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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Just reported on danish tv news, that 'Ukraine is in acute need of winter equipment' and want us to ship what we can.
    just asking Denmark to play their part like other NATO partners have

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    Wnen the missiles are flattening your cities and your people are homeless without drinking water or electricity. “Don’t worry here is a coat”

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    ^ you must be good at using statistics to support your point also

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    ^ you must be good at using statistics to support your point also

    87% of all Russians think Vodka will keep you warmer than a coat

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    Weather

    I have chosen to be warm this century having lived in drafty farms with ice inside windows as a kid and later working visiting Canada and Finland though the coldest I recall was on the Alfod below minus 20 scouting Hungarian mounts.

    For weak Ukrainian civilians unable to warm sick young or dry clothes it'll be a killer. The farmers can burn wood, flat dwellers may have no such option.

    For infantry even with dry gar, and local support it is awful wet is the worst, sometimes below zero, disease squlaor frostbite.

    For a retreat under fire withot prepped positions, or local support sleeping / resting in wet holes, bombed out ruins it will be miserable and lower already depleted moral, if not depleted uranium.

    Of course all E Europeans understand cold but there's a vas deferens between tucked up with a Quilt or hot squeeze after some Borscht and vodka to sitting in a wet hole under fire, think sitting in your cold shower with shells raining down on you, night afte rnight and having to fight or be shot in the back!

    In addition once over the Ukranian heroes will return to rebuild a liberated democracy, fast tracked into association with EU, NATO maybe, certainly a better future with democratic allies and goodwill.

    On the other paw Russians many less a limb will return poorly paid to a bankrupt kleptocracy where indictments for war crimes may be the least of their worries, losing soldiers may in fact force change at home as in 1917 Russia, 1918 Germany etc and 1989 after the "Afghan flop"

    USA will prolong this by giving enough aid to keep Ukranian to bleed Russia dry however long it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Just reported on danish tv news, that 'Ukraine is in acute need of winter equipment' and want us to ship what we can.
    I was talking specifically about the troops.


    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Maybe

    Sounds wrong though
    Problem is Russia spending their precision weapons not to fight Ukraine troops. They destroy civilian infrastructure. The general population of Ukraine indeed needs more winter clothes and other means of keeping warm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    I was talking specifically about the troops.
    So was the news

    Other news:

    Mass exodus from Kherson and Kiev has got their electric back

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    The Russians are using decommissioned Nuke missiles they are so short of missiles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    I was talking specifically about the troops.




    Problem is Russia spending their precision weapons not to fight Ukraine troops. They destroy civilian infrastructure. The general population of Ukraine indeed needs more winter clothes and other means of keeping warm

    The Russians seem to have given up fighting the Ukrainian military, which is not surprising considering their recent reverses. Instead, they are attacking Ukrainian cities/infrastructure in an effort to bring the Ukrainians to their knees. This winter we will see if this strategy works or not. If it doesn't work, we will probably see more Russian retreats and defeats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    The Russians seem to have given up fighting the Ukrainian military,
    One suspects the disabling of the Ukraine electric railway engines, has an effect on Ukraine's military capability. Similar to the Crimea bridge attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    attacking Ukrainian cities/infrastructure in an effort to bring the Ukrainians to their knees.
    Militarily yes, societally yes, 16% relations yes, diplomatically yes, economically yes ....

    It appears Russia wins, after their recent tactical revisions/enlargement.

    Still less brutally devastating than the standard 16%'s "Shock and Awe" SOP.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It appears Russia wins, after their recent tactical revisions/enlargement.


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    Still less brutally devastating than the standard 16%'s "Shock and Awe" SOP.
    You are such a laughable clown. This genocide is far worse than anything that was done in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ou are such a laughable clown. This genocide is far worse than anything that was done in Iraq.
    If you say so.

    I'm sure, "It was worth it".

    As, IIRC. a senior NaGastan politician thought that type of genocide was and remans a standard part of your country's SOP and citizens take a knee in gratitude.

    One other example from the 16% glorious history.:

    Yugoslavia .... was acceptable?

    NATO Warplanes Jolt Yugoslav Power Grid



    A man and his daughter watch a column of smoke rising from a burning oil refinery in Novi Sad, some 50 miles north of Belgrade.
    (Associated press)

    By Philip Bennett and Steve Coll

    Washington Post Staff Writers

    Tuesday, May 25, 1999; Page A1

    BELGRADE, May 24 –

    "NATO airstrikes on Yugoslavia's power grid left millions of people without electricity or water service today, bringing the war over Kosovo more directly into the lives of civilians across the country.

    Three consecutive nights of air attacks caused extensive blackouts in Belgrade, Novi Sad, and Nis, the three largest cities in Serbia, Yugoslavia's dominant republic. In contrast with previous attacks on the power supply – in which allied warplanes triggered temporary outages by dropping carbon-fiber filaments that shorted out electrical lines –

    NATO forces this time struck at Serbia's five major power-transmission stations with high-explosive munitions, causing damage that could take weeks to repair.

    Officials at the Pentagon and at NATO headquarters in Belgium said allied jets deliberately attacked the power grid, aiming to shut it down more completely and for longer periods than at any time previously in the two-month-old air campaign. U.S. officials estimated the attacks had shut off power to about 80 percent of Serbia.

    Allied officials said the attacks were intended to disrupt operations by the Serb-led Yugoslav military in Kosovo, the focus of the conflict, and not target civilians. But by increasing the hardship of ordinary citizens, alliance leaders also appeared to be seeking to encourage public disaffection with the government of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

    Here in Belgrade, where rage against NATO during the initial days of the three-month-old bombing campaign has lapsed into weariness for many residents, the prospect of sustained blackouts brought renewed anger toward the alliance. Some cited the power outages as evidence that the genuine aim of NATO is not to expel Yugoslav troops and Serbian special police units from Kosovo, but to punish civilians and wreck the country.

    The attacks also slashed water reserves by damaging pumps and cutting electricity to the few pumps that were still operative. Belgrade's water utility said that reserves of drinking water had been reduced to 8 percent, according to the Beta news agency, and that 60 percent of the city was without water service. The agency said authorities were trying to restore water to most city residents by midnight.

    A NATO spokesman, Peter Daniel, insisted that allied warplanes were not targeting the Yugoslav water system or main power plants. Instead, he said, the attacks were aimed at "the transformers and the edges, so to speak, of the electricity-generating system."

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...rade052599.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm sure, "It was worth it".
    Of course it was ! Unless your Chinese or like crimes of genocide, mass murder and torture.

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