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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Another porkie? I wonder. These Ukies are shameless liars- so what can you believe?
    You miserable cretin, there is a video the scum shot himself while he did it. It was posted in pro Russian telegram channels by the culprits themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    hey've found shell fragments with serial numbers- MLRS.
    You are a fucking moron.

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    So, Denial from the boneheads. Figures. Love your allies.

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    ^ Dim po ole Russians didden do nothin’. It’s everyone else trying to make them look bad!


    Fact check: Putin's lies about the bombing of Ukraine

    Thousands of Ukrainians have been killed in Russian rocket attacks since February 24. Still, Vladimir Putin claims his soldiers don't attack civilian targets. The facts show quite the opposite.

    Thousands of Ukrainians have been killed since neighboring Russia invaded on February 24. Every day brings new images of destruction and the desperation of the Ukrainian people.


    Yet Russian President Vladimir Putin and his government continue to insist that they don't attack civilian targets: "The Russian army does not strike at civilian facilities. There is no need for that", President Putin claimed during a press conference in Turkmenistan. But journalists, non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and political organizations have consistently proven otherwise.


    "We see a clear pattern of violations against international humanitarian laws [IHL] designed to protect civilians," Wolfgang Benedek, told DW. Benedek led investigations into possible IHL violations in Ukraine for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). He called Moscow's claims that its troops do not attack civilian targets a "blatant lie."



    Hard evidence of Russian attacks on civilian targets


    The United Nations (UN) has documented 4,889 Ukrainian civilian dead and 6,263 injured between February 27 and July 4, though the organization says real fatality numbers are likely to be much higher.


    The international research collective Bellingcat has also been documentingRussian attacks on civilian targets in Ukraine since the start of the war. "We have seen large numbers in terms of destruction of civilian infrastructure, and of injured and dead civilians," Nick Waters, head of justice and accountability investigations at Bellingcat, told DW.


    In short, organizations and journalists have delivered clear evidence that Russian forces have directly attacked civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. DW has put together a list of several thoroughly investigated and well-documented incidents.



    Kremenchuk shopping mall air strike (June 27)


    According to Ukrainian officials, more than 1,000 people were inside a shopping mall in the city of Kremenchuk when it was hit by Russian rockets on June 27. At least 11 people were killed in the incident and more than 500 injured.


    Russia's Foreign Ministry confirmed the attack but offered a deflecting explanation on its website, saying Russian soldiers had bombed, "a hangar loaded with arms and ammunition received from the US and Europe." The ministry claimed the mall caught fire after the neighboring munitions depot exploded. Russia has offered no evidence to support the claim.

    A surveillance video made public by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy seems to show the attack as it happened. In it, one can see a rocket directly, or very nearly directly, hit the mall — contradicting Russian claims that fire from a burning storage facility spread to engulf the site.


    Writing on Twitter, British intelligence services said it was indeed possible that the Russians had wanted to hit something nearby in their attack but had missed their target. Bellingcat research has shown that the Russians hit other targets nearby but that they had definitely hit the mall, too.



    Kramatorsk train station air strike (April 8)


    On the morning of April 8, the Kramatorsk train station in eastern Ukraine came under rocket attack. Mayor Oleksandr Honcharenko said roughly 4,000 people were at the site when the attack occurred.


    Reporters from the Washington Post newspaper were on the scene within 15 minutes; reporting at least 20 dead, some children. According to Donetsk Regional Governor Pavlo Kyrylenko, at least 50 people were killed and a further 100 injured.

    Investigators found a Russian-made Tochka-U missile in front of the station. Russia says it is not using the Tochka at the moment, but Bellingcat research has proven that Russian troops are indeed using the mobile missile system in Ukraine.


    The UK's Defense Ministry says it is possible that Russian forces missed an intended military target as a result of the missile's poor maneuverability.



    Bucha massacre (end March / early April)


    In early April, gruesome images from the Kyiv suburb of Bucha began circulating around the world. They showed hundreds of bodies left dead in the city's streets when Russian soldiers withdrew in late March. Ukraine claims that civilians were killed, even tortured, by Russian soldiers in the city.


    Russia immediately countered. The Foreign Ministry again took to Twitter saying the whole thing was a lie: "All of the photos and videos published by the Kyiv regime ( … ) are just another provocation." Yet, as a March DW fact check showed, that is simply not true.

    Research by The New York Times analyzed satellite imagery recorded by the US-based space technology company Maxar. Journalists at the paper were able to identify bodies along Bucha's Yablunska Street as early as March 11, and then consistently more from March 19. The images clearly contradict the Russian narrative that bodies only began to appear after Russian troops left Bucha on March 30.


    Research by the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel also provided evidence that Russian soldiers in fact murdered civilians in Bucha. The magazine reported that German BND intelligence services had intercepted and recorded radio communications between suspected perpetrators in Bucha in which they discussed the killing of civilians.


    Bucha Mayor Anatoly Fedoruk described the ruthless behavior of Russian soldiers toward the city's citizens when he spoke with DW. About 90% of the bodies found had evidence of gunshot wounds, he said. Russia continues to deny any responsibility for atrocities committed in Bucha.


    Mariupol theater air strike (March 16)


    The city theater of Mariupol was destroyed on the morning of March 16, when it was directly hit by one or more missiles. An investigation by Associated Press (AP) news agency estimated that at least 600 people were killed in the attack. The NGO Amnesty International cited a lower number in its report on the incident but nevertheless described it as a "Russian war crime."


    A great number of Mariupol citizens had taken shelter in the theater as pitched battles were being fought for control of the key port city.


    The Vienna-based OSCE's council of experts concluded that a Russian air strike was responsible for the deliberate "destruction ( … ) of the theater, which was clearly marked as housing children by signs on both sides, and in which many civilians had taken refuge."


    Experts stated, "Russia does not claim that it was a legitimate target but that it was blown up by the Ukrainian Azov battalion. The Mission did not receive any indication that this could be the case. Up to 1,300 persons were allegedly seeking shelter in the theater, both underground and on the floors."

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    ^ Staged all of it

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    A whole lotta lies contained there too. Never mind, the Truth will out. Love your allies.

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    You don't know at all. Any better than I, or the boneheads.

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    There will have been lies on both side but its the fact that you, Ohoh and SoCal will deny Russia did anything wrong from day one and will continue to do so even in teh face of proof that marks you out as less than credible when you are trying to make a point.

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    Russia has done plenty wrong. So has Ukraine. My interest is in the truth, not propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    My interest is in the truth, not propaganda.
    So the articles you post up are the truth...iyo and not propaganda driven or tainted opinion pieces?

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    I would say the geopolitical pieces contain a large amount of truth. I would say the Russian announcements should be greeted with a similar amount of scepticism as the Ukrainian, or British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    A whole lotta lies contained there too. Never mind, the Truth will out. Love your allies.
    As soon as someone starts capitalising the word 'truth' you just know that you are getting anything but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    My interest is in the truth, not propaganda.
    All you post is propaganda and lies, you are a pathetic spineless shill and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Russia has done plenty wrong. So has Ukraine. My interest is in the truth, not propaganda.
    Then why is propaganda all you post, you ridiculous cretin?

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    The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Kherson failed again - the Russian Aerospace Forces struck at the enemy formations in the southern direction



    And on the final day of July, the repeatedly announced offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region failed. And it broke down thanks to the actions of the Russian army, including the crews of the combat
    aviation. However, first things first.



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    tanks and armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Russian special military operation in the Donbass and Ukraine exceeded 4 thousand. This is reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense in its summary. In addition to the tanks that were directly at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the beginning of the Russian military defense, we are talking about armored vehicles that were supplied by foreign sponsors of the Kyiv regime.

    During the briefing, the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov, said that during the military special operation over the past day, the effective defeat of the enemy’s manpower and military equipment continued. So, with a high-precision blow
    weapons in the vicinity of the village of Kodema in the DPR, a significant defeat was inflicted on the PVD (temporary deployment point) of the detachments of the 72nd Ombre of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Eliminated up to fifty Ukrainian militants, two Msta-B howitzers and 10 units of other military equipment.

    In Kharkov, the demilitarization of the national battalion "Kraken" continued. The militants of this nationalist formation (banned in the Russian Federation) were stationed on the territory of the Kharkiv Morozov College. The blow led to numerous losses among the enemy personnel - about 350 "two hundredths" and "three hundredths". 11 units of enemy equipment were burned and damaged.

    The crews of the army and operational-tactical aviation during the day took a good "harvest". 13 command posts of the Ukrainian armed formations, many units of military equipment and a large number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed and damaged.

    In the Kherson and Nikolaev regions for the Armed Forces of Ukraine again, as they say, did not work out with the "counterattack on Kherson." Up to a hundred nationalists and 25 units of military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were eliminated by Russian air strikes. The crews of the Russian Aerospace Forces received target designations at the places of accumulation of manpower and equipment of the enemy, after which a blow was struck, which led to another loss for Ukrainian formations in this direction

    And in the area of ​​​​Novopavlovka, on the territory still controlled by the Kyiv regime, another American howitzer M777 was destroyed.

    https://en.topwar.ru/199746-kontrnastuplenie-vsu-na-herson-snova-ne-zadalos-vks-rf-nanesli-udar-po-formirovanijam-protivnika-na-juzhnom-napravlenii.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    in teh face of proof
    Your proof is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    The video of the castration, and the news video showing the same murderer as a Russian soldier were both put out by Russians. Your cognitive bias isn't very "cerebral", is it now.
    That's a very long-winded way of saying he's as thick as shit.

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    I loved that one about the old lady taking down a drone with a can of tomatoes- didn't you? And that one about Russian soldiers gang raping one year old babies- that was a beauty (although the chief propagandist for Ukraine lost her job subsequently). I suppose the Snake Island martyrs and Ghost of Kiev are already proven lies, but what about that poor raped woman who was found with a swastika burnt into her abdomen? Of course the lying Ukies tried to blame the other side, but turns out it was done in an Azov torture camp (formerly a school) in Mariupol. Oh, and then there is the bombing of that railway station... And that, erm, 'Bucha massacre'- that the lying Ukies refused to allow the UN investigators in to inspect. All of 30km from central Kiev....

    I just love your allies gents. Heil Hitler!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    The video of the castration, and the news video showing the same murderer as a Russian soldier were both put out by Russians. Your cognitive bias isn't very "cerebral", is it now.




    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    the old lady taking down a drone with a can of tomatoes

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    Just when you thought sabang couldn't get any more stoopid. The Three Stooges are flinging shit all over the board today. Purely infantile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Just when you thought sabang couldn't get any more stoopid. The Three Stooges are flinging shit all over the board today. Purely infantile.
    As usual he has backed it up with a reliable verifiable news source. In other words none.
    In answer to your question. Yes he could. as Einstein said , there is a limit to genius but no limit to stupidity and he is constantly verifying the validity of that statement.

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    But you are still losing and Russia is winning my fellow Einstein's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But you are still losing and Russia is winning my fellow Einstein's.
    More vile gloating over the war criminals.

    You lowlife scum.

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    Oh dear. Such pique. Is Mr Putin handing your ass to you on a plate?

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    The more we learn about Ukraine, the less it resembles the Jeffersonian democracy Biden tries to conjure up in his speeches on the subject.

    ..... That the majority of Ukrainians want their country to remain independent is obvious. So is their willingness to fight to prevent their nation from falling under Putin’s thumb. But the ability of the Russians to get so many Ukrainians to sympathize with or aid their assault on Ukraine illustrates that what is going on is, in part, a civil war as well as a foreign invasion.

    Yet equally true is the fact that the Ukrainian state that is being defended so bravely is still deeply flawed and possessed of attributes antithetical to democracy. Though some of its problems would be present in any country at war and under direct attack, the more we learn about Ukraine, the less it resembles the Jeffersonian democracy that Biden tries to conjure up in his speeches on the subject.

    While sympathy for Ukraine and hostility to Russia is understandable, these are factors that ought to be taken into consideration if the United States is to undertake the kind of financial commitment in this war that is starting to remind us of the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or, at least, it should if Americans are to be permitted to have a debate about making such a dubious commitment.

    Questions Remain About Ukrainian Leadership Despite Western Favor

    It is finally starting to sink in.



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