Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

This thread really needs to be dog housed at this point. Sabang and backspit are just propaganda trolls at this point. There is another Ukraine thread anyway.

[harrybarracuda]

True, or just merge it. They'll still post bollocks like the good little brown nosers they are.

[sabang]

What, no invasion then?

[bsnub]

What, no invasion then?

So still trolling then?

[harrybarracuda]

What, no invasion then?

What, Putin scared of the consequences then?

[bsnub]

What, Putin scared of the consequences then?

Of course, the country is nothing more than a gas station. Cut off the spigot and he has serious problems. The US will guarantee that Germany gets gas from the ME.

[HermantheGerman]

What, no invasion then?

Sorry Popeye! We know that you are always spot

"President Obama made clear that this remains possible only if Russia pulls back its troops and does not take any steps to further violate Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty."

Popeye's response:

Doesn't Barry read the papers? He's been withdrawing troops from the border- job done.
Maybe he just wants to offer Barry & State a face saving way out- they've only looked like fools so far.
One things for sure- Crimea isn't on the table, that's part of russki again. And sanctions will not just damage Russia- they will damage Europe, and the Nato alliance

Popeye writing some nonsense 2-4-2014 and still writing the same garbage. You would think he learn something. Maybe to much Vodka too?

[bsnub]

Maybe to much Vodka too?

Almost midnight in Adelaide. Sabang is in the bag for sure.

[HermantheGerman]

BREAKING: Putin says Russia will establish Russian Navy presence in in Latin America. Lavrov clarifies that Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua will now cooperate in all spheres, including military.

Great news! That means the dictator will have to spend more money and Russia will fall further apart like U.S.S.R. Ahhhhh cold war memories

Because of the import bans, Russians now have to spend more on mostly inferior food. Inflation is high. And because Russia is cutting corners even during the pandemic, the economy has barely grown since 2014; real disposable incomes are still well below the 2013 level. Only a few Asian investors have taken the place of the missing Western lenders; the planned “turn to the east” has so far not been a success. Putin has no concept for how the economy should grow, no idea for Russia's role in the energy transition, no prospects for the many talented IT specialists.

All of this has nothing to do with the sanctions – corruption, the encroaching state and the entrepreneurs' legitimate fear of criminal prosecution also play a role. But the sanctions are helping to paralyze the economy. This is fueling dissatisfaction, including with the regime: Putin's poll numbers are far removed from the national frenzy of the annexation of Crimea. Should he now send his soldiers into a costly and costly war, while many Russians are already having to save on food, frustration in the country is likely to increase significantly.

I hope Skidmark has me blocked like he says. Don't want him to guzzle down another bottle of Vodka because of me

[HermantheGerman]

Almost midnight in Adelaide. Sabang is in the bag for sure.

Sweet dreams Sabang

[Backspin]

Of course, the country is nothing more than a gas station. Cut off the spigot and he has serious problems. The US will guarantee that Germany gets gas from the ME.

Except Qatar and Russia are gas allies who invest in each others companies

Russian envoy lauds partnership between leaders in gas exports | The Peninsula Qatar

You dumb bastards really have no idea. Russia has good relations with everyone except the US and some of its vassals. How many countries have good relations with Israel , Saudi Arabia and Iran all at the same time ? China and japan ? North and South Korea ?

[Backspin]

Great news! That means the dictator will have to spend more money and Russia will fall further apart like U.S.S.R. Ahhhhh cold war memories



I hope Skidmark has me blocked like he says. Don't want him to guzzle down another bottle of Vodka because of me

Gonna be waiting awhile for that retard. This cold war will end the same way as the last one. With the bankruptcy of an empire that will pull it's troops out of Germany.

bne IntelliNews - Russia's net public debt falls to zero

[sabang]

Some Geopolitics from Pepe Escobar-


Ukraine is a much more volatile proposition: a dysfunctional nightmare of systemic instability, widespread corruption, shady oligarchic entanglements and poverty.

Washington still follows the Zbigniew Brzezinski-concocted Maidan plan laid out for cookie distributor Nuland in 2014. Yet seven years later, no American “strategist” managed to understand why Russia would fail to invade Ukraine, which has been part of Russia for centuries.

For these “strategists”, it’s imperative that Russia faces a second Vietnam, after Afghanistan in the 1980s. Well, it’s not going to happen because Moscow has no interest whatsoever in “invading” Ukraine.

It does get more complicated. The ultimate fear dictating all US foreign policy since the early 20th century is the possibility of Germany clinching a new version of Bismarck’s 1887 Reinsurance Treaty with Russia.

Add China to the combination and these three actors are able to control just about the entire Eurasian landmass. Updating Mackinder, the US would then be turned into a geopolitically irrelevant island.

Putin-Xi may have examined not only how the imperial hybrid war tactics against them are floundering against them, as well as how the tactics are dragging Europe further into the abyss of irrelevance.

Full Article- Putin, Xi running circles around Biden's hybrid war - Asia Times


To understate matters, I think current US foreign policy in the region is only alienating Germany- by arming and militarizing bordering (and alarmingly 'Nationalist') Ukraine, and trying to strongarm it out of the Nordstream 2 pipeline deal- ie hurt Germany, to hurt Putins Russia. It has already been noted that the most shrill diplomatic & media rhetoric is emanating from anglo sources.

Given that I do not believe Russia has any intention of invading Ukraine, and that Germany will not be bullied into dishonoring the Nordstream 2 pipeline deal (to it's enormous detriment), is alienating Germany even remotely worth it? I certainly think not.

[bsnub]

This cold war will end the same way as the last one.

The Americans won you dimwit.

Except Qatar and Russia are gas allies who invest in each others companies

US is Qatar's primary arms importer.
US has military bases in Qatar as well as a security agreement.


Qatar will drop Russia in a heartbeat before it turns away from the US you dimwitted fool.

[HuangLao]

What, Putin scared of the consequences then?

And what consequences might these be?

[bsnub]

Zbigniew Brzezinski-concocted Maidan plan

[Backspin]

The fact that you are laughing really shows how ignorant you are about your own ppl. Zbig was Washingtons grand strategists in the Eurasian theatre.

[Backspin]

Ignorant moron



Zbig is a racist anti Russian Polish zealot who's tenticals spread all over the American establishment and all its spheres

Brzezinski served as the Robert E. Osgood Professor of American Foreign Policy at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a member of various boards and councils. He appeared frequently as an expert on the PBS program The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, ABC News' This Week with Christiane Amanpour, and on MSNBC's Morning Joe, where his daughter, Mika Brzezinski, is co-anchor. He was a supporter of the Prague Process.[8] His eldest son, Ian, is a foreign policy expert, and his youngest son, Mark, is the current United States Ambassador to Poland and previously served as the United States Ambassador to Sweden from 2011 to 2015.

[panama hat]

Clearly you are too stupid to realise the impact of Russia cutting off a third of Germany's gas supply, not to mention a third of its crude oil and more than half of its coal.

Seems you're having a stupid day today.

I'll try without your usual invective . . . Germany has contingency agreements for all of the above, aside from which Germany is increasing locally produced energy from wind, coal, nuclear, natural gas, solar, biomass, hydro . . .

Somehow I would rather trust the brainpower in Germany confronted with the Russian supplies problems than . . . you.


Continue your rant.

[Bonecollector]

I suppose the quicker we can be less reliant on Russian gas, the quicker we can create a massive hole in their finances. You kill two birds with one stone as well, better environment and dick shrink Putin.

[OhOh]

Energy consuming countries buy energy from numerous sources and at numerous prices, they always have and will continue.

Some arrange long term, 5 years +, contracts, others buy on the spot markets daily.

It's the consuming who decide what is in their best interests. Europe and Asia have deduced Russia offers better financialand security of delivery, which are superior to others.

The current crisis in Europe is of their own making, not Russia's. Some have remained with and extended long term contracts with Russia and receive what they order. Others prefer the spot market and find they pay more and availability is dubious.

Russia is currently building another pipeline to China, and has agreed to build a new pipeline to India. Both of whom have the largest markets for gas, oil, fertiliser, chemicals, .... and are growing industrial economies.

As opposed to NaGastan, EU and UK.



Russia can survive, some unexceptional countries are not so well managed by their "elected" leaders and their citizens are restless.

Who will win?

[Backspin]

I suppose the quicker we can be less reliant on Russian gas, the quicker we can create a massive hole in their finances. You kill two birds with one stone as well, better environment and dick shrink Putin.

Except Germany see's no threat from Russia. And wants to do business with Russia. Germany asked for Nord Stream 2. Russia didn't even want it. It is the US who is full of politicians from both sides, having a hissy fit about it. German politicians on both sides want the pipeline. The US is trying to start a war to prevent it.

Russia Remains A Top Investment Location For German Businesses - Caspian News

Russia remains one of the top investment destinations for German businesses, despite tensions between Washington and countries facing steep sanctions, including the European Union.
Within the first quarter of 2019, foreign direct investment by German businesses in Russia has seen a 33 percent increase compared to the same period a year earlier, totaling €1.76 billion ($1.98 billion), according to a statement released by the Russian-German Chamber of Commerce. Europe’s largest economy has 10 times more companies registered in Russia than the other European Union states, accounting for nearly 4,500 companies.

Deutschland AG’s enduring bet on Russia | The Economist

[HermantheGerman]

Germany asked for Nord Stream 2. Russia didn't even want it.

I gotta handed to ya

You never fail being the biggest idiot on Teakdoor.

How does it feel to win this price? Daily !!

[malmomike77]

aside from which Germany is increasing locally produced energy from wind, coal, nuclear, natural gas, solar, biomass, hydro . . .

not coal and nuclear it isn't?

[bsnub]

Except Germany see's no threat from Russia.

You are a fucking idiot, spewing complete garbage as usual.

German-Russian relations 'at a low point'

Janis Kluge, an expert on Eastern Europe at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs (Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik, SWP), views the current relationship between Berlin and Moscow as at an all-time low in post-Soviet history. After Russia's annexation of Crimea, the poisoning of Navalny and support for the regime in Belarus have finally led to a change in awareness among German politicians — the majority now see Russia as a strategic adversary, says Kluge.

According to him, there are three big problem areas in German-Russian relations:

Firstly: Russia's increasingly repressive domestic policies and the persecution of independent media, non-governmental organizations, and the political opposition. The case of Navalny is only the most prominent example of this.

Secondly: The operations of the Russian secret services in the EU. That is not only about direct attacks but on computer hacking attacks on political institutions in Germany.

Thirdly: The conflict in Ukraine is the key issue in the German-Russian relationship. "As long as there is no progress in this crisis, it will not be possible to attempt to restore confidence in Russia," says Janis Kluge.

Russia as an anti-liberal superpower

Ralf Fücks, the director of the Center for Liberal Modernity (LibMod - Zentrum Liberale Moderne), a Berlin-based think tank which recently had to cease its activities in Russia after being included on a government list of "undesirable organizations," sees the relationship with Russia as "at a very critical point." That's because: "Putin's Russia has become an antagonist to the liberal democracies of the West, both in terms of foreign and security policy," he says. "The systematic undermining of Western democracies, cooperation with right-wing and left-wing populist parties, violations of international law and international norms, whether they be in Syria or Ukraine — Russian is on a collision course with the West. And we struggle to find an answer to this," Fücks continues.

The main goal for the next government will be to develop a common EU policy on Russia. For all three German chancellor candidates, Fücks sees the task not as establishing a better relationship with Vladimir Putin, but in a "readjusting of the relationship between conflict and cooperation." The point is to make it clear where the red lines are for the EU and Germany, which we will defend against attacks, he added.

'Russia exploits the West's inability to act'

Stefan Meister, head of the program for international order and democracy at the German Council on Foreign Relations (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Auswärtige Politik, DGAP) in Berlin also speaks of a "low point" in Germany-Russia relations. However, he also sees a part of the solution in Germany: "We should simply be more realistic about what is possible in Russia, we should also support the forces who want a different Russia and some of them are increasingly going abroad."

But regarding the Navalny case, Stefan Meister says: "We should not be driven by populists and social media, but rather clearly assess that this change in Russia is not taking place right now in this form, but it will come in the medium to long-term." He considers Navalny to be a populist whose role in Russian politics is overestimated.

In recent years, the Putin regime has cleverly exploited the West's inability to act in order to play a decisive role in key conflicts, says Stefan Meister. Whether in Syria, Libya, or the South Caucasus, there is no getting around Russia, the expert from the DGAP said. He urges more pragmatism and less hysteria: to look for compromises where they are possible.


Germany′s conflict with Russia remains | German election 2021 – All the news, data and facts you need | DW | 21.09.2021