Correct and I was mistaken in saying there was but does not change the fact I prefer major media reports from an in place reporter but do carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
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Correct and I was mistaken in saying there was but does not change the fact I prefer major media reports from an in place reporter but do carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Well there is, and some territory and several villages have been taken. Whether this presages an assault towards Zapo city, or just a bit of cut n thrust in a positional war- yet to be established.
According to your propaganda sources and the Russian MOD. I can see some reporting of small probing operations where the Russian got utterly smashed...Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status...87369865592838Quote:
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status...97984644702216Quote:
Curious video from the #Zaporizhzia direction where an enemy group of around 50 infantry and 3 tanks are being destroyed by Ukrainian artillery fire. At the end, a quick interception is available where a soldier is yelling, wondering about evacuation.#Orikhiv #Tokmak direction
The final dagger in this nonsense...
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...91690141966336Quote:
There is no question of a Russian wide/large-scale offensive, yes perhaps on Telegram.
South of Mali Shcherbaky, RU troops were destroyed, as well as several armored vehicles
RU troops are said to have crossed Kamyanske Bay and captured north of it.. Nonsense
If it is an "offensive" it is not going well.
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Your 'sources' say the same thing every time snubski. We expect nothing else. They are not credible, any more than when they were recently trying to spread lies that Soledar and nearby Sol had not fallen, when they had.
You are a laughable clown. There is video proof showing Russians getting wiped out, you moron. Pretty conclusive evidence. This "offensive" is a big fat nothing burger.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
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Igor Girkin does not think highly of a successful Russian offensive in the coming future unless done by small motivated units such as Wagner on limited sectors of the frontline. He believes Russian forces have no superiority over Ukraine to achieve success anywhere due to low morale
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...31387923873792
Telegram: Contact @strelkovii
Bullshit, you literally salivated when Russia made advances further into Ukrainian territory and bombed Kyiv.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
So, why didn't Putin try it instead of invading and killing tens of thousands?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
I sense the Butthurt, the dawning realisation that- in spite of all your remonstrances and 'tough guy' talk, Ukraine is gonna lose some territory....
He is a total bullshit artist. It is what useful idiots do.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Rather than wasting your time with childish pique snubski, why don't you keep telling us why Europe should supply it's MBT's to Ukraine, but of course the USA not. :chitown:
I already did clownboy. Go back and read it in the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
So if your 'formidable' Abrams MBT is unfit for service in the Ukraine, where is it fit for service? :chitown:
Russian Mi-28 Attack Helicopters at the Forefront of Tank Hunting Operations in Ukraine - New Anti Tank Missiles Deployed
Russian Mi-28NM attack helicopters have continued to expand their role in the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian War, with the aircraft recently sighted using a new class of anti tank missile to tackle Ukraine’s fast growing inventory of armoured vehicles. Although largely obsolete, Ukraine had by far the most numerous tank force in Europe before the outbreak of the conflict in February 2022, and quickly begun to receive more armour from NATO members with Britain recently confirming plans to deliver its own Challenger 2s. To counter these armoured units, it is estimated that over 120 Mi-28s are currently in service in the Russian Military, and aside from twin rotor Ka-52s produced by the rival Kamov Design Bureau they are considered the most potent attack helicopters operational. The aircraft first began to enter service in January 2008, after long delays caused by the Soviet Union’s disintegration and its fallout on Russia’s defence sector, making it 22 years newer than its closest Western rival the American AH-64 Apache. The Mi-28 was developed as a direct successor to the Apache’s direct Soviet counterpart the Mi-24 Hind, with the two older rivals having formed the centre of the NATO and Warsaw Pact fleets in the 1980s. Mi-28s can each carry up to 16 anti tank missiles or 80 80mm unguided rockets each, and have a significant edge over Apaches in terms of flight performance, firepower, survivability, and ease of maintenance including a famed ability to fly backwards. The Mi-28NM, the latest variant of the helicopter which has been seen in growing numbers in Ukraine, was first deployed for combat operations in Syria in 2016. Its strong performance led the Russian Defence Ministry to sign contracts for the supply of 98 more units by 2027, with improvements including integration of VK-2500P engines, a 13% speed improvement, new sensors providing all-round visibility, and upgraded fire controls. The aircraft are also capable of conducting air to air operations, and can be armed with R-74M missiles.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/m/..._45155339.jpegMi-28 Attack Helicopter
The Mi-28 has primarily deployed 80mm and 122mm rockets for operations in Ukraine, but has also been seen using the 9M120 Ataka anti tank guided missile. New footage released on January 14 showed the aircraft deploying a new weapon for the first time, the LMUR missile, which was designed specifically for anti armour roles for use from helicopters. The missile was reportedly first combat tested in Syria following a protracted development, although this was unconfirmed with the scarcity of armour among insurgents in the theatre leaving only limited opportunities for meaningful tests. The LMUR is prized for its long range of close to 15km and its use of inertial, satellite and optical guidance combined to maximise precision. Equipping helicopters with the missiles provides a means of capitalising on Russia’s control of the skies to influence the balance of power on the ground in its favour, with the expected rapid growth in Ukrainian armoured warfare capabilities potentially posing a serious threat as hundred of new tanks and other armoured vehicles continue to be pledged for delivery from across several NATO member states. The LMUR’s success in Ukraine could also pave the way to export sales, not only to Algeria, Iraq and Uganda which operate the Mi-28, but also to clients for cheaper more widely used helicopters such as the Mi-8 with which the missile is also compatible.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/mi28-russia-ukraine-tank-hunting
Maybe the Chickenhawks just wanna sell more arms (as usual) and don't want them to be shown up by these babies....
:smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Russian MI-28 shot down by Ukrainian Armed Forces - YouTube
That is not even the Russian's best attack chopper. But they all suck.
Dramatic moment Ukrainian troops shoot down Russian helicopter using British ‘Starstreak’ missiles - YouTube
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It’s not totally accurate to describe the Russian air force’s Kamov Ka-52 attack helicopters as death traps. But it’s not totally inaccurate, either.
The air force went into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine starting in late February with around 100 of the twin-rotor, two-seat Ka-52s. Nine months later it has lost at least 25 of them that independent analysts can confirm.
It’s not clear how many crew members have died. But it’s really hard to survive a helicopter shoot-down, so it’s possible scores of Ka-52 fliers have perished.
A team of researchers with the Royal United Services Institute in London explained what happened to what was, at one point, an elite rotary-wing force.
The best Ka-52 crews got shot down early in the war while trying to penetrate deep behind Ukrainian lines. Now less-skilled crews are easy targets for ever bolder Ukrainian air defenders.
“In summary, the Russian attack helicopter fleet was initially used to conduct aggressive hunter-killer sorties behind Ukrainian frontlines, with penetration depths of up to 50 kilometers [31 miles] relatively common,” Justin Bronk, Nick Reynolds and Jack Watling wrote in their definitive study of the Ukraine air war’s early months.
“Russian tactics shifted during March, with penetrating sorties becoming less and less common,” Bronk, Reynolds and Watling added. “Despite this cautious approach, they continue to be shot down regularly.”
On paper, the Ka-52 is one of the best attack helicopters in the world. With its better optics, night-vision devices and precision missiles than the other main Russian gunship types, the Mil Mi-24 and Mil Mi-28, the Ka-52 initially was a specialist. The Russian air force assigned the type to support special operations forces, especially at night.
The Ka-52 crews’ superior training—a prerequisite for commando ops—made them invaluable to Russian planners in the first few weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, as haphazardly prepared Russian brigades barreled across the border with Ukraine and headed toward Kyiv. The goal: to destroy the Ukrainian government and force the Ukrainian armed forces to surrender.
Russian brigades found themselves deep behind Ukrainian lines. Their communications breaking down. Their logistics fraying. The Kremlin leaned heavily on the Ka-52s to support the troops on the bleeding edge of a risky war plan.
“During the battle for Kyiv, Mi-24 and Mi-28 gunships operated alongside the Ka-52 in the hunter-killer role at night, as well as in daylight,” the RUSI team wrote. “However, typically night operations of this kind have been flown by the Ka-52 fleet due to their superior night-vision equipment.”
The Ukrainians threw everything they had at the Ka-52s and other Russian helicopters, hitting them with anti-tank missiles and even blowing them up on the ground with artillery and drones. But it was the Ukrainians’ thousands of short-range, infrared-guided, man-portable air-defense systems—including American-made Stingers—that killed the most Ka-52 crews.
“Russian helicopter (and fixed-wing attack jet) defensive aids suites combining missile-approach warning sensors and countermeasures-dispensing programs have functioned reasonably well throughout the conflict, succeeding in decoying many incoming missiles,” the RUSI analysts wrote. “However, the sheer number of MANPADS fired at them during penetrating sorties ensured that many hits were still scored.”
When Russian ground forces retreated from Kyiv Oblast in April, the Ka-52 regiments did, too. Many of the best Ka-52 crew were dead. The survivors got a lot more cautious.
“Heavy losses taken during daylight operations, especially among experienced crews, created a dynamic whereby Russian rotary crews became very hesitant to cross the Ukrainian frontlines from April,” Bronk, Reynolds and Watling wrote. “Penetration distances and the number of hunter-killer sorties began to diminish rapidly across all the gunship fleets.”
The Ka-52 crews now have settled on two main tactics. They, like the Mi-24 and Mi-28 crews, often lob unguided rockets in high ballistic arcs. Ballistic launch allows the crews to stay on the Russian side of the front line, where the MANPADS threat is somewhat lighter.
But the ballistic attack method is wildly inaccurate. “Sufficient only to force Ukrainian forces in the open to take cover, or to fix dug-in units in place until the impacts subside,” is how the RUSI study described the method.
The more accurate alternative—to fire a Vikhr anti-tank missile from several miles away—also helps to keep Ka-52 crews on the safer side of the line of contact. But there’s a downside.
The 90-pound Vikhr is a “beam-rider.” A Ka-52 crew must hover a few hundred feet off the ground, shoot a laser beam at the target from as far as six miles away, then fire the missile, which follows the laser all the way to the target.
The problem is, the firing helicopter can’t move until the missile hits. And that can take tens of seconds—an eternity when increasingly skilled Ukrainian MANPADS shooters are nearby. So even after abandoning deep-penetration operations, the Ka-52 crews keep getting shot down.
The Russian air force still has 75 or so Ka-52s. The loss of experienced crews might sting more than the airframe write-offs do. It could take years for the air force to train good replacements for all the Ka-52 fliers who’ve died in Ukraine.
But the service probably doesn’t have years. The Ukrainians, after kicking the Russians out of Kyiv Oblast in April and fighting the Russians to a standstill in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region over the summer, counterattacked this fall in the east and the south.
The Ukrainians are advancing. The Russians are retreating. The war could end long before the Russian air force can rebuild its best attack helicopter regiments.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=419e27107823
You are so clueless as to what is going on in this war, it is utterly laughable. Russia can not even fly its jets into most of Ukraine at this point, much less these helicopters due to the air defenses that Ukraine has now, and before you counter with your usual stupidity it should be stated in advance that the air defenses Ukraine has now currently are not capable of shooting down ballistic missiles. But they can wreak havoc on everything else, especially airplanes and helicopters.
Must be an old article. :rolleyes:Quote:
The Ukrainians are advancing. The Russians are retreating.
So if you are so confident of your main MBT snubski, why won't your country let them go to an active warzone and prove themselves in battle, while browbeating your European (cough) 'allies' to deplete their limited stocks of MBTs, and simultaneously ratcheting up a proxy war with Russia?
Did you mention this handicap previously?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExRJIy2edE&t=101s
I am not a tanker, some here on TD may be more knowledgable of such matters.
If so, let them inform us of the 16%'s "No. 1 battle tank's" ability, in this case to climb, snow covered hillocks. The linked video suggests not.
"29 Jan 2022
A video is gaining popularity on the Web, which shows the unsuccessful attempts of the US Armed Forces M1 Abrams tank to climb the mountain."
Both the two 4wd Japanese trucks, I've owned, are snow/+ice (Canada) and mud (Thailand) slope climbing capable.
Whether European made tanks are better ....
:chitown:
A Canadian' visit to a countries' pavilion at the 2023 WEF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI9HeyIjl-I
As intense fighting continues to rage in parts of Eastern Ukraine, Russian social media was abuzz with claims of destroying an American M1 Abrams tank near Soledar. These claims, however, were received by netizens with humor as Ukraine does not have an Abrams tank in its arsenal yet.
The Center for Countering Disinformation of the National Security and Defense Council said in a Telegram post, “Enemy sources claim that the military of the Russian Armed Forces destroyed the first American M1 Abrams tank near Soledar, with a simple RPG-18 Mukha [“Fly”], no less. “This is primitive fake Russian propaganda with an old photo that was not taken in Ukraine. The occupiers are not bothered by the fact that the US has not yet handed over a single such tank to Ukraine.” As seen in the image below, green trees are visible in the tank’s background, indicating that the photograph was taken in spring or summer.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...-to-operate%2F
The war-torn country of Ukraine is currently covered by snow, which further proves that the image is not from Ukraine and, indeed, not recent. After the news about Russian claims went viral on social media, a Twitter user wrote, “I especially like the green leaves on trees in January.”
Some Twitter accounts immediately started to dig in and said that the image was actually from 2010. However, EurAsian Times could not independently verify where the image was initially taken.
This is not the first time netizens have made a claim that was mocked by Ukrainian officials, military watchers, and netizens alike. Earlier this month, netizens claimed four American-made Bradley Fighting Vehicles were destroyed in Ukraine that had not arrived in the country.
Russia’s Ministry of Defense spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a press briefing that Ukraine lost four Bradley Fighting Vehicles (BFV) during hostilities.
“During the battle in this direction, the enemy (Ukraine) lost 11 tanks, 17 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs), including four Bradleys made in the USA,” said Konashenkov.
At the time, Konashenkov was not only laughed at for making claims that were far from the truth but also for what came to be known as “poorly researched” propaganda. Just over a week later, Russian netizens have brought the same mockery over themselves by claiming to have destroyed an Abrams tank.
Meanwhile, a US Abrams tank could be seen struggling in the snow in a completely separate video that has also gone viral on social media. A Twitter user wrote, “The US Armed Forces M1 Abrams’ main tank was unsuitable for winter use. Even though the heavy combat vehicle has great power, only a few centimeters of snow could stop the armored vehicles.”
These tanks have lately been spotted as being transported across Germany as per open-source intelligence. Military analysts and observers have stated that they could either be headed to Poland to replenish their stock or could have been earmarked for Ukraine. There has been no confirmation about the matter from Berlin or Washington. No Abrams For Ukraine… Yet!
The United States and some of its European partners recently announced significant fresh arms deliveries to Ukraine, including armored vehicles and heavy weaponry. The US estimated the value of the military assistance package at about $2.5 billion, which includes armored personnel carriers, air defense systems, and thousands of rocket and artillery rounds.
According to a statement released by the US Defense Department, there will be 90 Stryker armored personnel carriers and 59 Bradley fighting vehicles. However, despite pledging a whopping $2.5 billion in assistance, Washington again stopped short of announcing the M1 Abram tanks that Ukraine has been lobbying for.
Pentagon’s top policy adviser Colin Kahl said the Pentagon still wasn’t prepared to meet Kyiv’s calls for gas-guzzling M1 Abrams main battle tanks. “I just don’t think we’re there yet,” said Kahl, who had just returned from a trip to Ukraine. “The Abrams tank is a very complicated piece of equipment. It is expensive. It’s hard to train on. It has a jet engine.”
While Ukraine has been pleading with NATO to send cutting-edge battle tanks for a long time, these pleas have become louder after Britain announced that it was ready to send the Challenger-2 tanks to Kyiv.
There is mounting pressure on Germany to arm the beleaguered country with Leopard-2 tanks or, at the very least, to authorize their transfer from third countries. However, it seems that Germany has based its decision on sending Leopard tanks to Ukraine if the US decides to send Abrams to Kyiv.
A source in the Bundeswehr has said that if the United States agrees to send its tanks, Germany will enable the sending of tanks to Ukraine to aid its defense against Russia. Against that backdrop, Russia’s claim of destroying a tank that the US is yet to decide on has only come as another propaganda exercise in futility.
US Abrams Tank 'Destroyed' In Ukraine, Unable To Operate In Harsh Winters: Russian Social Media Abuzz With Hilarious Claims
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Originally Posted by sabang
They already have proved themselves in battle, you utter imbecile. They killed scores of shit Russian tanks in Iraq. The reason the US supports deploying the leopards is due to greater fuel efficiency and a shorter logistical arm. I have already explained that ad nauseum.
No, you are not. I was a combat engineer and was around tanks every fucking day. I can tell you right now, the reason that that tank is sliding down that hill is because it is still configured for desert warfare. It is still painted in desert tan and most likely does not have ice cleats installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The ice cleats are made of steel and with those installed that tank would be unstoppable going up hill in the snow and ice. Just more time-wasting stupidity by the useful idiots.
Well you certainly can't expect Germany to deplete it's limited arsenal of tanks, if you are unwilling to supply any of your own much larger arsenal. Such hubris.
If a few ragheads can take down the invincible Abrams, the suspicion is growing in my mind that your boys are scared to send them to Ukraine and have them shown up by the Russians:-
Iraqi Army service[edit]
Between 2010 and 2012 the U.S. supplied 140 refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Iraq. In mid-2014, they saw action when the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant launched the June 2014 Northern Iraq offensive. During three months, about one-third of the Iraqi Army's M1 tanks had been damaged or destroyed by ISIL and some were captured by opposing forces. By December 2014, the Iraqi Army only had about 40 operational Abrams left. That month, the U.S. Department of State approved the sale of another 175 Abrams to Iraq.[51][52][53]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
You utter fucking retard, those tanks were operated by mouth breathing retards like yourself. During combat operations in Iraq, not one was lost due to enemy action. Keep spreading your lies useful idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
The M1 Abrams, the Powerful US Tank That Kyiv Wants but Can't Have
U'mm, that was in Iraq dummy- 2010-2012. You chickenhawks have absolutely no right to be badgering Germany and begging them for tanks, when you are too chicken to supply any of your own. End of.
You fucking idiot, those tanks were operated by Iraqi retards well after the US pulled out of the country. Literally everything you post is a lie, a distortion or some kind of untruth. Not one M1 tank was taken out due to enemy action while being operated by the US. Not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Poland and Finland have a few hundred tanks in storage that will be given to Ukraine regardless of whether Germany gives permission.
Germany won't give permission because its do reliant on Russian energy.
All politics Init.
Whatever happens there is gonna be a major offensive in the Spring.