Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

Ukraine military conscripting women

Ukraine Requires Women to Register for Military Conscription as Russia Threat Looms | Military.com

[misskit]

Russia rejects UK claim of trying to replace Ukraine leader

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Sunday rejected a British claim that Russia was seeking to replace Ukraine’s government with a pro-Moscow administration, and that former Ukrainian lawmaker Yevheniy Murayev was being considered as a potential candidate.


Britain’s Foreign Office on Saturday also named several other Ukrainian politicians it said had links with Russian intelligence services, along with Murayev who is the leader of a small pro-Russia party that has no seats in the parliament.


The U.K. government made the claim based on an intelligence assessment, without providing evidence to back it up. It comes amid high tensions between Moscow and the West over Russia’s designs on Ukraine.

“The disinformation spread by the British Foreign Office is more evidence that it is the NATO countries, led by the Anglo-Saxons, who are escalating tensions around Ukraine,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on the Telegram messaging app Sunday. “We call on the British Foreign Office to stop provocative activities, stop spreading nonsense.”


British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the information “shines a light on the extent of Russian activity designed to subvert Ukraine, and is an insight into Kremlin thinking.”


Truss urged Russia to “deescalate, end its campaigns of aggression and disinformation, and pursue a path of diplomacy,” and reiterated Britain’s view that “any Russian military incursion into Ukraine would be a massive strategic mistake with severe costs.”


Britain has sent anti-tank weapons to Ukraine as part of efforts to bolster its defenses against a potential Russian attack.


Amid diplomatic efforts to defuse the crisis, U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is expected to meet Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu for talks in Moscow. No timing has been given for the meeting, which would be the first U.K.-Russia bilateral defense talks since 2013.


The U.S. has mounted an aggressive campaign in recent months to unify its European allies against a new Russian invasion of Ukraine. The White House called the U.K. government assessment “deeply concerning” and said it stands with the duly elected Ukrainian government.


“This kind of plotting is deeply concerning,” National Security Council spokeswoman Emily Horne said. “The Ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically-elected partners in Ukraine.”


The assessment came as President Joe Biden spent Saturday at the presidential retreat Camp David outside of Washington huddling with his senior national security team about the Ukraine situation. A White House official said the discussions included efforts to de-escalate the situation with diplomacy and deterrence measures being coordinated closely with allies and partners, including security assistance to Ukraine.

Russia rejects UK claim of trying to replace Ukraine leader | Taiwan News | 2022-01-23 16:55:59

[Backspin]

The racist genocidal propaganda in the western military is just amazing. Nevermind the fact that the eastern part of Ukraine is pro Russia.

[Troy]

Nevermind the fact that the eastern part of Ukraine is pro Russia.

Got a link for that? Plenty of polls prior to the war showing that Ukraine wanted to be an independent nation and not tied to Russia.

Putin is worried about the loss of another nation to the West and to NATO. He's thinking Ukraine now and Belarus next leaving Russia without any buffer zone.

Lots of Russian influence trying to hold on to what little they have left.

[russellsimpson]

A post which demonstrates how little you understand about high level politics and diplomacy.
The priority is first dealing with internal issues in Ukraine, by joint high level diplomacy between East and West.
If the protagonists can do that, everything else becomes much easier. That is not to suggest that Ukrainian internal problems are any easier to resolve, but without such core solutions, the wider aspects of East v West will simply rumble on.

I can't disagree with any of that Switch.

The priority is first dealing with internal issues in Ukraine,

That's interesting. If you have insights and understandings regarding "internal issues" in Ukraine politics please bring them forward. I'm all ears. The floor is yours.

A post which demonstrates how little you understand about high level politics and diplomacy.

You just might be surprised.

Will you at least acknowledge that NATO has demonstrated a good deal of aggression since the fall of the Soviet Union?

Russia is a proud country which has often been at the centre of unfolding European history. Let's start any negotiation by at least acknowledging that.

[Backspin]

Got a link for that? Plenty of polls prior to the war showing that Ukraine wanted to be an independent nation and not tied to Russia.

Putin is worried about the loss of another nation to the West and to NATO. He's thinking Ukraine now and Belarus next leaving Russia without any buffer zone.

Lots of Russian influence trying to hold on to what little they have left.

What gave you the idea that Ukraine wasn't an independent country ? Ukraine was a independent nation after 1991. The western half of the country won elections in 2004. The eastern half won a majority in 2010. Just because the eastern half wins in an election cycle, does not mean the country isn't independent.



Non alignment was stipulated in its constitution in 1991 which was followed until 2014. Only after 2014 did the US sponsored putsh government rip non alignment out of the constitution. Which is why there is war.

Putin is worried about the loss of another nation to the West and to NATO. He's thinking Ukraine now and Belarus next leaving Russia without any buffer zone.

Belarus is off the board. Belarus and Russia became effectively one state in November 2021.

Putin, Lukashenko sign Union State integration decree

Putin, Lukashenko sign Union State integration decree - Xinhua

[Backspin]

The priority is first dealing with internal issues in Ukraine, by joint high level diplomacy between East and West....
Ukrainian internal problems.....

Yep. Internal issues alright. Like the fact that over half of the Ukraine population is historically Russian, speaks Russian and see's themselves as Russian and are inter married with Russians.

[Backspin]

This war is being pushed by Anglo Saxons and rejected by Germans. (Germans that aren't like the revanchist war mongering nutters that we have here)

Open Letter: It's Time to Invite Russia to Join NATO - DER SPIEGEL

[bsnub]

Will you at least acknowledge that NATO has demonstrated a good deal of aggression since the fall of the Soviet Union?

What a laughably ignorant comment. NATO is a collective defense and nothing more. Every member state asked to join. It is a shame that, so many have to suffer reading comments like this, especially when there are already indoctrinated bozo's like Sabang, backspit and OhDoh posting propaganda nonsense.

[Switch]

Yep. Internal issues alright. Like the fact that over half of the Ukraine population is historically Russian, speaks Russian and see's themselves as Russian and are inter married with Russians.

A dated survey might highlight one area of concern, but there are dozens of internal issues that need to be resolved or future proofed. The only warmongering on here comes from your own aggressive audacity in selecting the point you want to make.
My point is, the big guns can resolve the issue to their satisfaction, while Ukraine issues will remain.
The one thing that no one can change is the geographic links to surrounding countries and different ideologies.
Perhaps you should invite the Chinese to mediate!

[bsnub]

A dated survey might highlight one area of concern

It is bullshit, like everything else he posts, outright falsehood.

Ukrainian	32,577,468	67.53%
Russian	14,273,670	29.59%
Crimean Tatar	231,382	0.48%

[sabang]

NATO is a collective defense and nothing more.

You certainly don't help your embattled cause by coming out with blatant lies snubs.


Nato bombing in Yugoslavia was 'collective defence'? Nato involvement in the humiliating Afghanistan debacle was 'collective defence'?? The appalling slaughter and decimation of Libya by Nato bombers was 'collective defence'???


And you call me 'propagandized'. You're a joke!



Hi Nato, come defend me. Oh, I see you already did.










I wonder how much longer Germany should remain with Nato frankly. They are better than that. Better still, just can Nato. It has no purpose left except to stir mischief, and the interest of the European nations are only being harmed by non-stop anglo belligerence.


Who's in charge? Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart


Libya war: Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart | Daily Mail Online

[bsnub]

And you call me 'propagandized'.

You are propagandized.

Nato bombing in Yugoslavia

NATO's intervention was prompted by Yugoslavia's bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Albanians

Warranted.

Better still, just can Nato. It has no purpose left except to stir mischief, and the interest of the European nations are only being harmed by non-stop anglo belligerence.

Russia’s Top Five Persistent Disinformation Narratives

Theme #1: “Russia is an Innocent Victim”

Theme #2: Historical Revisionism

Both apply to that comment. Typical propagandized horseshit.

[sabang]

I asked this question before, but worth repeating- "Can you name one single positive thing Nato has done this century? Can you name one single foreign policy triumph?"


Sorry pal, but I reckon Nato has totally lost it's raison d'etre, and gone haywire in the process. If not canned entirely, it should at least be severely pruned. Just look at the three examples of Nato aggression I have given above (Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan). Not one bomb dropped has a single thing to do with the collective defense of Europe- and most certainly not Nato European members. They just end up with a refugee crisis, and a list of deadshit 'nations' like Kosovo clamouring to get into the EU gravy train instead. Talk about an uneven treaty.

[Backspin]

It is bullshit, like everything else he posts, outright falsehood.

32,577,468	67.53%
231,382	0.48%

Its from the Wikipedia website. What you just posted was from a census in 2001 which was not conducted properly and largely useless. 2001 was the last time Ukraine even had a census.

Ukraine’s census attempt crashes and burns yet again | Eurasianet

[Backspin]

I asked this question before, but worth repeating- "Can you name one single positive thing Nato has done this century? Can you name one single foreign policy triumph?"


Sorry pal, but I reckon Nato has totally lost it's raison d'etre, and gone haywire in the process. If not canned entirely, it should at least be severely pruned. Just look at the three examples of Nato aggression I have given above (Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan). Not one bomb dropped has a single thing to do with the collective defense of Europe- and most certainly not Nato European members. They just end up with a refugee crisis, and a list of deadshit 'nations' like Kosovo clamouring to get into the EU gravy train instead. Talk about an uneven treaty.

I remember being young and brainwashed in the 90's. I believed the Serbs were evil and the whole bit. Serbia was the worst of them all. Worse than Iraq, Syria or Libya. They were literally bombing a European city every day for 70 days. Just blowing up civilian infrastructure all day. Just sickining

[sabang]

When the whole dissolution of Yugoslavia thing was going on, I was a very busy man indeed. I never questioned the narrative, I never even looked closer. Why should I? Money to be earned, life to be partied, and 'over there'. Vietnam- that was just a misstep. I suspect it is the same for many of us. It took the Iraq invasion- specifically the monstrous lies leading up to it, and the 'establishment' connivance (not to mention the ensuing debacle, legacy of Hate etc) to open my eyes. It changed my life a lot.


Like I've opined here sometimes, it is probably simpler to live life in a bubble. But it is hardly satisfying.

[harrybarracuda]

Sorry pal, but I reckon Nato has totally lost it's raison d'etre, and gone haywire in the process.

You're a fucking moron.

Typical stupid Putin propaganda.

It's a bit like "I'm going to invade a sovereign country to protect it from invasion".

[sabang]

Good ole spotted 'arry, TD's favorite butt of wisdom. So 'arry, strait to the point son-

"Can you name one single positive thing Nato has done this century? Can you name one single foreign policy triumph?"

[David48atTD]

Ukraine: UK withdrawing some embassy staff from Kyiv

The UK has begun to withdraw staff from the British embassy in Ukraine amid warnings of a Russian invasion.

Officials said there has been no specific threats to British diplomats, but about half of the staff working in Kyiv will return to the UK.

It comes as the US ordered the relatives of its embassy staff to leave Ukraine, saying a Russian invasion could come "at any time".

Russia has denied having any plans for military action in Ukraine.

The US State Department also warned people not to travel to Ukraine and Russia due to the ongoing tension and "potential for harassment against US citizens".

"There are reports Russia is planning significant military action against Ukraine," an advisory from the State Department said.

Ukraine: UK withdrawing some embassy staff from Kyiv - BBC News

[David48atTD]

Has anyone here actually been to the Ukraine?

I have ... more than once.

Sure, nearer the Russian Border, say Kharkiv ... sure, stronger Russian.

But travel West, the majority of the country ... it's all Ukraine.

Oddessa, on the Black Sea is amazing, Lviv is stunning. Kiev is OK.

Still snows in May ... Russia ain't invading anytime soon.

[sabang]

Of course not. It's just whipped up hysteria, and how convenient Nordstream 2 is on hold in the background. I doubt Germany will be bullied or fooled, but thats their biz.

[harrybarracuda]

Good ole spotted 'arry, TD's favorite butt of wisdom. So 'arry, strait to the point son-

Stopped Russia invading any of its members, you fucking idiot.

[sabang]

Go play with the doggies boy, or make Ahmed his coffee. This is out of your depth.

[bsnub]

What you just posted was from a census in 2001 which was not conducted properly and largely useless. 2001 was the last time Ukraine even had a census.

That bogus graphic you posted was not on the link you provided, you bullshit artist.

Ukrainian	32,577,468	67.53%
Russian	14,273,670	29.59%
Crimean Tatar	231,382	0.48%

These are the more accurate numbers above.

Go play with the doggies boy, or make Ahmed his coffee. This is out of your depth.

I would say it is you that is out of your depth. None of your posts are based in reality, and it seems you just spout Russian propaganda talking points over and over. Maybe you should get a job on a troll farm.