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    Such as from guys like Kissinger, Matlock, Mearsheimer, Chomsky, Sachs, Buchanan and so on? Yeh right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I have made many more points than you have. You are a repetitive one trick pony who basically just regurgitates propaganda and conspiracy theories in an attempt to push your debunked shit narrative.
    Well he is a bit of a thicko.

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    The Russian mobilization system is struggling to execute the task Russian President Vladimir Putin set and will likely fail to produce mobilized reserve forces even of the low quality that Putin’s plans would have generated unless the Kremlin can rapidly fix fundamental and systemic problems. Putin and Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced that the Russian Armed Forces would mobilize combat-ready reservists to quickly stabilize the frontlines and regain the initiative on the battlefield.[1] Milblogger and social media reports, however, show that Russian military recruitment centers, enlistment officials, and local administrations are mobilizing men who do not meet the Kremlin’s stated criteria, especially Shoigu’s promise that mobilization would prioritize men with “combat experience.” Russian opposition outlets and Telegram channels leaked information suggesting that the Kremlin aims to complete this partial mobilization by November 10 and that the Kremlin is seeking to mobilize 1.2 million men instead of the publicly announced 300,000.[2] ISW cannot verify these reports, but significant available information suggests that this mobilization campaign (the first in post-Soviet Russia) is overwhelming an ineffective and unmotivated bureaucratic system and could fail to generate the much-needed combat-ready reserve force in a short time or at all.

    Russian pro-war milbloggers and social media users are raising concerns about unlawful mobilization practices and showcasing many serious Russian mobilization problems on the second day of the mobilization effort. Russian milbloggers reported receiving numerous complaints from social media users that older men, students, employees of military industries, and civilians with no prior military experience are receiving illegal mobilization notices.[3] Shoigu and other officials have repeatedly stated that these categories of individuals would be exempt from this partial mobilization. Other sources reported that Russians are mobilizing airport and airline employees and workers from other industries.[4] The Russian government FAQ portal also indicated that local mobilization-enforcing officials may mobilize part-time students, despite the Kremlin’s declaration that no students will undergo mobilization.[5]

    Some milbloggers noted that Russian enlistment personnel are assigning men with prior military service to very different specializations from those in which they served, while other sources recounted instances of military recruitment centers mobilizing men with chronic illnesses.[6]

    The quality of Russian bureaucrats and military trainers are also raising fears among the Russian pro-war crowd that the partial mobilization effort may not succeed. Milbloggers noted that employees of the military enlistment centers are unmotivated and underpaid, reducing their enthusiasm to adhere to the envisioned mobilization plan. Milbloggers also pleaded with officers and commanders in charge of preparing mobilized men for war to train them before deployment.[7]

    Challenges and errors in the first days of executing a large-scale and demanding partial mobilization in the midst of a failing war are not necessarily surprising, although they suggest that the Russian military mobilization infrastructure was not better prepared for a major war than the Russian armed forces themselves. It is nevertheless conceivable that the Russian Ministry of Defense will address some of the worst problems and get the mobilization effort on track. It is also possible, moreover, that much of the partial mobilization is proceeding more or less as planned and that social media and the milblogger community are highlighting problems that are serious but not necessarily pervasive. Some of the reports suggest, however, that regional mobilization officials have been given quotas to fill and received pressure to fill them in ways that are more likely to cause errors than to reward adherence to the stated principles and the needs of an effective, combat-ready reserve force.

    Divergences from the mobilization decree and from Putin’s and Shoigu’s statements about the categories of men who are exempt from mobilization are also causing anger and mistrust toward Russian federal subjects and the Kremlin itself. Some social media footage already shows mobilized men fighting with enlistment officers, arguing with mobilization representatives, and refusing to serve under unlawful orders.[8] Some milbloggers claimed that some of the discontented men who have been wrongfully mobilized would have accepted their fate if they had actually met the mobilization criterium.[9] The Kremlin is thus committing unmotivated and potentially angry men to war with the task of regaining the initiative in an offensive war in a foreign land on a battlefield far from home.

    The highly nationalist and pro-war milblogger community is calling on the Kremlin to address these mobilization issues rapidly, but the Kremlin is unlikely to be able to meet their demands. Russian milbloggers express cautious optimism that partial mobilization will reinforce degraded combat units and allow Russian forces to advance in Donetsk Oblast, but are concerned that the Kremlin’s failures to enforce mobilization according to the law and stated policies will create political unrest.[10] One milblogger stated that the Kremlin’s poor handling of the partial mobilization is giving rise to “separatist movements” and opposition media.[11] Another milblogger noted that the Kremlin’s failure to fix mobilization practices within the military recruitment centers may shatter Russians‘ trust in the military-political leadership.[12] A failed or badly flawed partial mobilization campaign may risk further alienation of the Russian nationalist crowd that has been supportive of the war and mobilization.

    Disparate mobilization processes across different regions may exacerbate social tensions in Russia already raised by perceived inequalities in the creation of volunteer battalions. Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov stated in a live TV broadcast that the Republic of Chechnya will not conduct mobilization because the Republic has already exceeded an unspecified force generation plan by 254 percent.[13] Kadyrov added that Chechnya has already deployed 20,000 servicemen to war since February 24. Kadyrov threatened to mobilize any protesters in Chechnya and send them to the front, however. Kadyrov then seemingly modified his statements by encouraging those opposing mobilization to respect Russian sovereignty instead of using the constitution to avoid service.[14] Kadyrov’s initial statement, addressed to the Chechen public, may be an attempt to both address and discourage criticism of mobilization, the war, and himself within the Chechen community. Kadyrov’s statement could also be a worrisome indicator for the Kremlin—if one of the war’s most vociferous and aggressive advocates feels the need to refuse to mobilize his people, at least publicly, that could indicate that even Kadyrov senses the popular resentment the partial mobilization will cause and possibly even fears it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Your point is?
    Indeed, although they are correctly described as 'hawkish', they do include some very well qualified people and don't seem to be identified with one party over another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Your point is?
    He does not have one and he, like the other Three Stooges, are the most prolific posters of propaganda on the forum. So the hypocrisy is duly noted.

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    Sad, but interesting ...

    Thirty years after the end of the Cold War, the United States and Russia are yet again standing face to face over Ukraine.
    Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has renewed nuclear threat to the West, possesses the biggest weapon ever made, the world’s largest ever nuclear device – the Tsar Bomba or "the Emperor of Bombs".

    On October 30, 1961, at the peak of the Cold War, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev sent an unmistakable warning to the West by testing the most powerful weapon mankind had ever seen.
    The Tsar Bomba was 2000 times more powerful than the American bomb dropped on Nagasaki and 10 times the total firepower used in the entire Second World War.

    Can the course of the war in Ukraine today force Russia to resort to its deadly nuclear weapons?

    Will Putin use the world’s largest nuclear bomb if tensions with the West over Ukraine escalate?

    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    This Russian soldier enlisted to earn some money. After five minutes of fighting, he was the only survivor of his tank crew. He tells about complete lack of training and equipment for new soldiers (and that was before partial mobilization).
    A Russian soldier only managed to fight for 5 minutes on the invader’s side, now repairs equipment and helps the Ukrainian military. The man was disappointed in the "empire" and after the war wants to stay and live in Ukraine. "Getting Ukrainian citizenship is my little dream."
    Stunning to listen too...

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    Holding Ground, Losing War

    Zelensky’s strategy of defending territory at all costs has been disastrous for Ukraine.

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    "At the end of 1942, when the Wehrmacht could advance no further east, Hitler switched German ground forces from an “enemy force-oriented” strategy to a “ground-holding” strategy. Hitler demanded that his armies defend vast, largely empty and irrelevant stretches of Soviet territory. “Holding ground” not only robbed the German military of its ability to exercise operational discretion, and, above all, to outmaneuver the slow, methodical Soviet opponent; holding ground also pushed German logistics to the breaking point. When holding ground was combined with endless counterattacks to retake useless territory, the Wehrmacht was sentenced to slow, grinding destruction.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, (presumably with the advice of his U.S. and British military advisors), has also adopted a strategy of holding ground in Eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves inside urban areas, and prepared defenses. As a result, Ukrainian forces turned urban centers into fortifications for what became “last stands.” Sensible withdrawals from cities like Mariupol that might have saved many of Ukraine’s best troops were forbidden. Russian forces responded by methodically isolating and crushing the defenders left with no possibility of either escape or rescue by other Ukrainian forces.

    Moscow’s determination to destroy Ukrainian forces at the least cost to Russian lives prevailed. Ukrainian casualties were always heavier than reported from the moment Russian troops crossed into Eastern Ukraine, but now, thanks to the recent failure of Ukrainian counterattacks in the Kherson region, they’ve reached horrific levels that are impossible to conceal. Casualty rates have reached 20,000 killed or wounded a month.

    Despite the addition of 126 howitzers, 800,000 rounds of artillery rounds, and HIMARS (U.S. rocket artillery), months of hard fighting are eroding the foundations of Ukraine’s ground strength. In the face of this disaster, Zelensky continues to order counterattacks to re-take territory as a means of demonstrating that Ukraine’s strategic position vis-à-vis Russia is not as hopeless as it seems.


    The recent Ukrainian advance to the town of Izium, the link between Donbas and Kharkiv, seemed like a gift to Kiev. U.S. satellite arrays undoubtedly provided Ukrainians with a real-time picture of the area showing that Russian forces west of Izium numbered less than 2,000 light troops (the equivalent of paramilitary police, e.g., SWAT and airborne infantry).

    The Russian command opted to withdraw its small force from the area that is roughly 1 percent of formerly Ukrainian territory currently under Russian control. However, the price for Kiev’s propaganda victory was high—depending on the source, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 Ukrainian troops were killed or wounded in a flat, open area that Russian artillery, rockets, and air strikes turned into a killing field.

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.

    In a public statement that should not surprise anyone, President Putin announced the partial mobilization of 300,000 reservists. Many of these men will replace regular Russian Army forces in other parts of Russia and release them for operations in Ukraine. Other reservists will augment the Russian units already committed in Eastern Ukraine.

    At the end of 1942, when the Wehrmacht could advance no further east, Hitler switched German ground forces from an “enemy force-oriented” strategy to a “ground-holding” strategy. Hitler demanded that his armies defend vast, largely empty and irrelevant stretches of Soviet territory.

    “Holding ground” not only robbed the German military of its ability to exercise operational discretion, and, above all, to outmaneuver the slow, methodical Soviet opponent; holding ground also pushed German logistics to the breaking point. When holding ground was combined with endless counterattacks to retake useless territory, the Wehrmacht was sentenced to slow, grinding destruction.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, (presumably with the advice of his U.S. and British military advisors), has also adopted a strategy of holding ground in Eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves inside urban areas, and prepared defenses. As a result, Ukrainian forces turned urban centers into fortifications for what became “last stands.” Sensible withdrawals from cities like Mariupol that might have saved many of Ukraine’s best troops were forbidden. Russian forces responded by methodically isolating and crushing the defenders left with no possibility of either escape or rescue by other Ukrainian forces.


    Moscow’s determination to destroy Ukrainian forces at the least cost to Russian lives prevailed. Ukrainian casualties were always heavier than reported from the moment Russian troops crossed into Eastern Ukraine, but now, thanks to the recent failure of Ukrainian counterattacks in the Kherson region, they’ve reached horrific levels that are impossible to conceal. Casualty rates have reached 20,000 killed or wounded a month.


    Despite the addition of 126 howitzers, 800,000 rounds of artillery rounds, and HIMARS (U.S. rocket artillery), months of hard fighting are eroding the foundations of Ukraine’s ground strength. In the face of this disaster, Zelensky continues to order counterattacks to re-take territory as a means of demonstrating that Ukraine’s strategic position vis-à-vis Russia is not as hopeless as it seems.

    The recent Ukrainian advance to the town of Izium, the link between Donbas and Kharkiv, seemed like a gift to Kiev. U.S. satellite arrays undoubtedly provided Ukrainians with a real-time picture of the area showing that Russian forces west of Izium numbered less than 2,000 light troops (the equivalent of paramilitary police, e.g., SWAT and airborne infantry).

    The Russian command opted to withdraw its small force from the area that is roughly 1 percent of formerly Ukrainian territory currently under Russian control. However, the price for Kiev’s propaganda victory was high—depending on the source, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 Ukrainian troops were killed or wounded in a flat, open area that Russian artillery, rockets, and air strikes turned into a killing field.

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.

    In a public statement that should not surprise anyone, President Putin announced the partial mobilization of 300,000 reservists. Many of these men will replace regular Russian Army forces in other parts of Russia and release them for operations in Ukraine. Other reservists will augment the Russian units already committed in Eastern Ukraine.

    As of this date, Kiev continues to oblige Moscow by impaling Ukraine’s last reserves of manpower on Russian defenses. Washington, insists President Biden, will support Ukraine “as long as it takes.” But if Washington continues to drain America’s strategic oil reserve, and ship American war stocks to Ukraine, the ability to protect and provision the United States will compete with supporting Ukraine.

    Russia already controls the territory that produces 95 percent of Ukrainian GDP. It has no need to press further west. At this writing, it seems certain that Moscow will finish its work in Donbas, then, turn its attention to the capture of Odessa, a Russian city that saw terrible atrocities committed by Ukrainian forces against Russian citizens in 2014.

    Moscow is in no hurry. The Russians are nothing if not methodical and deliberate. Ukrainian forces are bleeding to death in counterattack after counterattack. Why rush? Moscow can be patient. China, Saudi Arabia, and India are buying Russian oil in rubles. Sanctions are hurting America’s European allies, not Russia. The coming winter will likely do more to alter Europe’s political landscape than any action Moscow might undertake. In Zakopane, a town of 27,000 souls in the extreme South of Poland, the snow is already falling."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Moscow is in no hurry. The Russians are nothing if not methodical and deliberate.
    well they were less than methodical when they grabbed their petticoats and ran in a hurry leaving most of their kit littered around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Who cares. Let them be ground into fertilizer.
    what an ill thought, bitchy thing to say.

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    ^^ I reckon that pretty much says it as it is. Sorry OO, no bullets.

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    I am no fan of Putin, I am no fan of the CCP, even wearing my WUMAO t shirt right now. I am slowly losing my support for America though. It is not as if this is America's first fucking rodeo. Read 'Sideshow' by William Shawcross and bare witness to the monumental fuck up in Cambodia. As a Brit, I really do not want to support them or be friends with them anymore. America, Russia and China can all fuck off, the world would be a better place for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    I am no fan of Putin, I am no fan of the CCP, even wearing my WUMAO t shirt right now. I am slowly losing my support for America though. It is not as if this is America's first fucking rodeo. Read 'Sideshow' by William Shawcross and bare witness to the monumental fuck up in Cambodia. As a Brit, I really do not want to support them or be friends with them anymore. America, Russia and China can all fuck off, the world would be a better place for it.
    Well, despite their obvious faults, I know who I would prefer running the show and it certainly isn't Russia or China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Well, despite their obvious faults, I know who I would prefer running the show and it certainly isn't Russia or China.
    True and in some capacity this skulduggery is a necessary evil to beat a far worse evil. Still, I have fallen out of love with America and it's attitude towards us as Brits.

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    Right now, I think China are the adults in the room. Hoping for better from the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    what an ill thought, bitchy thing to say.
    They're somebody's son and not to blame.

    It's that Putin that needs to be ground into fertiliser.

    Come the winter he is gonna get more and more desperate.

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    History tells us that Russia does better than average in Winter. If they start hitting Ukie infrastructure (as they did recently, as a reminder), I daresay the pain will be mutual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Right now, I think China are the adults in the room. Hoping for better from the USA.
    They most definitely are not and are just as bad as Russia. They are playing this situation to a hopeful land grab in the future. Land which to be fair was originally theirs. If Russia thinks China is their friend, then Putin really has fucking lost it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    History tells us that Russia does better than average in Winter. If they start hitting Ukie infrastructure (as they did recently, as a reminder), I daresay the pain will be mutual.
    He isn't fighting Germans or the French, he's fighting Ukrainians.

    Apparently the Ukrainians are fighting in very small groups to avoid the risk of massive losses if the Russians do use tactical nukes. It is a tactic that the west has already trained for and have now subsequently trained the Ukrainians.

    Below is a great insight into whats going on in Russian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    History tells us that Russia does better than average in Winter. If they start hitting Ukie infrastructure (as they did recently, as a reminder), I daresay the pain will be mutual.
    This whole episode hasn't gone very well for you so far in terms of predictions, has it?

    I'm inclined to think this is one long wind up on your part or you actually enjoy being humiliated and looking the class clown each week.

    Anything for attention though, eh?

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    Really? Many more prominent people than I thought that the SMO could have been avoided, as indeed it should have been. Now, Russia is about to annex some 17% of what was once Ukraine. Enjoy. Take some solace from your fuel and heating bills, and general inflation too. Misery loves company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Really? Many more prominent people than I thought that the SMO could have been avoided, as indeed it should have been
    It certainly could have been.

    I asked you a day or two ago if you had worked out how that could have been, but you were still struggling to join the dots between a murderous dictator intent on re-establishing the "glory" days of the Soviet Union and the invasion of a sovereign country.

    Any progress yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    History tells us that Russia does better than average in Winter.
    You really are a blathering idiot. Putin got his ass handed to him on a plate last winter during the failed "lightning" strike against Kyiv. Funny how you continue to fail to remember that massive defeat occurred.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I'm inclined to think this is one long wind up on your part or you actually enjoy being humiliated and looking the class clown each week.
    As I have said before, he has some type of humiliation fetish because he is constantly making an utter fool of himself. Class clown indeed.

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