Believe was Radovan Karadžić. Locked up in the UK atm.Quote:
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Believe was Radovan Karadžić. Locked up in the UK atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by happynz
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Originally Posted by OhOh
The NATO Parliamentary Assembly has designated the Russian Federation and its regime as terrorist.
The Assembly has adopted a resolution at the annual session in Madrid.
"Today, we will adopt a resolution that calls on all allies to clearly identify the Russian Federation and its current regime as a terrorist organisation," the NATO PA President Gerry Connolly said before the vote.
The resolution was adopted unanimously. It also calls for the creation of a special tribunal to hold the regime accountable for horrific war crimes.
"We also call on our governments to take the next steps towards Ukraine's accession to NATO. We have repeatedly stressed that we will not recognise any illegal attempts by Russia to annex sovereign territories of Ukraine," Connolly added.
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/e...11/21/7151071/
Sweden and Finland joining NATO. Ukraine now reccomended to join NATO and the EU. This push by Putin to halt NATO expansion and use Ukraine as a buffer state under Russian influence is not exactly going to plan. Those damn Ukrainian Nazis are to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 20
Nov 20, 2022 - Press ISW
ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, November 20. This report discusses the rising influence of the milblogger (military correspondent or voenkor) community in Russia despite its increasingly critical commentary on the conduct of the war. The milblogger community reportedly consists of over 500 independent authors and has emerged as an authoritative voice on the Russian war. The community maintains a heavily pro-war and Russian nationalist outlook and is intertwined with prominent Russian nationalist ideologists. Milbloggers’ close relationships with armed forces – whether Russian Armed Forces, Chechen special units, Wagner Group mercenaries, or proxy formations – have given this community an authoritative voice arguably louder in the Russian information space than the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD). Russian President Vladimir Putin has defended the milbloggers from MoD attacks and protected their independence even as he increases oppression and censorship throughout Russia.
Institute for the Study of War
And at home, how to right royally fuck yourself up, by Vlad the Self-Impaler Putin:
How War in Ukraine is Destroying Russia - YouTube
Nice one.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
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Has a ring to it
I aim to please, gentlemen. :smile:
From a snow covered and frosty Denmark, my thoughts are going to the ukranian population.
This will be an awful winter for some of them, if they aren't evacuated.
Especially the city populations will have a hard time; countrysiders might get by.
Everyone who lives in colder climates will know, what they have coming.
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It is nothing less than genocide by Russia. The rest of the world seeems to have no answer. Massive civilian aid packages might help.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
What they face is nothing compared to what the Russian army will face without proper winter gear and being out in the elements.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
That is happening as I type this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shutree
An excellent analysis by retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges of what is to come in this war...
Kas naujo fronte: „Visi keliai veda į Krymą“ – generolas Hodges paaiškina, kaip Ukraina laimės karą - YouTube
(It is in English)
Again?? :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Ukraine war: Images reveal scale of destruction in Mariupol - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Only a idiot would post something like this. Take a look at the hospital! A nearby explosion? Jesus how stupid get one get???
Guess you won't be able to read this in communist Australia or ChinkystanQuote:
But Ivan said it was impossible to imagine a future without Irina.
"I don't have much hope at the moment and I haven't got used to the idea that I am alone," he said.
Ukrainian officials now believe that at least 25,000 people have been killed in the fighting in Mariupol since the start of the war and that between 5,000 and 7,000 of them died under the rubble after their homes were bombed.
Mariupol had a pre-war population of nearly 500,000 people.
When asked what message he would send to Russian president Vladimir Putin, Ivan replied: "I would say to him 'for what?'
"All of our lives we thought that Russians were our brothers. He just attacked us, he killed us, killed our relatives, friends and loved ones.
"For what? Why?"
Ukraine War: Refugee tells of wife'''s death after maternity hospital bombing - BBC News
What can the RoW do aside from send aid and take in as many refugees as possible. It is indeed an attempted genocide by the Russian apes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shutree
Being invaded by purportedly the second strongest military power in the world, having hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered by Russia, millions displaced and a nasty winter approaching was a honeymoon? What the fuck are you smoking?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Steady we mustn't demonize all Russians , the conscripts and brave internal Russian opponents like Navalny are just as much victim's of Putin's gang, backed by Wagner mercenaries and bot lackeys.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Secondly one of our finest , wittiest , moist prolix posters is apparently a high functioning Ape.
As a French lady once said your thrust is excellent, just needs some refinement.
All this talk about Ukranians losing this war is pure nonsense. Putin is not only losing atm, he will in time have done far more damage to Russia and Russians than he has done to Ukranians.
Attacks on infrastructure and civilians we see now are an act of desperation on Putin's part. Not to mention that is all he's got. Like his ill thought decision to invade in Feb, this bombardment of infrastucture will only make the Ukrainians and allies more resolute to defeat Putin and put an end to his dream of reestablishing the late but not so great Soviet Union.
Expect our usual suspects as well as the experts across the cyber world will no doubt find all sorts of rebutals to my above. All of which will not change the fact the Ukraine will emerge much stronger and better off before Putin foolishly invaded and Russians will take years to recover from it.
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Originally Posted by Norton
But it looks like the responsibility for the invasion and what has followed, are very much personified in Putin and an egg solely on his face.
One could think, that with a regime change in Moscow, Russia could be "welcomed back" to Europe.
I don't know.
What do you think ?
That's not nice :)Quote:
Expect our usual suspects as well as the experts across the cyber world will no doubt find all sorts of rebutals to my above.
Ask that question of yourself, dummkopf:-Quote:
Take a look at the hospital! A nearby explosion? Jesus how stupid get one get???
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nearby explosions were caused by Ukrainian artillery shells.
I hope so myself norts- although I also hope in a governmental sense they shed the corrupt and morally bankrupt Zelensky regime, and the far Right elements it is in troth to.Quote:
Ukraine will emerge much stronger and better off
But it is likely to be a slightly smaller Ukraine (a large country) than we previously knew and recognised, with the fringe parts of the country that are strongly pro-Russian such as Crimea and Donbass, becoming part of Russia again. I don't see how Ukraine can engage in any meaningful 'nation building' otherwise.
As for Russia, I certainly don't wish the nation and it's people any harm in a proactive sense- and as long as Putin retains popular support there, he has a right to remain in power. After all, he doesn't report to us. Regardless, he won't last forever- perhaps we should be more cautious of his successor.
What is interesting is they have now to a significant extent turned their back on the US lead Western axis, and a rival megabloc has emerged that comprises most of Eurasia (geographically speaking), and the BRICs. It will soon enough, in world history terms, be bigger than the G7 economically speaking. I don't consider this a welcome development for either us or them.
No one knows for sure but up until Russia invaded Crimea the EU offered membership which Putin turned down. With him out of the picture good possibilty the powers that replace him would accept EU membership and even go as far as NATO membership or at least more cooperation with NATO. Mikhail Gorbachev actually requested joining NATO and was turned down. A big mistake by the west along with so many others at the end of the Soviet Union.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Even when there is a mountain of proof to debunk your horseshit, you still stand by it. Just further proof of the fact that you are nothing more than a dimwitted useful idiot. No one on this forum should be stupid enough to think anything you post here has even a shred of credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
You are the personification of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
News to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Norton
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Originally Posted by helge
You may very well be right. Europeans in the main are quite war averse. Understandable when one thinks of the destruction throughout Europe over the last 200 years. Putin has brought back to Europe what most had thought with the advent of the EU had been left behind. Americans, Australians and others in the main have not experienced this sort of war on home soil. It was restricted to battles fought far away that had a much smaller effect on the population, which I believe gives a different perspective when mostly seen on TV rather than the horrors visited on ones own door step, as is now the the lot of Ukrainians, whilst Russians go about their daily lives with relatively little effect, oblivious to the suffering inflicted by their fellow countrymen. A few sabotaged power stations in Russia might help.
Smeared, stigmatized, and lied about in Western media propaganda, the mostly Russian-speaking people of the Donbass region were being slaughtered by the thousands in a brutal war of “ethnic cleansing” launched against them by the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv, which the U.S. installed after the CIA overthrew Ukraine’s legally elected president in a 2014 coup.
Although the Donbass people had been pleading for Russian military aid to defend them against the increasingly murderous military assaults by the Ukraine government forces, which killed more than 14,000 of their people, Russian President Vladimir Putin declined to intervene. Instead, he tried to broker a peace agreement between the warring parties.
But the U.S. and Britain secretly colluded to sabotage peace negotiations, persuading president Zelenksy to ignore the Minsk III peace agreement that the Ukraine government had previously signed, and which had been countersigned by Russia, France and Germany.
Realizing that the U.S. and its NATO allies would never permit peace negotiations to succeed, Putin finally sent troops into Ukraine on February 24. Russian troops went in to support and reinforce the outnumbered and outgunned Donbass Special Forces who had been defending their land against attacks by the Kyiv government for nearly eight years.
Voices From the Frontlines of Former Eastern UkraineRepublics
In the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in October, I went to a frontline outpost 70 meters from Ukrainian forces in Avdeevka (north and west of Donetsk), according to the Donbas commanders I spoke with there.
To reach that position, I went with two other journalists to a meeting point with two commanders of Pyatnashka—volunteer fighters, including Abkhazi, Slovak, Russian, Ossetian and other nationalities, including locals from Donbas.
From there, they drove us to a point as far as they could drive before walking the rest of the way, several minutes through brush and trenches, eventually coming to their sandbagged wood and cement fortified outpost.
It has changed hands over the years, Ukrainian forces sometimes occupying it, Donbas forces now controlling it.
One soldier, a unit commander who goes by the call sign “Vydra” (Otter), was formerly a miner from the DPR who had been living in Russia with his family. In 2014, he returned to the Donbas to defend his mother and relatives still there. He spoke of the outpost.
“We dug and built this with our hands. Several times over the years, the Ukrainians have taken these positions. We pushed them back, they stormed us…Well, we have been fighting each other for eight years.”
There, artillery fire is the biggest danger they face. “You can hide from a sniper, but not from artillery, and they’re using large caliber.”
https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/up...ge-48308-2.jpg“Vydra,” a unit commander of the Pyatnashka fighters. [Source: Photo courtesy of Eva Bartlett]His living quarters is a dank, cramped, room with a tiny improvised bed, with another small room and bed for others at the outpost.
A sign reads: “If shelling occurs, go to the shelter.” The kind of sign you see all over Donetsk and cities of the Donbas, due to Ukraine’s incessant shelling of civilian, residential areas. In a frontline outpost where incoming artillery is the norm, the sign is slightly absurd, clearly a joke.
An Orthodox icon sits atop the sign. Ukrainian nationalists hang and spray Nazi graffiti and slogans of death; these fighters revere their faith.
A poster, with the DPR flag, reads: “We have never known defeat, and it’s clear that this has been decided from above. Donbas has never been forced to its knees, and no one will ever be allowed to.”
The only things decorating the space are tins of tuna and canned meat, instant noodles, and washing powder. Their existence is bare minimum, nothing glamorous about it; they volunteer because, as they told me, this is their land and they will protect it.
Perhaps surprising to some, when Vydra was asked whether he hates Ukrainians, he replied emphatically no, he has friends and relatives in Ukraine.
“We have no hatred for Ukraine. We hate those nationalists who came to power. But ordinary Ukrainians? Why? Many of us speak Ukrainian. We understand them, they understand us. Many of them speak Russian.
I’ve been involved in sports a lot of time, wrestling. So, I’ve got a lot of friends in Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kirovograd, Odessa, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk, Transcarpathia.
I have relatives in western Ukraine, and we still communicate. Yes, they say one thing on the street, but when we talk to each other, they say, ‘Well, you have to, because the SBU is listening.’
Ukraine shouts about democracy, then puts people in handcuffs for no reason. My aunt got in trouble because they found my photo on her Skype.
And I’m on the Myrotvorets [kill list] website.” [As is the author, see this article.]
He spoke of Ukraine’s shelling from 2014, when the people of the Donbass were unarmed and not expecting to be bombed by their own country.
“When the artillery hit the city of Yenakievo, east of Gorlovka, we were defenseless. We went with hunting rifles and torches to fight them. Most of the weapons we had later were captured from them. We had to go to the battlefield without weapons in order to get the weapons.”
When asked if he was concerned that Ukrainian forces might take Donetsk he replied no, of course not, they didn’t succeed in 2014, they won’t now.
When asked whether he had a message for soldiers of the Ukrainian army, Vydra replied without hesitating, “Go home! We’ve been saying that since 2014: Go home.
Unequivocally, we don’t want them here, but we don’t want to kill them. I’m not speaking about nationalists, I’m speaking about Ukrainian soldiers, who are drafted or forcefully employed in the Ukrainian army. Guys, go home, either surrender or go. This is our land. We’re not leaving, we’re not going anywhere.”
I asked how he felt to be treated and described as sub-human, to be called dehumanizing names, a part of the Ukrainian nationalists’ brainwashing propaganda. As I wrote previously:
“Ukrainian nationalists openly declare they view Russians as sub-human.
School books teach this warped ideology. Videos show the extent of this mentality: Teaching children not only to also hate Russians and see them as not humans, but also brainwashing them to believe killing Donbas residents is acceptable. The Ukrainian government itself funds neo-Nazi-run indoctrination camps for youths.”
“It’s offensive,” Vydra said, “We are saddened: There are sick people. We need to heal them, slowly.”
I asked whether he thought friendship between Ukrainians and Russians would be possible.
“It will take years for any friendship. Take Chechnya, one region of Russia, it was at war. But slowly, slowly…We must all live together. We are one people.” Indeed, now Chechen fighters are one of the most effective forces fighting alongside Donbas and Russian soldiers to liberate Donbas areas from Ukrainian forces.
He opened a zippered trousers pocket and proudly brandished a small plastic sleeve containing children’s drawings, also containing icons of saints and Christ, and prayers…
“This is very personal, it’s like my guardian angel. I put it in plastic, I don’t even keep my ID in plastic. I’ve been carrying this one in my pocket since February. I’ve been in all sorts of hot spots. A child drew this, we receive letters from children. It’s very nice to look at them when it’s hard and we are under fire.”
He read one letter:
“We are waiting for you. Thank you for risking your lives to defend Donbas. Yulia and Ira.”
“I don’t even know who are Yulia and Ira,” he said smiling.
Showing the icons, he said, “This is Saint Ushakov, our great commander. This is Jesus Christ, our Heavenly Protector. This Abkhazi icon was given to me by the guys. This is a prayer book. And here is a prayer,” he said of one page prayer.
“These words are to support when times are very hard. When there is heavy shelling, it can go on for hours. So, while you’re sitting there, you can read this.
Especially for the younger guys, 22, 23 years old, just finished college. This is new to them.”
Commanders Speak of Geopolitical Reasons for Ukraine’s War
Outside, sitting in front of an Orthodox banner and a collection of collected munitions—including Western ones—two platoon commanders, “Kabar” and “Kamaz,” spoke of the bigger geopolitical picture. [See video]
“America is running the show here,” Kabar said. “It builds foreign policy on the basis of how its domestic policy is built, which is through conflicts with external countries. They are accustomed to proving their power to their people through terrorism around the world, inciting fires in Syria, in the east. They played the card of radical Islam there.
And now they are playing the card of fascism. They do not see themselves on the other side of good. They need wars, blood, cruelty, and they signed Europe up for this.
However, they’ve missed one point: Russia, since the days of the Soviet Union, has never retreated in large scale wars. They took Europe and pushed it to slaughter Russia, and they put Russia in such a position that it must secure its national interests. Europe needs to understand this, to pay attention to history, to stop being led by the United States.”
https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/up...ge-48308-3.jpg“Kabar,” a commander of the Pyatnashka fighters. [Source: Photo courtesy of Eva Bartlett]When asked about his feeling regarding Ukrainians, “Kabar” replied similarly to Vydra.
“We don’t blame the whole Ukrainian people. Ukrainians are our friends, they are our relatives. They’ve been struck by evil, and it’s not their fault, ordinary people are not to blame for this. We will liberate them from fascism, we’ll show them brotherhood, and we’ll make friends.
This is a good opportunity for us to defeat evil. God has honored us with this right to fight evil.”
Kamaz, when asked why he is fighting, replied that this is his homeland, he was born here, and that he has a son who he doesn’t want to inherit Ukraine’s war on the Donbas.
“I myself am Greek by nationality. Ukrainians are Slavs, they are our brothers, their grandfathers fought together shoulder to shoulder with our grandfathers against Nazism and fascism. We are here to finish it, so that our children live a normal happy life. We are fighting for the future.”
He spoke of America’s continuous need for war.
“We’ve seen it in Syria and Yugoslavia, where they destroyed everything and then set everything up their own way, so the people must submit, almost like slaves.”
I asked whether he thought peace between Ukraine and Russia is possible.
“Yes, possibly, why not? But at the moment, the President of Ukraine said there will be no negotiations.
Negotiations are possible, but I think not with this president. When he comes to his senses, he will not be able to negotiate, because he took a lot of money.”
Before leaving the outpost, we chatted a bit with the commanders. A puppy sought the attention of a young soldier. Another puppy ran around our feet. The outpost commanders and soldiers take care of the dogs. Their presence added a somewhat surreal touch to the scene: an outpost which is routinely shelled, where life can cease to exist at any moment, and these happy, well-cared for puppies running around like dogs anywhere.
Western Media Inverted Reality, Lauding Nazis and Demonizing Defenders
While many in the West think that this conflict started in February 2022, those following events since 2014 are aware that, following the Maidan coup and Odessa massacre, and the rise of fascism in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people, the Donbas republics wanted to distance themselves from Ukraine’s Nazis and fascism.
The sacrifices which the people of the Donbas republics have endured, particularly those fighting to protect their families and loved ones, have been and continue to be immense.
Just as the heroes of the Syrian Arab Army were maligned, so too have Donbas forces have been maligned by Western media, though both are defending their homelands from terrorist forces trained and funded by the West. Terrorists given the freedom to commit endless atrocities against Donbas civilians.
These defenders, many living in dank trench conditions, didn’t choose war; they responded to it, to protect their loved ones and their future. In spite of more than eight years of being warred upon by Ukraine, they retain their humanity.
https://newcoldwar.org/maligned-in-w...g-and-fascism/
To malign these people as sub-human 'untermenschen', is right down there with Nazism, Jewish far right Settler ideology, and Isis/ Al Qaeda in my books. As a secular people who embrace pluralism, we should strongly resist such ideology.