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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Why should anyone have to negotiate over a sovereign state?

    It's the equivalent of arguing that you need to negotiate with a burglar that he does not rob your house, and if you don't, it's somehow your fault when you do get robbed!
    Cuba has the sovereign right to join the CSTO (the Russian NATO) and host Russian nuclear weapons. The United States would not allow this. It would attack the country and put an end to it.

    Anyway , you would have voted to allow Ukraine in NATO if you knew it would cause this war ? How about no Ukraine in NATO and no war ? Finland hasn't been in NATO since the inception of NATO and its not attacked or pestered by Russia at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    This.

    Poor Ukraine. The city of Kiev existed 665 years before Moscow, but with a dictator on their doorstep desperate to rekindle the "glory" days of the Soviet Union, it looks like they'll never really be free of the Russian bastards and the misery that entails.
    Kiev is the original Moscow. It was called the Kievian Rus. The mongols drove the Russians out of Kiev. And it has played host to various invaders ever since.

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    Ukraine is something like size of Texas and one of the largest countries in Europe. Russians will have another Afganishtan but this time against Europeans who are educated and can fight very smart guerrilla war moving here and there hitting key installations always hurting the enemy. And hell, they will get intel from GCHQ and NSA. After enough Russians are killed, Russia will exit and we see helicopters leave with the last Russian and what remains of any stooge government

    Support Ukraine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The mongols drove the Russians out of Kiev. And it has played host to various invaders ever since.


    How does any of this disprove any of what I said above?

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Kiev is the original Moscow..
    It was a city 665 years before Moscow existed and the point, which you have clearly missed or ignored, is that it is not Russian property. It is the capital city of a sovereign state and should be free to choose its own direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recon View Post
    Ukraine is something like size of Texas and one of the largest countries in Europe. Russians will have another Afganishtan but this time against Europeans who are educated and can fight very smart guerrilla war moving here and there hitting key installations always hurting the enemy. And hell, they will get intel from GCHQ and NSA. After enough Russians are killed, Russia will exit and we see helicopters leave with the last Russian and what remains of any stooge government

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    I was thinking about this earlier.

    The UK, US and others are obviously gonna be arming any opposition to the teeth in terms of intelligence and arms.

    What happens next?

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    Good question. Now Russian Shock and Awe like US and UK did with Iraq didn't happen. Slow (but steady) progress in old fashioned way seems to be how it goes for Russians and body bags all the way. The officer who releases dog tags to family must be thinking was it worth it. Just my 1 cent.

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    ^ I think the Russians are well aware of this. They want a quick strike to the capital, Kiev, take out the government and pull out after installing their own puppet.

    They don't want other countries to get involved, hence the nuclear threat.

    They want quick result, preferably 1 week but definitely less than 1 month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    They want a quick strike to the capital, Kiev, take out the government and pull out after installing their own puppet.
    The Ukrainians won't allow a puppet Govt. If the Russians install a Puppet they will have to leave a force to protect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ I think the Russians are well aware of this. They want a quick strike to the capital, Kiev, take out the government and pull out after installing their own puppet.

    They don't want other countries to get involved, hence the nuclear threat.

    They want quick result, preferably 1 week but definitely less than 1 month.
    But what next though Troy?

    We all expect Russia to get it sorted pretty quickly, but it won't stop there, will it?

    I would imagine that there are already insurgent groups being formed and backed by western powers.

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    ^ A limited war followed by lots of cries of disgust but economies back to normal. Financial necessities and greed always out trumps morals and human lives.

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    Putin hasn't just invaded the Russian speaking areas in the east, he's gone for a full invasion of the whole country.

    If he does a Hitler and invades Poland then that will be his downfall, but at a terrible cost to the world.

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    I never thought the Russians would ever try a large scale invasion like they have done.

    Regime change is on the table for sure but as many have already pointed out it would be very expensive for Russia to hold the country. Ukraine is not Czechia where Putin mainly earned his stripes. We knew the 'West" was not going to be able to stop this disaster. Now that it's happening it's horrifying. Russia is being ruthless towards the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainians have long memories.

    Putin will pay though it may take awhile. I'm not a big believer in sanctions and I think they will end up hurting both sides.

    Pray for peace.
    A true diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a manner that you will be asking for directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ A limited war followed by lots of cries of disgust but economies back to normal. Financial necessities and greed always out trumps morals and human lives.
    Western economies will be fine after initial shock to market and crypto falling (Thanks Putin you owe me some) and performance linked pension plans

    It's always like this. When there is real trouble USD and GBP go up. Called safe haven currencies

    And what comes next.... you tell me I'll make a fortune

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I never thought the Russians would ever try a large scale invasion like they have done.

    Regime change is on the table for sure but as many have already pointed out it would be very expensive for Russia to hold the country. Ukraine is not Czechia where Putin mainly earned his stripes. We knew the 'West" was not going to be able to stop this disaster. Now that it's happening it's horrifying. Russia is being ruthless towards the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainians have long memories.

    Putin will pay though it may take awhile. I'm not a big believer in sanctions and I think they will end up hurting both sides.

    Pray for peace.

    I knew they were going to attack. Hence the name of the thread. But didn't expect the whole country.

    I think Russia will be happy to give the western most provinces to Nato. Then all the nationalists neo nazis and whatnot will congregate there. And all the pro Russian east Ukrainians will have the rest of the country.

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    Critical infrastructure at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was not damaged during nearby fighting ~ European Bank for Reconstruction and Development

    A detachment of Ukrainian troops remains at the power plant, after reaching an agreement with Russian forces stationed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I knew they were going to attack. Hence the name of the thread. But didn't expect the whole country.

    I think Russia will be happy to give the western most provinces to Nato. Then all the nationalists neo nazis and whatnot will congregate there. And all the pro Russian east Ukrainians will have the rest of the country.
    What the-
    You thoght slaves were happy too if you let them live?
    I think you are in a dream world. This is not about NATO, this is about Russia attacking European country that is not in NATO
    Watch Russia Today much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    I think Russia will be happy to give the western most provinces to Nato. Then all the nationalists neo nazis and whatnot will congregate there. .
    You might be stupid, but you do some great trolling. I'll give you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Critical infrastructure at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was not damaged during nearby fighting


    Unless you missed the news, there was a bit of an incident that led to the power plant being closed. In an abandoned city. In an exclusion zone.

    For fucks sake.
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    It seems like troops are being sent to nearby NATO countries to at least let Putin know he can't go any further...We'll see if this causes any stagnation of fighting.

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    I'd like to see National Socialist little Hitler try it on with Poland.
    All the Poles I know would gladly go back to give him a kick in the teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTraveler View Post
    It seems like troops are being sent to nearby NATO countries to at least let Putin know he can't go any further...We'll see if this causes any stagnation of fighting.
    He knows. He respects the US's red lines. And those red lines are the Nato countries. If only the US respected Russia's red lines. Then we wouldn't have a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If only the US respected Russia's red lines. Then we wouldn't have a war.
    Ukraine is not in any pact with Russia, you utter fucking moron.


    Every sentence you post is dumber than the last . . . even OhWow has been more quiet and sabang has stopped trying to justify Russia's murderous invasion . . . by not posting.

    You? Keep banging on because you are literally too dumb to know when every single thing you post is a lie or simply shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    He knows. He respects the US's red lines. And those red lines are the Nato countries. If only the US respected Russia's red lines. Then we wouldn't have a war.

    The red lines are the international borders, clear, well established and more or less agreed by all. They even colour the countries in different block colours on maps to make it easy to tell apart which country is which. Not the imaginary red lines in a thug’s fevered imagining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    He knows. He respects the US's red lines. And those red lines are the Nato countries. If only the US respected Russia's red lines. Then we wouldn't have a war.
    What if Putin comes up with a new red line? Say all Eastern European members of NATO must leave NATO. Should they all drop their panties and obey Lord Putin? According to your cuck attitude and rules, they should.

    Your repetitive nonsense will not change anyone's opinion here, so give it a rest.

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