Thread: UK journalist Craig Murray jailed for 8 months

Originally Posted by sabang

But of course, you "believed" Julian Assange was guilty of rape too.

Was? He is guilty even if he is not sentenced for it.

^^ He isn't guilty. He never was. This isn't a thread about the disgraceful treatment of Assange, and the mockery it has made of our 'justice' system, so I will leave it there. plenty of material out there if you wish to research further.

Originally Posted by sabang

This isn't a thread about

Originally Posted by sabang

why is it that the politicians and media moguls that propagated those monstrous lies about Saddam and 911, or WMD's

So, it's ok when you do it?

I do it better.

you "believed" Julian Assange was guilty of rape too.

Originally Posted by lom

Was? He is guilty even if he is not sentenced for it.

Open your window before you trow your principles out

Originally Posted by sabang

^^ He isn't guilty. He never was. This isn't a thread about the disgraceful treatment of Assange, and the mockery it has made of our 'justice' system, so I will leave it there. plenty of material out there if you wish to research further.

He got off it by hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy until the case disintegrated. Sort of like a Red Bull Heir.

So he's not only a Putin lackey, he's a sex offender.

I don't need to redebunk what has already been thoroughly debunked 'arry- one of the two 'victims' has already recanted her testimony, the other gone to ground, and a key prosecution witness has both recanted his testimony and declared he was coerced by agents acting for the US govt. There is no case to answer.

Rather, I would ask the reader a simple question- What does your legal or Justice system mean to You?
Is it a means to extract revenge, to punish and 'cancel' people that express opinions you do not like by any means?
Or is it an impartial body of Law and precedent, before which every person is held equal?


If your answer is the first option then you do not believe in our Justice system at all, and you have no credible grounds on which to criticise China, Russia or any other country you do not like in this regard.

Harry just supports everything English, like a football team.

He has the fervour of a convert, which suggests he's an immigrant.

Originally Posted by sabang

I don't need to redebunk what has already been thoroughly debunked 'arry- one of the two 'victims' has already recanted her testimony, the other gone to ground, and a key prosecution witness has both recanted his testimony and declared he was coerced by agents acting for the US govt. There is no case to answer.

Rather, I would ask the reader a simple question- What does your legal or Justice system mean to You?
Is it a means to extract revenge, to punish and 'cancel' people that express opinions you do not like by any means?
Or is it an impartial body of Law and precedent, before which every person is held equal?


If your answer is the first option then you do not believe in our Justice system at all, and you have no credible grounds on which to criticise China, Russia or any other country you do not like in this regard.

China and Russia don't have a "justice system".

They have a "Dictator's enforcement system".

Originally Posted by cyrille

Harry just supports everything English, like a football team.

sybille on the other hand is a soap dodging lefty, the usual political recourse of the envious.

He has the fervour of a convert, which suggests he's an immigrant.

Since it is the left that has promoted immigration, primarily to swell the ranks of its voters, I'd say sybille is rather stretching it.

Yes, their legal systems are rather suss now aren't they. The people of HK value the fact they have their own legal system and Judiciary beyond measure.
Would you like to see our own legal system go the same way 'arry? Makes things a lot more simpler with these pesky types, dunnit?
Because that is the direction in which it is heading. Be careful what you wish for.

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, their legal systems are rather suss now aren't they. The people of HK value the fact they have their own legal system and Judiciary beyond measure.

Have you been living in a cave for the last six months?

The people of HK value the fact they have their own legal system and Judiciary

If it wasn't for the fact that you are "dangerous", I would mock you.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Harry just supports everything English, like a football team.

He has the fervour of a convert, which suggests he's an immigrant.

Probably arab

Originally Posted by helge

Probably arab

Allahu Akbar! Death to the Infidel and his filthy cartoons!

Let’s go for some Sabang-style whataboutism and compare US/UK style to Chinese. Honestly, boo-hoping over someone who got locked up for contempt of court.

And, yes, we have credible grounds to criticize China.


Calls Grow For Release of Wuhan Citizen Journalist on Hunger Strike

Fears are growing over the health of jailed citizen journalist Zhang Zhan after she was sent for medical treatment at the end of July for malnutrition following several months of hunger strike in a Shanghai prison.


Citizen journalist Zhang Zhan, 37, was sentenced to four years' imprisonment by Shanghai's Pudong District People's Court on Dec. 28, 2020.


One of a group of citizen journalists detained, jailed or "disappeared" after they went to the central city of Wuhan to cover the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, Zhang was sent to see the doctor by prison authorities on July 31 amid rising concerns for her health on hunger strike.


Her mother said via social media that her daughter currently weighs just 40 kilograms, and is seriously malnourished with swollen legs and feet.


Zhang has been eating very small amounts of food in protest at her imprisonment in order to avoid forced intubation and feeding.


She pleaded not guilty at her trial, where she appeared in court in a wheelchair.


MORE Calls Grow For Release of Wuhan Citizen Journalist on Hunger Strike — Radio Free Asia

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Death to the Infidel and his filthy cartoons!

Your wish has been granted

(he died a couple of weeks ago)

More..

Ex-Marine Whelan Unreachable in Russian Prison for Over a Month – Lawyer

Former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan, who is convicted of espionage in Russia, has not been in touch with his family for more than a month, one of his lawyers said Tuesday.


A Moscow court last year found Whelan guilty of receiving classified information at an upscale hotel in 2018 and sentenced him to 16 years in prison. Whelan, 51, who also holds Canadian, British and Irish passports, denies the charges and says the case against him was politically motivated.

One of Whelan’s lawyers Vladimir Zherebenkov said last week that he had been placed in solitary confinement in a central Russian penal colony for an unknown infraction. The ex-Marine’s brother David Whelan said that was his second consecutive placement in solitary confinement.


“I filed a negligence complaint through the Federal Penitentiary Service’s electronic reception today,” Whelan’s other lawyer Olga Karlova told Interfax on Tuesday.


“I sent an email asking how I can talk to [Whelan] on the phone and why he hasn’t been in touch with his family and the [U.S.] embassy for more than four weeks,” Karlova said.


She said the penal colony’s administration has not responded to the requests that she had sent on July 26.


Karlova also noted that Whelan’s defense team could still file a motion at the end of every month to send him to the U.S. to serve his sentence there.


“Paul gave us the general authority” to file for his transfer on his behalf, she said.

Ex-Marine Whelan Unreachable in Russian Prison for Over a Month – Lawyer - The Moscow Times




Really, Sabang, our western court systems aren’t better than this?

Originally Posted by misskit

Let’s go for some Sabang-style whataboutism and compare US/UK style to Chinese. Honestly, boo-hoping over someone who got locked up for contempt of court.

And, yes, we have credible grounds to criticize China.

I think you missed a few, although the three chinky stooges aren't going to like it. Amazing how they can turn a blind eye when it's the chinkies doing it to silence dissent.

China worst offender in record-breaking year for jailing of journalists

China is the world’s leading jailer of journalists for the second year in a row, according to an annual survey by the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), which also found that 2020 was a record year for the number of journalists imprisoned globally.

As of 1 December, at least 274 journalists were behind bars in relation to their work, according to the CPJ survey. This figure does not include those who had been arrested and released, paroled, or assaulted in the course of performing their duties.

China worst offender in record-breaking year for jailing of journalists | Press freedom | The Guardian



Expected Answers:

Sabang: "Ha it's the Guardian"
HooHoo "Every country has laws waffle waffle"
Klondick: "Wibble Wibble whatever hoohoo says"

Wibble, wibble.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Care to show the similarities?

There really aren’t many similarities. If Murray actually sits in a cell, you can bet he won’t locked away, mistreated, and silenced as those outside the West.

He's sitting in one now.

Originally Posted by sabang

He's sitting in one now.

Probably asking his fellow prisoners if it's OK to switch on RT and getting a smack in the kisser for his trouble.

Originally Posted by misskit

There really aren’t many similarities.

No similarities then.

Originally Posted by sabang

I don't need to redebunk what has already been thoroughly debunked 'arry- one of the two 'victims' has already recanted her testimony, the other gone to ground, and a key prosecution witness has both recanted his testimony and declared he was coerced by agents acting for the US govt. There is no case to answer.

Rather, I would ask the reader a simple question- What does your legal or Justice system mean to You?
Is it a means to extract revenge, to punish and 'cancel' people that express opinions you do not like by any means?
Or is it an impartial body of Law and precedent, before which every person is held equal?


If your answer is the first option then you do not believe in our Justice system at all, and you have no credible grounds on which to criticise China, Russia or any other country you do not like in this regard.

What I don't get is that they don't need to do this. Craig Murray is a harmless old man. Julian Assange is just some genX computer nerd. But they want to show that they are just as big of cvnts as everyone else I guess