Ukraine war mega thread

High school maths dear boy- the size of the troop column was nowhere near enough to take the Capitol, unless it done a Kabul and the government totally collapsed. Less than half, actually. They did however succeed in cutting off the forces in the centre and west of Ukraine from being able to reinforce those in the east, and substantially damaged Ukrainian military assets- plus of course Ukraine has lost 20-25% of it's territory since. I assume that is why they received one of Russia's highest military honors.

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Kool-aid.

At this rate they'll be in Berlin in the year 2525.

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Originally Posted by sabang

High school maths dear boy- the size of the troop column was nowhere near enough to take the Capitol, unless it done a Kabul and the government totally collapsed. Less than half, actually. I assume

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You really are a bozo extraordinaire. Russia got its ass handed to it and was forced to commit to one of the largest retreats in recent modern history.

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They did however succeed in cutting off the forces in the centre and west of Ukraine from being able to reinforce those in the east, and substantially damaged Ukrainian military assets- plus of course Ukraine has lost 20-25% of it's territory since.

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Another crock of shit. They did not cut anything off other than their own penis.

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Originally Posted by mackayae

At this rate they'll be in Berlin in the year 2525.

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:smileylaughing:

Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
Syria
Ukraine

Who are the bozo's? :chitown:

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Originally Posted by sabang

High school maths dear boy

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Your maths knowledge is on the same level as your history, geography, language, logic etc... level:

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he wants the Russian speaking 'Russian' parts of Ukraine

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Odessa (even the street signs and menus are in Cyrillic there

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So, according to Backspit . . . errr . . . sabang, Ukraine doesn't use the cyrillic alphabet. Fuck me dead, he is getting worse. Ukrainian cyrillic began in the 9th century. The 9th century. It's origins are from old Slavonic.

Oh, sabang . . . you're getting worse

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Who are the bozo's?

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Fairly well . . . you.

Afghanistan all over again: Ukraine’s rampant corruption means the Western supply of weapons is likely to eventually backfire

US elites have thrown the country into a proxy conflict without properly evaluating the consequences

Viewed from afar, the extent of Ukrainian corruption appears to go far deeper than the recent shift in the narrative might suggest, and it might come back to bite the West as weapons sent to Kiev's forces are disappearing with no account as to their whereabouts.

Just as it was with America’s support for the Mujahideen in the 1980s in fighting a proxy war against the Soviets, its backing of the Ukrainian government may one day reap a whirlwind. And just like its involvement in Afghanistan, decades ago, supporting the ‘enemy of my enemy’ involves dealing with shady characters and whitewashing their wrongdoings.

Following the onset of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine, the media very abruptly ceased its coverage of Ukraine’s seedy political underbelly – with dirty dealings that go all the way to the top. Even America’s sweetheart, Vladimir Zelensky, did not come away unscathed in those reports.

Just months prior to the conflict, mainstream publications, such as The Guardian, were reporting on Zelensky’s offshore connections, as exposed by the Pandora Papers. As detailed in the report, Zelensky, who campaigned for office on an anti-corruption platform, failed to disclose the extent of his offshore assets and his connections to some of the very oligarchs he promised to strip of political influence – and continued to treat everything as ‘business as usual’ once he came to power.

Fast forward to the present day: Zelensky is a squeaky clean beacon of strength and icon of liberal democracy. Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has called him a “hero,” and numerous celebrities have appeared alongside the Ukrainian leader in photo ops to promote his image.

But for all the pomp and grandeur surrounding Zelensky, the issue of Ukraine’s corruption is once again rearing its head. Reality is setting in for many in the West – much of the funds and armaments directed towards Ukraine’s military are going unaccounted for, and average Americans and Europeans are paying the price for it. Literally.
It’s one thing for a politician to walk back on campaign promises, but Zelensky’s apparent corruption is becoming a liability for his Western supporters.

Ukrainian-born US congresswoman Victoria Spartz, one of the loudest cheerleaders for calling on the US government to support Ukraine, has been blowing the whistle on the Ukrainian authorities, including Zelensky. As detailed by CNN last week, Spartz has leveled numerous accusations against the Ukrainian government, drawing attention to its deep-seated corruption – and she’s asking questions about where all the funds are going.

But her peers in Congress are reportedly tired of her “bellicose rhetoric,” arguing that her questions are making Ukraine look bad. After all, Zelensky’s image as a clean politician is one that needs to be preserved if members of Congress, especially those with personal stakes in defense contractors, want to keep milking the American taxpayer for continued support towards the proxy war against Russia.

But a facade as shaky as Zelensky’s can only be maintained for so long. With the economy spiraling into recession and inflation at record highs in both the US and UK, among other NATO countries, there’s only so much politicians are willing to do to maintain the narrative, especially as numerous US Democrats are struggling to hold onto their seats in the upcoming midterm elections.

Spartz isn’t alone in her criticism of the Ukrainian government and its corruption. CBS published a documentary called ‘Arming Ukraine’ detailing how much of America’s military aid to Ukraine has disappeared. Jonas Ohman, founder of the nonprofit Blue-Yellow, provides an assessment in the documentary that only as little as 30% of the military aid sent by the US ever reached the front lines.

The CBS documentary prompted a massive backlash from Ukraine’s loudest supporters on social media, with many demanding that the channel retract the report – all because it made Ukraine look bad. And CBS capitulated, putting out a retraction to state that the information was old and that the “delivery has improved.” The documentary is being “updated” accordingly. It’s anyone's guess whether CBS got the call from on high, or if it simply caved in to the demands of Twitter users with Ukrainian flags in their profile.

Regardless of the retraction, the concerns are valid and echo those raised by US intelligence sources who told CNN in April that Washington has no idea where the weapons it’s sending are actually ending up.

“We have fidelity for a short time, but when it enters the fog of war, we have almost zero,” said one of the sources. “It drops into a big black hole, and you have almost no sense of it at all after a short period of time.”

FULL- Afghanistan all over again: Ukraine’s rampant corruption means the Western supply of weapons is likely to eventually backfire — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

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Afghanistan all over again: Ukraine’s rampant corruption means the Western supply of weapons is likely to eventually backfire

FULL- Afghanistan all over again: Ukraine’s rampant corruption means the Western supply of weapons is likely to eventually backfire — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

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I seriously think you don't vet your sources.

It's an RT article and about the Author, in his words ...

Ian Miles Cheong is a political and cultural commentator. His work has been featured on The Rebel, Penthouse, Human Events, and The Post Millennial.

Yes, I will admit, I read Penthouse for the articles :)


How much crap does Ian Miles Cheong espouse?

From an earlier article of his on the Jan 6 Capitol Hill Insurrection ...

To understand what’s going on, we have to look at how the January 6 riot was caused by a general sense of discontent with America’s downward trajectory.
It was staged by a collective of Americans who refer to themselves as patriots, who are unhappy with the continued destruction of America and its values.
When they raised their voices, they were mocked, silenced, and disenfranchised as traitors and conspiracy theorists – all this even before the events of that fateful day.
And after that day, many were arrested – some of whom were forced into solitary confinement and stripped of their rights even to this day.
They have had few defenders, and the legacy media remains unwilling to even speak of their plight.
The January 6 Capitol riot was not the real insurrection — RT World News

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I seriously think you don't vet your sources.

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Of course, he doesn't the guy quotes pedophiles FFS. He will roll out any steaming turd if he thinks it backs his shit narrative.

What, are you accusing me of backing "Unsavoury Characters". Now that's a good un. :smileylaughing:

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What, are you accusing me of backing "Unsavoury Characters". Now that's a good un. :smileylaughing:

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You are the one that defends paedophiles.

Do you think that's funny?

You do not even know the definition of pedophilia.

"US elites have thrown the country into a proxy conflict without properly evaluating the consequences"
That's what we do best.

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Originally Posted by mackayae

"US elites have thrown the country into a proxy conflict without properly evaluating the consequences"

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Of course because it would not have anything to do with Putin invading a sovereign nation unprovoked.

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So, according to Backspit . . . errr . . . sabang, Ukraine doesn't use the cyrillic alphabet. Fuck me dead, he is getting worse. Ukrainian cyrillic began in the 9th century. The 9th century. It's origins are from old Slavonic.

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Afghanistan

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Typical sabang/OhWoe/Backspit m.o. Proven to be wrong yet again and simply go off on another tangent with the next post . . . small-minded, sabang. If you're wrong on something factual, just admit it.

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Originally Posted by mackayae

"US elites have thrown the country into a proxy conflict without properly evaluating the consequences"

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Umm . . . how's that then?

Tos-1 and Tos 2. Wait for it ....

(these are areas that civilians have vacated long ago)

https://youtu.be/0mwR5C2mQpU

^ The buildings needed to be demolished anyway...

Ukraine War [13 August] - Ukrainians recapture Dovenhke - Russians push in Pisky and Bakhmut Fronts - YouTube

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You do not even know the definition of pedophilia.

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Perhaps you use a different one to everyone else so as to justify your "beliefs".

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Ukraine doesn't use the cyrillic alphabet

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Just to clarify, yes it does- Ukrainian cyrillic. Odessa however, a Russian speaking place, uses the Russian cyrillic alphabet. I guess they are similar, but not the same.

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Odessa

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Shouldn't even bother mentioning it. Russia is incapable of taking it, just like they proved incapable of taking Kyiv and Kharkov. If there is not someone available to commit treason and open the gates for them, they have difficulty winning ground in actual combat and if they do capture ground they take massive, unsustainable casualty rates.

Russian KIA's are over 45,000 dead and counting.

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Just to clarify, yes it does- Ukrainian cyrillic. Odessa however, a Russian speaking place, uses the Russian cyrillic alphabet. I guess they are similar, but not the same.

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Just a first hand report ... Odessa is Ukrainian, speaks Ukrainian. I've spent a fair bit of time there ... have you?

Sure, they understand Russian and there might be pockets speaking Russian.

Odessa is Russians to go to Summer holiday place, nothing more.

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I've spent a fair bit of time there ... have you?

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It is clear the answer to that is no, judging by the massive amount of BS Russian propaganda he posts.

I have never been to Ukraine, full stop. I can read, however-

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According to a 2004 public opinion poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, the number of people using Russian language in their homes considerably exceeds the number of those who declared Russian as their native language in the census. According to the survey, Russian is used at home by 43–46% of the population of the country (in other words a similar proportion to Ukrainian) and Russophones make a majority of the population in Eastern and Southern regions of Ukraine:^[30]

• Autonomous Republic of Crimea — 97% of the population
• Dnipropetrovsk Oblast — 72%
• Donetsk Oblast — 93%
• Luhansk Oblast — 89%
• Zaporizhia Oblast — 81%
• Odessa Oblast — 85%
• Kharkiv Oblast — 74%
• Mykolaiv Oblast — 66%

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...age_in_Ukraine

Also-


Why do people in Odessa, Ukraine speak Russian and not Ukrainian?

Because the territory of the Black Sea North coast, where Odessa is located, was lost by Turks to Russians in the result of a war, during the rule of Empress Catherine the Great. By her order the city of Odessa was founded on the site of former Turkish fortress. The Turks and the Crimean Tatars evacuated from the area, and the place had no population. Catherine the Great appointed the Governor, and he invited people from elsewhere to settle in the area. They belonged to many nationalities: Russians, Ukrainians, Moldovan, Germans, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, even French & Italians. They all used Russian language for communication.

Ukrainian peasants who were good in farming, were settled in the area around Odessa. So, Ukrainian language was never used in the city of Odessa as a main language. Now Ukrainian nationalists want to destroy the monument to Catherine the Great, and forcibly impose Ukrainian language on people of Odessa, so like if Odessa were always a Ukrainian city, founded by Bandera.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-in-Odessa-Ukraine-speak-Russian-and-not-Ukrainian?share=1

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https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-in-Odessa-Ukraine-speak-Russian-and-not-Ukrainian?share=1

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I can read, however-

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That is part of the problem, most of what you read is horseshit propaganda. Lots of people in America speak Spanish, yet they are in no hurry to live in Mexico. Ukrainians in Melitopol and Kherson have regularly been killing the puppet Russian appointed figures in the Oblast. That speaks for itself. But you have a shit fake narrative to push, don't you?

:chitown:

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According to the survey, Russian is used at home by 43–46% of the population of the country (in other words a similar proportion to Ukrainian) and Russophones make a majority of the population in Eastern and Southern regions of Ukraine

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No question this is a fact, however does not mean Russian speakers want to be governed by Russia. Also, even Russian speakers can speak some Ukraininan and vica versa.

My grandmother spoke only Ukrainian at home but understood and spoke some Russian.