China v India - what could possibly go wrong

**strigils** · 12-04-2021, 02:23 PM

^^ there isn't much evidence of damming pre-1970 and i can find no evidence of Hyrdo power being used by China on the mekong before 1970 so i am willing to bet the main nfluence over the last 50 years is dams constructed since then.

**Klondyke** · 12-04-2021, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

But China bashing is topical for many around the world, unfortunately. Will it ever end?

It will not end if one believes what our 'arry says...

Originally Posted by strigils

They have but only recently has China started to interfere with these historic flows.

Just recently I wrote here about the 2 megaprojects (not very publicised) "interfering" with the historic flow of the big rivers flowing around Thailand (but not into Thailand)...

**strigils** · 12-04-2021, 02:31 PM

^ i did see that.

OhOh as usual is trying to suggest that Beijing's action have no effect but he often fails to put the boot on the other foot and see it from anyone apart from China's perspective.

**Klondyke** · 12-04-2021, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

^^ there isn't much evidence of damming pre-1970 and i can find no evidence of Hyrdo power being used by China on the mekong before 1970 so i am willing to bet the main nfluence over the last 50 years is dams constructed since then.

Do you mean the dams the Thailand built in last 50 years by Chinese? Can you name one?

Actually, the Chinese are now currently the best one in building of huge infrastructure projects, when realizing what all they had constructed within last 30 years on their own territory. So, it will not be very surprising if a not so developed country will ask them to build something for them. (Possible that some infrastructure projects also in a very developed country - how many $T given aside for the very publicised infrastructure? - will be helped by them

)

Similarly, as the first biggest hydro power plants in Thailand were built with US help - I mentioned here my contact with the head of Thai organisation who had spent a lot of years in Boulder CO more than 60 years ago, learning on the old famous dam (Boulder Dam, later Hoover Dam) all the tricks that he could later apply on the Thai projects.

Also the majority of (non-hydro) power plants had been built exclusively by US companies (later no so exclusively), what we will conclude out of this fact?

BTW, will the Mae Kong flow be possible to divert to China?

**tomcat** · 12-04-2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

BTW, will the Mae Kong flow be possible to divert to China?

...certainly, but first Laos will have to be renamed Southern Yunnan...

**Latindancer** · 12-04-2021, 05:01 PM

The Chinese may suck out a lot of water from the Mekong for irrigation somewhere.....somehow.

If you want to see what the future holds for that region in India, look no further than what is happening downstream in the Mekong today.

**strigils** · 12-04-2021, 05:43 PM

General water abstraction is becoming a worldwide problem with boreholes draining aquifers and then sucking up and concentrating harmful chemicals like arsenic etc.

**OhOh** · 12-04-2021, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

OhOh as usual is trying to suggest that Beijing's action have no effect

Try reading my post that illustrate how the Chinese people have worked together to gradually improve and EFFECT their lives. The alternative offer "me, me, me" has shot its bolt.

Except for of course the snuBS invincible CBG dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by strigils

he often fails to put the boot on the other foot and see it from anyone apart from China's perspective.

Quite the opposite I was in the industry for many years. The dams have been growing, in China especially, over as you suggest the last 50 - 70 years. They had centuries of neglect to make up. Along with hungry people.

What has changed is some showing concern for the many previously vassals of western countries UK, France ameristan, Germany, Spain., HOLLAND .... Rather than leaving them alone they even try to set those idyllic tourists spots in amber. These countries around the world are watching, joining up and developing as never before.

Thus, some try their hardest to push them back into their dependency colonial state. The ASEAN and central Asian countries are all ripe for development, rather than by extractive exploitation of their populations The west has plundered them for centuries, but proven alternatives and concrete examples are now available.

If those countries leaders and populations wish.

The world is a big place, with many opportunities and all with a variety of pressing needs.

There are now, alternatives.

**OhOh** · 12-04-2021, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

look no further than what is happening downstream in the Mekong today.

How many dams have been built in Myanamar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam? Why? It seems many to provide electricity to foreign countries.

Thailand!

They now look to energise their own countries, their own industries and their own citizens.

Is that not allowed?

**Latindancer** · 12-04-2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

General water abstraction is becoming a worldwide problem with boreholes draining aquifers and then sucking up and concentrating harmful chemicals like arsenic etc.

Not to mention causing rising salt, which ruins that area for agriculture for a long time.

**OhOh** · 12-04-2021, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

General water abstraction is becoming a worldwide problem with boreholes draining aquifers and then sucking up and concentrating harmful chemicals like arsenic etc.

Which countries?

Hopefully not Libya. Are the South Americans crossing the Rio Grande aware of this?

**strigils** · 12-04-2021, 06:56 PM

^ RU haviing a moment?

The UK for one.

**OhOh** · 12-04-2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

RU haviing a moment

One does wonder about Russia sometimes.

**harrybarracuda** · 12-04-2021, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Try reading my post that illustrate how the Chinese people have worked together to gradually improve and EFFECT their lives.

Yes. It's like they are all happy and free and working for the common good.

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**helge** · 12-04-2021, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

They have but only recently has China started to interfere with these historic flows.

You didn't bother to open the link, I posted for your enlightment, did you ?

**helge** · 12-04-2021, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

the mekong

Ah, we drifted eastwards.

My mistake

Too late to edit the thread title again ?

**strigils** · 12-04-2021, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by helge

You didn't bother to open the link, I posted for your enlightment, did you ?

I did Helge, thanks.

Originally Posted by helge

Ah, we drifted eastwards.

We do indeed seem to have slipped down the wrong tributary.

Whisper it but i thinks its OhOh, he's affraid of India

**panama hat** · 13-04-2021, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

If you want to see what the future holds for that region in India, look no further than what is happening downstream in the Mekong today.

The difference being that India will bomb the shit out of any dam China builds - tiny SEAsian nations can't do that

**OhOh** · 13-04-2021, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

he's affraid of India

I have no fear of anyone, Indian or otherwise. Do you?

**OhOh** · 13-04-2021, 01:57 PM

I presumed due to the title the thread would focus on China and India. Their relationship and regarding managing the water supply issues.

Others TD members introduced another geographical area and military actions. Which they believe are acceptable solutions:

Originally Posted by strigils

holding a lot of countries to ransom with their control of water resources, look at the Mekong.

Originally Posted by strigils

able to produce triple the electricity generated by the Three Gorges

Originally Posted by strigils

the massive project as an environmentally-friendly alternative to fossil fuels, but it risks provoking strong opposition from environmentalists in the same way as the Three Gorges Dam, built between 1994 and 2012.

The Three Gorges created a reservoir and displaced 1.4 million inhabitants upstream.
"Building a dam the size of the super-dam is likely a really bad idea for many reasons," said Brian Eyler, energy, water and sustainability program director at the Stimson Center, a US think tank.

Originally Posted by strigils

Tempa Gyaltsen Zamlha, an environmental policy specialist at the Tibet Policy Institute, a think tank linked to the Tibetan government-in-exile based in Dharamshala, India.

Originally Posted by strigils

New Delhi is also worried by the project.

The Chinese Communist Party is effectively in a position to control the origins of much of South Asia's water supply, analysts say.

"Water wars are a key component of such warfare because they allow China to leverage its upstream Tibet-centred power over the most essential natural resource," wrote political scientist Brahma Chellaney last month in the Times of India.

Originally Posted by strigils

holding a lot of countries to ransom with their control of water resources, look at the Mekong.

Originally Posted by strigils

so i am willing to bet the main nfluence over the last 50 years is dams constructed since then.

None of whom have substantiated their allegations or the allegations of the source material.

The accusation that, China to leverage its .... without a single instance as evidence.

Look elsewhere in the world, and you will find countless examples of illegal wars, illegal sanctions and actual arm twisting or unsavoury actions torture even.

Should the thread be retitled "China Bashing 11/04/21?"

Strip out the bashing and self projecting actions, what is left?

**panama hat** · 13-04-2021, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I have no fear of anyone

**strigils** · 13-04-2021, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Should the thread be retitled "China Bashing 11/04/21?"

Not at all, its early days yet. So far Chna has only started a few border incursions into India, now this posturing over a new dam, its warming up nicely which i assume is precisely Xi's intent. It wouldn't surprise me if China unearthed some clay tablet that suggests most of India was once under Chinese control and so they have a legitimate claim to most of the indo gangetic plain and eastern pakistan.

**panama hat** · 13-04-2021, 04:35 PM

^ Funny you should mention that. The Communist Party just found an unadulterated map from 93.000 BC:

The map is currently not available or public viewing as the China's representatives wouldn't 'make shit up', said Dr Kani Nabu Ciao Cibai from the 'Magnificent People's Adornment of The Great China Freedom and Prosperity' bureau

.

**OhOh** · 13-04-2021, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by strigils

Not at all, its early days yet.

Tally-ho, free the hounds:

**russellsimpson** · 14-04-2021, 02:03 AM

good stuff all.

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