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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I am frustrated this has not happened already. It beggars belief that they have not supplied Ukraine with the ATACMS (HIMARS long range missile) which has a range of 300 km and would be able to take out the Kerch bridge that connects Russia to Crimea.
    Go ahead Hohols. Bounce some of those firecrackers off the Kerch bridge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Go ahead Hohols
    Aww.....Putin would be proud of you. You should move there and learn all the trailer park slurs. Suka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Bounce some of those firecrackers off the Kerch bridge.
    Time and again, you prove yourself to be a fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I am frustrated this has not happened already. It beggars belief that they have not supplied Ukraine with the ATACMS (HIMARS long range missile) which has a range of 300 km and would be able to take out the Kerch bridge that connects Russia to Crimea.
    I would be surprised if they hadnt taken a look at taking out part of the bridge by other means. Its a long bridge and very vulnrable to being disabled and would send a message to those Russians not yet affected by the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I would be surprised if they hadnt taken a look at taking out part of the bridge by other means.
    The Ukrainians have stated before that they want to destroy that bridge. If they had the means to do it, they would have by now. The need the long range missiles for the HIMARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I am frustrated this has not happened already.
    So are, it seems, the NATO trainers of the Ukraine soldiers.

    Mozart Group: the western ex-military personnel training Ukrainian recruits

    Volunteers deliver crash courses in battlefield tactics that should take six months to teach




    by Ed Ram

    Fri 5 Aug 2022 07.00 BST

    "“Stand by,” shouts a former US Marine. “Threat!” comes the next call and a volley of gunshots echoes around a disused quarry, in a Ukrainian hillside, just a few miles from the frontline of the war.

    Dust kicked up by the bullets mixes with the men’s sweat in the 30C heat. “That is not the gun,” says the trainer, singling out a frustrated looking man who had peppered a target five metres away with small holes. “You were putting the sight on a different spot every time.”

    In the heart of the Donbas, a group of eight highly experienced western ex-military personnel are delivering an intensive 10-day training course for 40 new Ukrainian recruits who have been pulled straight from the fighting.

    As the battle for Ukraine’s east grinds on, soldiers in the Donbas have been taking heavy casualties in a vicious artillery battle. Ukraine’s professional fighting force, who have been defending the eastern frontline since 2014, are severely depleted. Since 24 February new recruits have been surging to the frontline, many with shockingly little training.

    The recruits on the course have a patchwork of equipment: different weapons, fatigues and body armour of varying quality. Aged between their early 20s and mid 50s, the men are of all shapes, sizes and levels of fitness.

    One in 10 was in the military before the war and they have had very little formal training, explains Andy Milburn, founder of the Mozart Group, a new private security company that’s tasked itself with training Ukrainian soldiers.

    Milburn, a retired Marine Corps colonel who spent 31 years in the US military, gathered expert volunteers to train civilians fighting in Kyiv’s civil defence force as they defended their capital. Now based in Donbas, the Mozart Group consists of between 20 and 30 volunteers from the US, the UK, Ireland and other western countries.

    The Mozart Group’s name was coined by its members as a tongue-in-cheek musical reference to the Wagner Group, a shadowy Russian paramilitary organisation that’s often described as Vladimir Putin’s private army. Milburn says at first he was “a little ambivalent about using the name” but that it has “caught on as a brand now”.

    Since 2014 the Wagner Group has operated in insecure, low-income countries, including Syria, Libya and Central African Republic, protecting Russian interests with little regard for human rights or international law.

    “I didn’t want to be associated with or compared to the Wagner group. We are not a counter to the Wagner Group; what we do is quite a bit different,” Milburn says.

    Largely funded by US private donors and made up of carefully vetted recruits, the Mozart Group also delivers humanitarian aid including sanitary products and food to frontline towns, and extracts vulnerable people from high risk areas of fighting.

    Ukrainian soldiers are given five- or 10-day crash courses in basic weapon handling, marksmanship, fire and manoeuvre and battlefield tactics that would ideally take six months to teach. The trainers have taught thousands of troops to speak to recruits via two interpreters, which Milburn says is not enough for the job but they have struggled to find people with the necessary skills.

    “I’m yet to fight on the frontline but we have been manning positions that have been shelled and hit by rocket attacks,” a 42-year-old soldier who identified himself only by his call sign Bison tells the Guardian during firing practice, dressed in a secondhand British camouflage tunic with a union jack badge stitched on the sleeve.

    Bison, a mechanical engineer from Dnipro, bought a hunting rifle after the war started, to get some shooting practice and is now operating as a platoon medic. “I did a week’s tactical medical course after having a bad cycling accident during the Covid lockdown. I told them and they made me a medic,” He says with a smile and a medical pack attached to his body armour.

    That’s more than most medics, according to Dathan, a former advanced paramedic who spent 23 years serving in the Irish military in counties including Syria and Kosovo, and joined the Mozart Group in May.

    You ask medics what their qualifications are and they say: ‘Well I was given this bag and now I’m the medic’,” says Dathan.

    “Only one out of this group of 40 had zeroed his weapon before the training started,” says Milburn as he walks through the scrub to the makeshift training ground. Zeroing a weapon means aligning the sights so you can accurately aim at a target. “That’s the first thing you do,” says Milburn.

    The Ukrainian troops are trained close to the frontline as their commanders cannot risk their soldiers being away from the battlefield for too long in case the Russians try to advance. Ideally these groups would be training 100 to 120 men at a time but they can’t afford to take them from their positions, says Milburn.

    “It’s backwards: you don’t go to combat first and then come back to be trained,” Dathan agrees. “The Ukrainian government doesn’t want to say that most of their military isn’t really trained. But they are trying to fight the Russians who, luckily enough, aren’t trained either.”

    “This is what it must have been like in world war one,” says Alex (not his real name), speaking to the Guardian over the phone from Bulgaria. Alex is former UK soldier who was taking a break but said he intended to come back to help permanently.

    “They are 36-, 37-year-old men and four months ago these guys were taxi drivers or farmers. None of them want to be in the army, but they say our country has been invaded. What do you expect us to do? Massive respect to them. But it is quite sad to be honest,” says Alex.

    But what the troops lack in experience they make up for in enthusiasm and determination. “They are upbeat, they listen, they are attentive and most of all they have a great sense of humour,” says Milburn, looking over the training exercise.

    “They don’t complain, take everything in and give 100%,” Dathan agrees.
    Tiger, a 22-year-old soldier who was studying law in Dnipro when the war started, says he is now completing the last year of his degree remotely while getting ready to fight.

    Mozart’s members are keen to separate themselves from the influx of war tourists and want-to-be fighters who could be found telling stories and propping up hotel bars in expensive new military outfits in Kyiv at the start of the conflict. “It’s dangerous,” Alex says. “You might get yourself or someone else injured or killed – and it damages relations between westerners and Ukrainians.”

    The trainers say they joined the Mozart Group to become “combat multipliers”, saying it made sense to train hundreds of Ukrainians rather than risk quickly getting killed in the fighting. The UK government website says those travelling “to fight, or to assist others engaged in the war” could be prosecuted on returning to the UK.

    From speaking to Ukrainian troops and commanders, Alex and Milburn agree that US and western weapons systems and military equipment are not being used or distributed correctly due to Ukrainians lacking training and skills.
    “They are not deploying the weapons,” said Alex, who, during his seven and a half years with the British military, specialised and trained in the use of Javelins and NLAWs, hi-tech US and UK anti-tank weapons, the use of which proved pivotal in Ukraine’s success in pushing Russia back from Kyiv in March.

    Alex says he understands from conversations with commanders that without the proper training, the $178,000 Javelins systems are being misused or becoming redundant, with sophisticated sight batteries running out before the rockets are fired. “They are not getting the training they need,” says Alex.

    At the end of the marksmanship lesson, the troops gather around for a briefing and Q and A session. “Where should the metal plates be positioned ideally in our armour?” asks one man, and the trainer gives a demo while the men look on, listening intensely. “I’m becoming more calm as I get more training,” says Bison when asked if he was worried about going to the frontline.

    Nestor, a 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier also from Dnipro, one of the few who had been fighting in the Donbas since 2014, went back to their firing range with Rob, the former US Marine, to get some more tips on changing magazines once the debrief had finished. “These instructors are amazing, it’s so detailed no matter your experience level,” Nestor says. Of the 15 friends Nestor has lost to fighting in the conflict since 2014, 10 have died this year.

    While they have supplied weapons and training overseas, the US, the UK, the EU and other western allies have not deployed troops to Ukraine for fear of the conflict escalating to a war between Russia and Nato. However, Andy Milburn wishes he had more contact with the US government.

    Asked whether he shares intelligence with the US, he replies: “That’s kind of the easy part” – and explains that the US government is concerned that if they fund Mozart, the group might turn into a private military contractor becoming involved in the fighting itself.

    If any of the Mozart Group volunteers do get involved in the fighting, they are no longer part of the Mozart Group, Milburn explains. “There is a very clear line.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inian-recruits
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    However, better news from the allies Lugank front:

    7 Aug, 00:11

    No shelling by Ukrainian army recorded in Lugansk republic since August 1 — spokesman


    "It became possible thanks to efforts and endeavors of our soldiers and the service members of the Russian army who pushed back the positions which were used to conduct strikes on our republic," Marochko said

    LUGANSK, August 6. /TASS/.

    "The Ukrainian armed forces have not opened fire against the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) since August 1, Andrey Marochko, an officer of the LPR People’s Militia, said on Saturday.

    "Since the first day of this month, no shelling has been recorded by the LPR, which is a very encouraging fact," he said in a televised interview with the Soloviev. Live television channel.

    "It became possible thanks to efforts and endeavors of our soldiers and the service members of the Russian army who pushed back the positions which were used to conduct strikes on our republic," Marochko added."

    No shelling by Ukrainian army recorded in Lugansk republic since August 1 — spokesman - World - TASS

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    Interesting stuff from CBS-




    By their estimate, only 30% of the foreign weapons supplied to Ukraine make it to the front line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Interesting stuff from CBS-

    By their estimate, only 30% of the foreign weapons supplied to Ukraine make it to the front line.
    One guy in one statement does not make 30% a truth but the total abscence of an oversight process by those supplying weapons certainly assures not all weapons are reaching the intended destination. Totally agree with the woman at the 27 min mark. Unless and until this oversight is in place many weapons will go into the black market.

    Good vid. Well worth a look.
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    ^^ For some reason, the Link above shows up as private. Anyway, Youtube and just search 'Arming Ukraine'.

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    12:57 08/07/2022

    Ukrainian troops shelled the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant at night

    Energodar CAA reported on the night shelling of the Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station from the Ukrainian MLRS "Hurricane"

    "The head of the IAEA, Rafael Grossi, on Saturday expressed concern about the shelling of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. According to him, military actions that put the safety of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant at risk are "completely unacceptable and must be prevented at any cost." Grossi stressed that he is ready to lead the mission of IAEA experts on safety, protection and safeguards at nuclear power plants.

    "Ukrainian troops have already made several attempts to attack the territory of the nuclear power plant several times since the beginning of the special operation. The last one occurred on August 5. As a result of several artillery shelling, a fire broke out at the scene, two power lines necessary for the operation of power units were broken. At the nuclear power plant, part of the equipment of power unit No. 3 was de-energized, the generated capacity of power unit No. 4 was reduced.

    During the special operation, the Russian military took control of the Kherson region and the Azov part of the Zaporozhye region. In both regions, new administrations have been formed, Russian TV channels and radio stations are broadcasting, and trade ties with Crimea are being restored. The regions have announced plans to become part of Russia."


    Украинские войска ночью обстреляли Запорожскую АЭС - РИА Новости, 07.08.2022

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    "They use both artillery and mlrs for attacks on npp. I don't think they teleport them in range, shoot then disappear. There seems to be no monitoring at all. Considering there are multiple npps in Ukr, it's almost certain NATO wants to explode at least one of them, the one closest to Crimea first and then the one closest to Belarus"

    "Yes there can be no other reason to shell a (NNP) other than to hope that it leads to a disaster. Maybe this is why."

    "There are six nuclear reactors at the Zaporozhye (Zaporizhzhia) nuclear power plant and they each have a spent fuel pool (Chernobyl did not have a spent fuel pool). Each pool probably holds 3 to 5 times more long-lived radionuclides than does each reactor.

    The pools must be cooled 24/7 or else the heat from the spent fuel assemblies will cause the water in the pools to boil off.

    If the fuel rods in the assemblies are exposed to air or steam, they will heat to the point of rupture or ignition and release massive amounts of radiation."


    The outcome of such a mistake would be a rerun of the Chernobyl's event, dependent on the wind direction:

    The animation of Chernobyl's radiation

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    My interest is in the truth, not propaganda.
    It's like Skidmark's hypocritical brother has taken over sabang's account

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    It's like Skidmark's hypocritical brother has taken over sabang's account
    His statement indeed is utterly laughable.


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    Ukrainian forces strike Antonivsky and Kakhovsky bridges

    The Ukrainian military on Sunday, August 7, hit the Antonivsky and Kakhovsky bridges, again.
    Thatís according to Nataliya Humeniuk, head of the coordination press center of Operational Command South, Ukrinform reports.


    "The same fire control that we maintained for several days in this area has been worked out, and it yielded results. We hit targets that are quite significant, both the Antonivsky and Kakhovsky bridges," Humeniuk said.

    The spokesperson added that several ammunition depots were also destroyed in the past day.


    "We are verifying the outcome to see which hits are ours. Because we understand that the resistance movement in the occupied territories is also powerful," Humeniuk said.


    According to the official, this significantly affects the morale and combat capability of Russian troops.

    Ukrainian forces strike Antonivsky and Kakhovsky bridges

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Time and again, you prove yourself to be a fucking idiot.
    I think we are way beyond the proof stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    12:57 08/07/2022

    Ukrainian troops shelled the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant at night

    Energodar CAA reported on the night shelling of the Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station
    So which is it hoohoo, a nuclear power station or a hydroelectric one?

    If someone is going to rush to make up a story in response to the news of russian shelling of nuclear facilities, they need to proof read their bollocks before they post it.


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    Ex-US intelligence officer Ritter: Biden can stop Zelensky with one call

    US President Joe Biden could influence Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky with a single call by threatening to stop military aid to Kyiv. This opinion was made by former US intelligence officer Scott Ritter.

    He stated that shelling by the Ukrainian military of the territory of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) poses a threat not only to the territory of Ukraine, but to the whole world.

    “In this case, not only the physical landscape of Ukraine on the territory and in the vicinity of the nuclear power plant will suffer - we are talking about pollution of the Black Sea, which will then spread to the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and beyond,” Ritter said in a conversation with RT.

    According to him, the consequences of shelling can acquire a regional and even global scale.

    “Now the West does not want to criticize Ukraine in any way ... To speak openly about the threat, the world needs to understand who created this threat,” Ritter added.

    He stressed that this was not done by Russia, but by Ukraine.

    “This can end today if President Biden picks up the phone, calls Zelensky and says:“ If one more missile hits this nuclear power plant, all assistance from the United States stops forever, ”said Ritter.

    IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said on June 6 that the organization is working to create conditions for sending a mission of experts to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which is under the control of Russian forces.

    He noted that he intends to personally lead a mission to the ZNPP to carry out the necessary work on physical nuclear security.The Ukrainian operator Energoatom opposed Grossi's visit to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

    According to Igor Vishnevetsky, Deputy Director of the Department for Non-Proliferation and Arms Control of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Russia was ready to facilitate the IAEA visit to the Zaporozhye NPP and guaranteed security, but the UN Secretariat did not coordinate this trip.

    Ex-US intelligence officer Ritter: Biden can stop Zelensky with one call - Teller Report

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    Witless wanketeer thinks the world should succumb to Putin's blackmail.

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    So you think Ukraine should be allowed to shell operational nuclear reactors? That is blackmailing the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Scott Ritter
    Oh look, one of the Three Stooges is rolling out his usual clown again. A convicted sex offender and known Russian shill who has zero credibility.

    Same horse shit repeated ad nauseum.

    Another Putin nob gobbling useful idiot.

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    Zaporizhzhia: Russian rockets damaged part of nuclear plant, Ukraine says

    Ukraine's nuclear agency says Russian rockets have damaged part of a giant Russian-controlled nuclear power plant, but there has been no radiation leak.


    Enerhoatom said a nitrogen-oxygen unit and a high-voltage power line had been damaged at the Zaporizhzhia plant - Europe's largest - in southern Ukraine.
    Local Russian-appointed officials blamed Ukraine for shelling earlier.


    Ukraine also accuses Russian forces of firing rockets at civilian areas from the site, employing "terror tactics".


    "Every morning we wake up and see that they have hit only residential homes," a local businessman told the BBC.


    The BBC was unable to verify the reported damage at the nuclear plant. Enerhoatom says there were two rounds of Russian rocket fire on Friday, which prompted the site's operators to disconnect a reactor from the power grid.

    Enerhoatom said "there is a risk of hydrogen leakage and dispersal of radioactive particles".


    "The fire danger is high. Currently there are no injuries," it added.


    Russia seized the Zaporizhzhia plant in March but kept its Ukrainian employees. Russia controls the plant and surrounding areas, close to Ukrainian-held territory. It consists of six pressurised water reactors and stores radioactive waste.


    Western officials have sounded the alarm about Russia's tactics there.


    The plant is in the city of Enerhodar, in the south-east of Ukraine along the left bank of the River Dnieper (Dnipro in Ukrainian).


    The Russian-appointed officials in Enerhodar said Ukrainian forces shelled the plant twice on Friday "from the opposite bank of the Dnieper". "The second time the nationalists managed to hit the target - shells landed in the plant's industrial site," their statement said.


    The plant's Moscow-installed management was quoted by Russia's state-run Interfax news agency as saying two of the plant's power lines had been hit by a Ukrainian artillery strike, causing a fire.


    It is not clear how many power lines still operate at the plant, and the contrasting claims have not been independently verified.


    Earlier, in its daily intelligence update, the UK defence ministry said Russia was using the area to launch attacks - taking advantage of the "protected status" of the nuclear power plant to reduce the risk of overnight attacks from Ukrainian forces.


    The head of the UN's nuclear agency, Rafael Grossi, warned this week that the plant was "completely out of control".

    Any accident at the power station could have catastrophic consequences.


    The assessment reflects the views of civilians in nearby Nikopol, which lies across the river and is still under Ukrainian control.


    "Our forces don't shoot back because the 30km (19-mile) zone around the power station is sacred. You don't want to shoot there. But the Russians are terrorists. There's nothing sacred to them," the local businessman, who did not want to be named, told the BBC.


    "It's meant to scare us," he continued, explaining that rockets have hit Nikopol every night since the middle of July.


    A former employee of the plant, who is still in contact with colleagues but is now in Ukrainian-held territory, told the BBC that as well as firing rockets from the area around the plant, Russian forces had moved some military hardware into one of the main buildings.


    The BBC can't verify the claim, but Enerhoatom has reported the same thing.


    The UN's nuclear watchdog has warned several times about the difficult conditions for staff working at the power plant, and wants access to inspect the site.


    The former employee, who worked at the plant for several weeks under Russian occupation before leaving, said the Russian soldiers in charge of the plant generally left the workers alone, but their presence caused psychological difficulties.


    Many employees are unable to leave the occupied area because "they are afraid of losing their salaries, afraid to leave their relatives, or afraid of the Russians taking over their homes after they go".

    Zaporizhzhia: Russian rockets damaged part of nuclear plant, Ukraine says - BBC News

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    Is moving military hardware into a main building in a nuclear power plant sort of the same thing as using schools or hospitals, though even worse?

    What are those crazy Russians thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So you think Ukraine should be allowed to shell operational nuclear reactors? That is blackmailing the world.
    Nah, I think it's more russian propaganda you gullible fucking tosspot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Oh look, one of the Three Stooges is rolling out his usual clown again. A convicted sex offender and known Russian shill who has zero credibility.

    Same horse shit repeated ad nauseum.

    Another Putin nob gobbling useful idiot.
    In fairness, the paedo isn't a paid Russian shill per se, but on the Koch payroll, so trying to protect their extensive russian interests.

    All this of course goes way over stupid sabang's head.

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    Another Putin nob gobbling useful idiot.
    Unlike you, he was a US Marine Corps Intelligence officer
    Unlike you, he was a senior UN weapons control Inspector
    Unlike you, he has an audience- gets published and speaks at seminars



    Really sucks, e'hhh snubchild.


    (P.s:- and unlike you, he exposed the US govt's lies and deception about Saddam Hussein's non-existent WMD).
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