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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    But that doesn't change the fact that there are 380 million guns in America that will be impossible to take from their owners without starting a civil war.
    I think they said that in every country that had a gun amnesty and/or buy back policy. Yes it will take longer to get the guns out of the general population but it is not impossible and will not cause a civil war. In the end, however much they complain, the general public will abide leaving a small residual that will diminish with time. It will certainly stop Mary Poppins popping out for a loaf of bread with a gun in her handbag.

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    You have a weapon industri and their lobbyists to take into consideration.

    You could tax the fuck out of ammunition and guns though

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    The Relentless Shrinking of Trumpís Base

    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Here you can see 2 people tell you why they want amnesties for illegal aliens, statehood for territories, and increasing “refugee” intake.
    You racist idiot it is not immigrants that are the biggest cause of the demographic change. It is that right wing views are unpopular with younger people and the GOP base is shrinking because of the rapidly declining numbers of white voters without college degrees (trumpanzees like yourself).

    In 2016, Donald J. Trump confounded the polls in part by generating an unanticipated level of enthusiasm and turnout from a group that had grown increasingly apathetic about elections: white voters without college degrees.

    But in 2020, Mr. Trump and Joseph R. Biden Jr. face a drastically changed electorate. The cohort of non-college-educated white voters — who gave Mr. Trump just enough of a margin to win the election in 2016 — has been in a long-term decline, while both minority voters and white college-educated voters have steadily increased.

    The decline, a demographic glacier driven largely by aging, has continued since 2016. The number of voting-age white Americans without college degrees has dropped by more than five million in the past four years, while the number of minority voters and college-educated white voters has collectively increased by more than 13 million in the same period. In key swing states, the changes far outstrip Mr. Trump’s narrow 2016 margins.
    His campaign leaders are betting that a two-year grass-roots mobilization that has yielded significant voter registration gains will overcome the demographic disadvantage and the polls, again.

    “As a clear show of support for the president’s policies, Americans are registering as Republican with a Republican president in office,” said Samantha Zager, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign. “And those significant voter registration gains prove President Trump is expanding his base and will win four more years in the White House as a result.”

    Certainly, these white non-college-educated voters continue to show enthusiasm for Mr. Trump and Republicans — not just in approval polls that have been remarkably stable for four years, but also at the ballot box in 2018.
    Two years ago, even without the president on the ballot, white voters without college degrees turned out in numbers not seen in a midterm election in decades.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ographics.html

    The GOP's monstrous math problem

    Republicans, win or lose next week, face a big — and growing — math problem.

    The state of play: They're relying almost exclusively on a shrinking demographic (white men), living in shrinking areas (small, rural towns), creating a reliance on people with shrinking incomes (white workers without college degrees) to survive.

    Why it matters: You can't win elections without diversity, bigger population centers and sufficient money.

    Flashback: Before President Trump, the GOP acknowledged all this. Then-RNC Chair Reince Priebus said in his "autopsy" after Mitt Romney's loss in 2012:


    • "We need to campaign among Hispanic, black, Asian, and gay Americans and demonstrate we care about them, too. We must recruit more candidates who come from minority communities."


    What's happening:
    Trump threw that out and realigned the GOP base away from suburbs and wealth, and toward white working-class people in small towns.


    • New Gallup polling finds Trump remains above 50% with rural residents, white men and white adults without college degrees.
    • But he has dropped 9 points just this year with suburbanites — falling with both men and women — to 35%, after winning them in 2016.


    Republicans have hemorrhaged
    support among suburban women during the Trump years. Now, the GOP even struggles in exurbs.

    • Trump's plaintive pleas to these vital voters have become a 2020 punchline. "Suburban women, you’re going to love me. You better love me," Trump said last night in West Salem, Wisconsin.


    Another GOP drain:
    Voters are no longer following the traditional pattern of getting more conservative as they age.

    • In what Axios demographic expert Stef Kight calls the "liberal youth revolution," millennials and Gen Z are sticking with the Democratic Party as they move through adulthood.


    The demographic wind shear
    is also hitting Republicans financially, the N.Y. Times shows in a new analysis.

    • In ZIP codes with a median household income of $100,000+, Biden beat Trump 3 to 1 in fundraising, "accounting for almost his entire financial edge. In the rest of the country, the two were knotted closely."
    • Trump's sweet spot: Areas averaging $50,000 or less.


    What's next:
    Key players in the Republican Party tell Axios they're deeply concerned about winning back the suburbs.

    • Republicans eyeing 2024 runs know the party's current demographic math may not work for Trump again — and certainly won't work for them.

    https://www.axios.com/republican-vot...d9e3c8ac8.html

    You can scapegoat those poor people trying to cross the boarder because well racists got to racist. But no matter how much you cling to your alternative facts that ain't why change is happening. In regard to statehood that is what America does. The founding fathers never said that there should only be 50 states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barty View Post
    At least one person, maybe more, from the police force should be sitting in a jail cell right next to Tarrant because they are directly responsible for the murders in Christchurch.
    Why would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It will happen if the people want it to happen.
    As I said on the American Getting Shot thread.... the power is at the top and the rules need to change from the top down. Until then, I can't see much changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    As I said on the American Getting Shot thread.... the power is at the top and the rules need to change from the top down. Until then, I can't see much changing.
    very insightful

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Why would that be?
    The police issued him with a firearms license without following the law. At the time, police were supposed to interview two qualified individuals who act as character witnesses, this did not happen.

    Also, there is one somewhat well know NZ hunting enthusiast who claimed that he witnessed Tarrant and others acting suspiciously at a shooting range. He reported them to the police months before the massacre took place, but apparently, nothing was done about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barty View Post
    At the time, police were supposed to interview two qualified individuals who act as character witnesses, this did not happen.
    Yes, that is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    The USA is fucked [...]

    Just don’t fuck up the markets before I cash out and retire. Just need 15 more years and it can burn down for all I care.
    Wonder if it has anything to do with selfish, self-interested, assholes.

    Same people that go on about 'Ma RiGhTs!' and call themselves 'PaTRioTs!' probably.


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    Thailand has more gun related deaths per-capita than America.

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    Siri, give me an example of what's wrong with gun laws in the US...


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    ^ NY Times should know that the "Jake Laird Law" is a two-step process.

    The police confiscated his shotgun but it takes an additional Court Order to disqualify him from purchasing guns in the future.

    So NY Times, was the kid disqualified from purchasing guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    NY Times should know that the "Jake Laird Law" is a two-step process.
    I'm sure they do that's kinda the point, there's a problem with the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I'm sure they do that's kinda the point, there's a problem with the law.
    Is there in this instance?

    The incident was in response to his Mother's call and they took away the shotgun due to an assessment of his current mental state. That is not the same as saying that he had mental health issues, (which would require a Doctor's assessment). He could have been depressed, drunk or otherwise mentally incapacitated and may have been able to pick up the firearm later once the temporary condition cleared.

    That's why it's a two step process and clearly it was thought to be a temporary condition since a court order for disqualification was not obtained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Is there in this instance?
    Seriously?

    He killed eight people, wounded four others, and then took his own life.

    So yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thailand has more gun related deaths per-capita than America.
    But far fewer mass gun killings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    But far fewer mass gun killings.
    He is incorrect anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Seriously?

    He killed eight people, wounded four others, and then took his own life.

    So yeah.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

    It would be so much easier if they just banned guns ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

    It would be so much easier if they just banned guns ...
    His mother was concerned enough to tell the authorities that he wanted to suicide by cop. It's not hindsight.

    Legit having difficulty telling if you are actually being serious or not (or facetious for that matter) but, newsflash, it's not a zero sum game and it's entirely possible to have one without the other.

    Mass shootings aren't peculiar to the US alone but the frequency with which they occur and that no proper steps are ever taken to address clearly faulty gun laws is. Want evidence--just look at the last mass shooting or the ones before that or the ones that will, inevitably, come after this one.

    I don't think the statement that 'the US has a problem with its gun laws' can be considered controversial in any way whatsoever.
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    I guess we are at cross purposes again ant, my fault as I don't communicate particularly well at the best of times.

    Almost every time there is a mass killing in the USA the American media will try to rationalise it as a mental health ans/or a racial issue. If they can they will conflate both, as in this case with half the victims being Sikh. The fact that is was probably a disgruntled employee with access to high powered weaponry takes a back seat as that is way too common a possibility, especially in the current Covid climate.

    The fact is that all people are subject to being irrational at some time and especially under high stress. That means that no-one should be allowed immediate access to guns and certainly should not be allowed to carry them on a daily basis. This, in my view, includes Police, which is a reason why the UK police force is generally unarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thailand has more gun related deaths per-capita than America.
    Well, I've seen first hand the result of gun deaths in Thailand, but do you have a source to back that up? It is surprising to see that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Well, I've seen first hand the result of gun deaths in Thailand, but do you have a source to back that up? It is surprising to see that statement.
    Presumably it was quoted from Wiki...

    In 2016 Thailand's rate of violent gun-related deaths stood at 4.45 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. In comparison, that of the Philippines was 7.42; the US, 3.85; Cambodia, 0.96; Myanmar, 0.56; Malaysia, 0.46; Indonesia, 0.10; and Singapore, 0.03
    * Note that is according to 2017 figures.


    Firearms in Thailand - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Presumably it was quoted from Wiki...



    * Note that is according to 2017 figures.


    Firearms in Thailand - Wikipedia
    The USA gun mortality looks to be about 11.8/100,000 depending on where you find the data. So.... Thailand does not have more gun deaths than the USA.

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    Troy's stats were violent gun deaths. Yours probably included suicides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ^
    Troy's stats were violent gun deaths. Yours probably included suicides.
    Suicide by gunshot is not violent?

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