections without coercion or intimidation.
    Which begs the question, why then are western governments preventing expat Syrians from voting in the Syrian Presidential election? Seems they know better than to believe their own propaganda. I don't know exactly why you apparently prefer an Islamist, Al Qaeda type gov't in Syria as opposed to the secular Baathist regime in place now, but they would have no more chance of victory than a Kurdish party running a candidate (actually I think there is one). Like it or lump it, there is no viable electoral alternative to the current Baathist regime lead by Assad the Optometrist and his Morgan Stanley investment banker wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Which begs the question
    . . . it doesn't actually. Especially not a leading 'question' that purports to be a question but is, in fact, a Klondyke/OnHo 'question'

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