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    The doubt is not in one country, it is in the countries that cannot exercise moral control whilst possessing the means to threaten global security, surely you see that?

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    The OP title implies a majority of Germans. The first sentence states a minority. I stopped reading at that point and regretted opening a thread started by TD's village idiot.

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    ^ yep BS means just that

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ......don't underestimate his world...

    Wow. You are attacking the whole study to get a dig on me. Do you have any idea how dumb that is. And 2 other posters are doing it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Only 36% ? I thought Germans were smart.
    Most people, I know, consider americans very exceptional.

    Unreachable and very different


    That's my poll

    Trump and the american electorate tipped it and many folks realised the obvious

    Thanks to Donald

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    That is not the issue, the statistical error of 1009 being representative of 83M or 6Bn is at issue here and surely you cannot refute that?
    You don't know much about Statistics do you? The margin of error for a survey with 1009 conducted interviews (phone or otherwise) is +/- 3.09%
    This is from an 82,000,000 population or 'universe', and 95% confidence level in results

    eg-
    WSJ/NBC News Poll
    Microsoft Word - 4AE75A4D-599E-085A09.doc (wsj.com)
    Standard Questionnaire Template (wsj.com)


    ......don't underestimate his world...

    Here Einstein, go work it out for yerself:-

    The universal formula for the margin of error for a sample is





    where: p hat = sample proportion
    n = sample size
    z = your desired confidence levels



    Last edited by sabang; 08-05-2021 at 02:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You don't know much about Statistics do you? The margin of error for a survey with 1009 conducted interviews (phone or otherwise) is +/- 3.1%
    that's very representative of a hamlet sabang, thanks

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    You're just digging yourself deeper into a hole, as usual. I am awfully sorry that you are Butthurt about these results, which show that the US is not as universally adored and admired as you had naively thought.. Just to remind you though, I didn't come out with these figures, and neither did the OP- the worlds largest Democracy survey did. I'm just trying to educate you a bit about Statistics, and margin of error.

    To repeat, the margin of error for 1009 conducted interviews for a population group of 82mm (Germany) is +/- 3.09%
    But the margin of error for 1009 conducted interviews for a population group of USA is +/- 3.1%

    So choose your own hamlet. Numbers really suck, don't they? Here, have a cigar


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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    So you are now expanding the 1009 people to represent 2/3 of the worlds population, so c6 Bn, good Lord Sabang really.
    Apart from being dumb and daft are you also illiterate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Since 2018, the institute has interviewed more than 50,000 people annually from 53 countries around the world. Among them 1009 Germans. The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world.

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    Actually, the Germany is still an occupied country. And who has the guts to say what he really thinks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And who has the guts to say what he really thinks?
    Germany is not Russia, Germans can air their opinions without repercussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Germans can air their opinions without repercussion.
    So the days of Berufsverbot is over ?

    That's gut

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Germany is not Russia, Germans can air their opinions without repercussion.
    Sure, everybody can speak from his heart. Then however comes after: "How dares he?"

    That's why we sometimes read an apology, clarification (I was misquoted, I did not mean it so..., etc, I still want to keep my job, getting roles from Hollywood, I have to pay off my mortgage, car, son's education...)

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    Germans can air their opinions without repercussion.
    But when the crimeans, belarussians, venezuelans etc do- that is a crime against humanity, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Germany is not Russia, Germans can air their opinions without repercussion.
    BTW, where do you take the info from - who can do this, who cannot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy.
    Not surprising given the state of democracy practiced in the US over the last 6 months.

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    ^A fitting description of the situation as depicted by Paul Craig Roberts:

    As George Orwell said, who controls the present controls the past. Who controls the past controls the future. The US monopoly on news means the US controls explanations for the entire world with the exception of China, Iran, and North Korea. How wise Russia is to the US media is unclear. Russian English language news services have been forced to register as foreign agents (no other foreign news services have had this requirement except the Iranians), and are perhaps worried that they will be closed down if they depart too often from the official narratives. Locating those news services in the US where they can be intimidated was a mistake.

    Apparently the Russians believed that free speech existed in the US.

    Ever since Putin announced those years ago that the uni-polar world was no longer, Washington has been demonizing Russia. For reasons difficult to understand the Kremlin has tolerated Russia’s demonization and that of the Russian president. By seeming to acquiesce in its own demonization, the Kremlin has contributed to the success of American propaganda.

    Perhaps the problem is that Russia cannot comprehend the disrespect for truth that the US media and government symbolize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Not surprising given the state of democracy practiced in the US over the last 6 months.
    Actually, as Independent in UK see it, the negative view is because of Trump's rule...

    US is seen as a bigger threat to democracy around the world than Russia or China, new poll finds
    Four years of Donald Trump dings the United States’ reputation

    After four years of Donald Trump and rising political extremism in the United States, America is no longer the beacon of democracy it once was. At least according to a new poll that has found the US is perceived as a bigger threat to democracy than Russia and China.

    The survey was conducted between February and April, so the results may have been stained by the reputation left by Mr Trump. The survey did, however, acknowledge that the US’ reputation was improving since Mr Trump left office.
    US is seen as a bigger threat to democracy around the world than Russia or China, new poll finds | The Independent

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You don't know much about Statistics do you?
    It was a poll and polls depend much more on the questions than the statistical results.

    The influence of Trump has reduced the worldwide trust in USA. Post Trump the trust in the USA is improving. That's about it, apart from half the polled thinking that economic inequality is a danger to democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The influence of Trump has reduced the worldwide trust in USA. Post Trump the trust in the USA is improving.
    The polling was about the US threat, wasn't it? And when Trump was the only POTUS after WW2 who did not start any war and wanted to speak with many adversaries? (what was his main problem anyway)

    Unlike Biden who has set up his staff with warmongers, most of them engaged during Obama/Biden when so many wars started, now immediately threatening with wars, sending arms to Russia.

    And when the survey was conducted between February and April,

    And the world knows about the Freedom of Expression from the last months, beside what the world holds about the elections,

    So, where is the logic that:
    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The influence of Trump has reduced the worldwide trust in USA. Post Trump the trust in the USA is improving.
    ???

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    ^ I was just paraphrasing the article

    Als Grund dafür führte der Geschäftsführer der Alliance of Democracies, Jonas Parello-Plesner, die Amtszeit von Ex-Präsident Donald Trump an, durch die das Vertrauen in die US-Regierung weltweit gesunken sei.
    Allerdings, so Parello-Plesner, sei seit der US-Wahl 2020 Besserung zu erkennen. Gegenüber dem Spiegel sprach er von einem „Biden-Effekt“. Demnach sei seit der letzten Umfrage im Jahr 2020 die positive Wahrnehmung der USA um insgesamt 20 Prozent gestiegen.
    Als größten Bedrohungsfaktor für die Demokratie in Deutschland sehen die 1009 befragten Deutschen wirtschaftliche Ungleichheit (49 Prozent) gefolgt von der großen Macht der Technologiekonzerne und Einschränkungen der Meinungsfreiheit (40 Prozent).

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    The Germans are surely extremely positively excited about the "Vertrauen" in USA when Blinken just let them kindly know what the other before him about the Nord Stream2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ I was just paraphrasing the article
    But the fact that Trump could actually happen was the biggest wake-up call. Just because he's gone is irrelevant. He's going to run in 2024. And who knows what other brain dead lunatic the US could puke up next

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    ^Spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And who knows what other brain dead lunatic the US could puke up next
    Tucker Carlson will most likely be the next President.

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