Thread: Germans view the US as a greater threat than Russia.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Sheesh . . . that was a bit of a long one.

Sometimes length is a plus in SC. Especially when expressing one's opinion.

Originally Posted by panama hat

If the US (which they won't) decides to up sticks and go back to insularity then we're all stuffed as China will gleefully fill its belly with anything it can ft into it and Russia will bully Europe at will.

Doubt will happen in the foreseeable future as well but if and when it happens will have a detremental global impact as it did in the 1930s.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Could.

You mean with nukes ?

Who wants to rule over a graveyard and piles of ashes ?

And it would be suicidal

Only a mad man would.

(and right there the US comes into the picture)

Originally Posted by panama hat

Would.

(Scandi is safe; our deterence is that we complain too much and that the swedes are capable of carpet bombing Moscow with Surstrømming)


About the ongoing saber rattling: There are weapons on the shelves, that needs to be sold

Follow the money,mate

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Communism?

Nobody ever lived under communism

Not even PH

It would be nice to have that FACT established

Originally Posted by helge

Nobody ever lived under communism

True. The closest thing to the Communism envisioned by Marx would possibly be in an Israeli Kibbutz.

Originally Posted by helge

Nobody ever lived under communism
Not even PH
It would be nice to have that FACT established

Pedant!! Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union was sufficient for me, thanks.

Originally Posted by helge

You mean with nukes ?
Who wants to rule over a graveyard and piles of ashes ?
And it would be suicidal
Only a mad man would.
(and right there the US comes into the picture)

Yup - and it wouldn't be a matter or ruling ver anyone or anything - Russia has more than enough land. Suicidal? I don't think so - the US wouldn't 'retaliate as Russia a would then throw whatever they have at them - the old mutual destruction defense.

A mad man? Nah, too many checks and balances for that . . . but someone with supreme power - that kind of power exists in two countries and neither of them is the US.

This is not a whitewash of the US - they've certainly caused more deaths and chaos outside their own borders than anyone else (possibly everyone else) since the 1950s, so OhNo, Klongdick and Skidmark can save their whataboutism.

The question Hal raised is contemporary and though the US could cause far more military and economic damage than the other two they won't. Limit it to economic and it depends on the regional impact . . . and to think China controls the world economy and can use that to go amok is wrong - too may unemployed in China and the regime will topple.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Yup - and it wouldn't be a matter or ruling ver anyone or anything

Then I have to ask Why then ?

Europe pushing too far east and getting involved in etnic conflicts ?

Because that's the only option I can see

There are so many russian minorities living in the former soviet countries, that a rusian reaction could come...tomorrow.

All it takes is someone to massacre the folks in a village inhabited by etnic russians and Putin has an excuse/is forced to intervene.

That is how war is created

Originally Posted by panama hat

amok

Using malay language on TD is equal to spending time in jail

Adios, Amigo

Originally Posted by helge

Using malay language on TD is equal to spending time in jail

Adios, Amigo

Not Malay!!! Ta Boleh, encik Helge!

Originally Posted by helge

All it takes is someone to massacre the folks in a village inhabited by etnic russians and Putin has an excuse/is forced to intervene.

That is how war is created

Indeed . . . and he'd do it. It wouldn't even take another country or its citizens to do it, as history has proven

Originally Posted by panama hat

and he'd do it

I can't rule that out

Other sides however have cynic bastards too, you know

Originally Posted by helge

All it takes is someone to massacre the folks in a village inhabited by etnic russians and Putin has an excuse/is forced to intervene.

If a country wants a war, they will have one even if they invent a reason aka an incident. I was nearby and had a shipmate involved in one of such "incident" which was immediately followed by a declaration of war.

Originally Posted by Norton

"incident"

Say it out loud, mate

MacNamara admitted it long ago

Originally Posted by Norton

If a country wants a war, they will have one even if they invent a reason aka an incident. I was nearby and had a shipmate involved in one of such "incident" which was immediately followed by a declaration of war.

Absolutely . . . wasn't the first nor will it be the last time.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union was sufficient for me, thanks.

Please disclose to us what was sufficient to you... (didn't you mention that you used to live in Chechnya?)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Please disclose to us what was sufficient to you...

Just a wild guess but thinking Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union was sufficient for me, thanks.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Please disclose to us what was sufficient to you...

Originally Posted by Norton

Just a wild guess but thinking Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union

Stands to reason . . . but then it's Klongdick we're talking about.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

(didn't you mention that you used to live in Chechnya?)

No, would you like to make up some more shit . . . or do please post a quote where I did. Ah, Klongdick . . . as good as Pravda

Why not be a good coffin-dodger and go stand in the corner with Skidmark, he has a liking for you - instead of addressing the issue, you have that in common

Originally Posted by panama hat

No, would you like to make up some more shit

It's probably another one of his hilarious stoner 'jokes' that others just aren't sharp enough to appreciate.

Between Klongdick and his vivid imagination/jokes and OhNo and his child-abuse jokes . . . totalitarian societies really develop the cream of the crop

Originally Posted by Backspin

Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy. The survey also shows that the federal government has lost support in Corona management.

Frankfurt - What about global democracy? And the influence of which countries threatens democracy in Germany? The answers to these questions are provided by the Democracy Perseption Index (DPI) of the market research institute Latana. Since 2018, the institute has interviewed more than 50,000 people annually from 53 countries around the world. Among them 1009 Germans. The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world. The client is the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, which is founded by Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former NATO Secretary General and former Prime Minister of Denmark. The non-profit organization says it is committed to "promoting democracy and free markets around the world."

The survey, conducted in the spring of 2021, shows that just over 36 percent of Germans see US influence as a threat to democracy. The population in Germany therefore considers the US to be more threatening on this issue than, for example, China (33 percent) or Russia (29 percent). Us influence on global democracy is also viewed more critically. At 51 percent, one in two respondents expressed concerns. Just over 32 percent are positive about the influence of the United States.

Demokratie-Umfrage: Deutsche sehen in den USA grossere Bedrohung als in China oder Russland | Politik

Nazi's and Commies don't like America. LMAO. I wonder why?

Maybe because the US has been occupying Germany with 43,000 troops since the surrender ?

Originally Posted by Backspin

Maybe because the US has been occupying Germany with 43,000 troops since the surrender ?

LOL just trust them not to do the same again.

Didnt we do that once before?

Originally Posted by havnfun

LOL just trust them not to do the same again.

Didnt we do that once before?

The British blockade didn't exactly help in the peace effort

Originally Posted by Backspin

The British blockade didn't exactly help in the peace effort

So the British didn't help the Nazi's. How dare they.

Originally Posted by lom

No, not "the population", not all of them. 36% of the population.

Only 36% of them are Nazi's

Originally Posted by havnfun

So the British didn't help the Nazi's. How dare they.

They helped start the war by blockading Germany completely

Originally Posted by Backspin

They helped start the war by blockading Germany completely

So nazi's are the victims???????

Originally Posted by Backspin

Germans view the US as a greater threat than Russia.

Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy.

I reckon that poll would have been up to around 80-85% if taken in 1942.