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    China's Auschwitz - Xinjiang and Uighurs.

    Primitive enough propaganda to fool their own people, but why would the Chinese authorities think this works with anyone else? The cringeworthy propaganda footage is taken directly out of the Soviet Union's playbook - but like with most everything 'made in China' it is 30 years late and not half as good.

    Reminder that this is not a western, nor a western-funded news site, nor is it considered MSN, so the usual apologists' shouts about CIA/MSN/Mossad/Soros etc... don't apply.


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    "Something very similar to Auschwitz is happening in the 21st century"

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    Is there a Chinese joke that goes along the lines of: My father died in a Uighur camp. Really? Yeah he fell out of the guard tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    "Something very similar to Auschwitz is happening in the 21st century"
    And if Israel held one million Palestinians in a concentration campcamp, forced sterilised the women, castrated the men etc...

    And no, the situation in Israel and the occupied territories isn't the same now


    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Is there a Chinese joke that goes along the lines of: My father died in a Uighur camp. Really? Yeah he fell out of the guard tower.
    . . . probably.

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    It's just like Butlins.












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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    campcamp
    Not like tc to miss this.

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    Whew, got away with it, no-one noticed. Thanks, cyrille. Green on the way.

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    are there any pics of these concentration camps?

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    "Criticisms attract the Dragon's wrath."



    Beautiful.

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    'Himalayan camps', Falun Gong, Adrian Zenz. Such great sources. I tend to take Youtube videos and on the ground testimony from western expats actually living in China and (gasp) visiting Xinjiang a little more at face value. Or good old fashioned Chinese propaganda-

    Article: Uyghur-Xinjiang Explained in Four Minutes | The China Wiki


    Why won't those Uyghurs just start dying? It would make the genocide narrative a bit less farcical. USAF perhaps?

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    China is doing the same thing to the Uighur as they did the Tibetans. They overrun their areas with Han Chinese then destroy the local culture by force. Don’t know why this is so hard to understand. Those groups should be left alone to modernize the way they see fit, not at the hand of outsiders.



    Clip regarding what is considered genocide...

    The four-page UN Genocide Convention was approved by the United Nations General Assembly in December 1948 and has a clear definition of what constitutes "genocide." China is a signatory to the convention, along with 151 other countries.


    Article II of the convention states genocide is an attempt to commit acts "with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."


    There are five ways in which genocide can take place, according to the convention: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


    From here. China Xinjiang: First independent report into Uyghur genocide allegations claims evidence of Beijing's 'intent to destroy' Muslim minorities - CNN

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    So, if a native American female in the USA has the same right to contraception and abortion as every other female US citizen, that's equality right?
    But if an Uyghur woman has the same rights to contraception and abortion as (gasp) every other female Chinese citizen, that's Genocide?


    And if, say, an American born Chinese citizen chooses to marry in a white western wedding dress, rather than traditional Chinese garb, that's her Right?
    But if an Uyghur Chinese citizen has the same Right, that's Cultural Genocide?? Gotcha.

    Not to mention the Right to choose her own husband, arranged marriage can not be forced on Her as a Chinese citizen. Cultural Genocide.

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    Another Horror story from Chinas Auschwitz -



    Breaking stereotypes with wedding gowns in Xinjiang




    n Xinjiang, traditions still maintain that women can't leave the house freely and dress as they wish. Even wearing a white gown to a wedding is unacceptable to many. Samira Arkin, who owns a bridal shop in Kashgar, wants women to embrace their independence and openly express their wish to be beautiful.


    <span style="color: rgb(49, 48, 48); font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, pf_dintext_proregular, &quot;Microsoft Yahei&quot;, &quot;Hiragino Sans GB&quot;, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 36px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">


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    None of that changes the fact that Chinese find Uighur culture hostile and want to erase it. The have invaded a land and forcefully taken over. Again.

    The Chinese made the problem with the Uighur themselves and now try to solve the problem by putting anyone they think too Uighur into camps for re-education.

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    There are Uyghur restaurants all over China, there are Uyghur celebrities. No doubt they found the Uyghur terrorists, such as ETIM, hostile- wouldn't you? So did most of the Uyghurs themself. There is no genocide, full stop- it is a concocted lie. There is a struggle between tradition and modernity among the Uyghur themself- but the traditionalists are rather getting old and dying. I prefer that pretty, modern Uyghur lady above. It is obvious what side the Chinese government is on.

    But if you prefer a life where marriage is arranged for you and you are only allowed out of your housing compound with your arranged husbands permission MissKit, you will probably still find a few places like that in bordering 'stans. You can even bemoan your more affluent, more free and better dressed cousins over the Chinese border for Cultural Genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So, if a native American female in the USA has the same right to contraception and abortion as every other female US citizen, that's equality right?
    But if an Uyghur woman has the same rights to contraception and abortion as (gasp) every other female Chinese citizen, that's Genocide?


    And if, say, an American born Chinese citizen chooses to marry in a white western wedding dress, rather than traditional Chinese garb, that's her Right?
    But if an Uyghur Chinese citizen has the same Right, that's Cultural Genocide?? Gotcha.
    Indeed, I think you have it sabang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But if you prefer a life where marriage is arranged for you and you are only allowed out of your housing compound with your arranged husbands permission MissKit
    A women's perspective is often different.

    Misskit may find that not at all unpalatable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post

    Reminder that this is not a western, nor a western-funded news site, nor is it considered MSN, so the usual apologists' shouts about CIA/MSN/Mossad/Soros etc...
    Founding team

    The founding team included Rohit Gandhi and Leon Desai as editor-in-chief,[6] Mandy Clark, former CBS correspondent,[7] and Mithaq Kazimi, American media executive,[8] as managing producers respectively. Known journalists included Saad Hammadi, Bangladesh bureau chief and former correspondent for The Guardian,[9][10] Archith Seshadri, former CNN anchor,[11] and Tathagata Bhattacharya, former editor of the CNN web edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    China is doing the same thing to the Uighur as they did the Tibetans. They overrun their areas with Han Chinese then destroy the local culture by force. Don’t know why this is so hard to understand. Those groups should be left alone to modernize the way they see fit, not at the hand of outsiders.
    This . . .


    It isn't minimised by how other countries treat their population, so the usual whataboutism is quite weak, pathetic and apologist

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    Uyghur exiles describe forced abortions, torture in Xinjiang

    ISTANBUL (AP) — Three Uyghurs who fled from China to Turkey have described forced abortions and torture by Chinese authorities in China’s far western Xinjiang region, ahead of giving testimony to a people’s tribunal in London that is investigating if Beijing’s actions against ethnic Uyghurs amount to genocide.


    The three witnesses include a woman who said she was forced into an abortion at 6 1/2 months pregnant, a former doctor who spoke of draconian birth control policies, and a former detainee who alleged he was “tortured day and night” by Chinese soldiers while he was imprisoned in the remote border region.


    They spoke to The Associated Press of their experiences before testifying by video link to the independent U.K. tribunal, which is expected to draw dozens of witnesses when it opens four days of hearings on Friday.


    The tribunal, which does not have U.K. government backing, will be chaired by prominent human rights lawyer Geoffrey Nice, who led the prosecution of ex-Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic and worked with the International Criminal Court.

    While the tribunal’s judgment is not binding on any government, organizers hope the process of publicly laying out evidence will compel international action to tackle growing concerns about alleged abuses in Xinjiang against the Uyghurs, a largely Muslim ethnic group.


    One witness, mother-of-four Bumeryem Rozi, said authorities in Xinjiang rounded her up along with other pregnant women to abort her fifth child in 2007. She said she complied because she feared that otherwise authorities would have confiscated her home and belongings and endangered her family.


    “I was 6 1/2 months pregnant ... The police came, one Uyghur and two Chinese. They put me and eight other pregnant women in cars and took us to the hospital,” Rozi, 55, told the AP from her home in Istanbul.


    “They first gave me a pill and said to take it. So I did. I didn’t know what it was,” she continued. “Half an hour later, they put a needle in my belly. And sometime after that I lost my child.”


    Semsinur Gafur, a former obstetrician-gynecologist who worked in a village hospital in Xinjiang in the 1990s, said she and other female clinicians used to go from house to house with a mobile ultrasound machine to check if anyone was pregnant.


    “If a household had more births than allowed, they would raze the home ... They would flatten the house, destroy it,” Gafur said. “This was my life there. It was very distressing. And because I worked in a state hospital, people didn’t trust me. The Uyghur people saw me as a Chinese traitor.”


    A third Uyghur exile, Mahmut Tevekkul, said he was imprisoned and tortured in 2010 by Chinese authorities who interrogated him for information about one of his brothers. Tevekkul said the brother was wanted partly because he published a religious book in Arabic.


    Tevekkul described being beaten and punched in the face during questioning.


    “They put us on a tiled floor, shackled our hands and feet and tied us to a pipe, like a gas pipe. There were six soldiers guarding us. They interrogated us until the morning and then they took us to the maximum-security area of the prison,” he said.


    The tribunal is the latest attempt to hold China accountable for alleged rights abuses against the Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim and ethnic Turkic minorities.


    An estimated 1 million people or more — most of them Uyghurs — have been confined in re-education camps in Xinjiang in recent years, according to researchers. Chinese authorities have been accused of imposing forced labor, systematic forced birth control and torture, and separating children from incarcerated parents.


    Beijing has flatly rejected the allegations. Officials have characterized the camps, which they say are now closed, as vocational training centers to teach Chinese language, job skills and the law to support economic development and combat extremism. China saw a wave of Xinjiang-related terror attacks through 2016.


    The hearings’ organizers said Chinese authorities have ignored requests to participate in the proceedings. The Chinese embassy in London did not respond to requests for comment, but officials in China have said the tribunal is set up by “anti-China forces” to spread lies.


    “There is no such thing as genocide or forced labor in Xinjiang,” the region’s government spokesperson Elijan Anayat told reporters Thursday. “If the tribunal insists on going its own way, we would like to express our severe condemnation and opposition and will be forced to take countermeasures.”


    In April, Britain’s parliament followed those in Belgium, the Netherlands and Canada in declaring that Beijing’s policies against the Uyghurs amounted to genocide and crimes against humanity. The U.S. government has also done the same.


    But Nice, the lawyer leading the tribunal, said so far those declarations of genocide have come with limited analysis of evidence about the intentions behind the Chinese government’s policies.


    “It is the mental state of those organs (of the Chinese government) that would have to be examined or established and proved if any finding of genocide is ever to be made,” Nice said. “It’s pretty obvious that purpose and intent is going to be critical.”


    Nice was one of nine British citizens sanctioned by China in March for spreading “lies and disinformation” about the country. The move came after the U.K. and other Western governments took similar measures against China over its treatment of the Uyghurs.


    The lawyer said he isn’t intimidated, but admitted that the sanctions have resulted in some participants withdrawing from the tribunal. Organizers also said they have been subjected to cyber targeting. They had to increase the event’s security after about 500 of the hearings’ free tickets were booked up by people with fake email addresses.


    While her fellow exiles said they agreed to testify to seek justice, Rozi, the woman who reported the forced abortion, says she is motivated to speak out for a more personal reason. Her youngest son has been detained since 2015, when he was just 13, and she hopes the tribunal’s work will help lead to his freedom one day.


    “I want my son to be freed as soon as possible,” she said. “I want to see him be set free.”


    Uyghur exiles describe forced abortions, torture in Xinjiang

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So, if a native American female in the USA has the same right to contraception and abortion as every other female US citizen, that's equality right?
    But if an Uyghur woman has the same rights to contraception and abortion as (gasp) every other female Chinese citizen, that's Genocide?

    I do believe the fucking mong is trying to equate access to contraception and medical treatment with forced sterilisation and forced abortion.


    How fucking dumb can you be?


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    Indeed, I think you have it sabang!

    Well I suppose that answers that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Beijing has flatly rejected the allegations.

    of course they have. And I bet that’s good enough for

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There are Uyghur restaurants all over China, there are Uyghur celebrities.
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There is no genocide, full stop- it is a concocted lie.
    Your attempts at being antiWestern, antidisestablishmentarianism have delved into complete apologist and offensive nonsense now.

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    I am sure it is offensive to many KW, to be told they are being spoonfed propagandised bullshit. It seems in the post truth era, many people prefer to live within their bubble of delusion unchallenged. But it doesn't change the fact there is no Uyghur genocide, and rolling out a choice few Uyghur dissidents, no doubt funded and primed by the NED, does not change that fact either.

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