Ukraine war mega thread

[Edmond]

it was aimed at the adjacent arms depot. Direct hit too.

Ukrainian mayor blames shopping mall management for deaths

A shopping center in the city of Kremenchug, where 18 were reported killed on Monday, failed to shut down after a warning.

"Management at a Ukrainian shopping mall, where 18 people were reported killed on Monday after a nearby Russian air strike, ignored a warning of an imminent air attack, the mayor of Kremenchug reported on Tuesday.

Ah sure you know what trolls Herman & Bsnub be like.

Making up all sorts of fanciful stories to support their twisted political beliefs.

[OhOh]

Making up all sorts of fanciful stories

SOP NaGastan and it's vassals.

[bsnub]

Except it wasn't- it was aimed at the adjacent arms depot. Direct hit too.

You are a fucking idiot, full stop.

Ah sure you know what trolls Herman & Bsnub be like.

Making up all sorts of fanciful stories to support their twisted political beliefs.

Oh look, another one wants to join the Three Stooges club. What a fucking bozo.

[Edmond]

The strike hit a nearby plant where West-supplied munitions were stored before being shipped to the frontline

It's clear that this is what happened. :-)

You are a fucking idiot, full stop.



Oh look, another one wants to join the Three Stooges club. What a fucking bozo.

No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting.

[OhOh]

another one wants to join

The current joining fee is nominal.

It will of course rise, as the SMO continues to obliterate NaGastan and vassals inevitable failure becomes crystal clear, even to drunkards like yourself.

[bsnub]

No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting.

[Edmond]

^ That suit suits you.

[bsnub]

as the SMO continues to obliterate NaGastan and vassals inevitable failure becomes crystal clear,

You are a laughable moron. Russia has proven itself to be a totally shit, inept military force that would get utterly smashed by NATO. But you can feel free to push your fantasist horseshit.

That suit suits you.

Ok, runt if you say so.



Some bitches be triggered.

[OhOh]

If that car is his Tesla, it indicates why the lad has not left his mums' basement to visit Thailand.

[sabang]

^^ Yes, you sure are. Making a damn fool of yourself too.

[OhOh]

But you can feel free to push your fantasist horseshit

As we all are, including yourself, subject to the mods decision.

The doubters are preparing the NaGastan and vassals off ramps, as we speak.


Biden officials privately doubt that Ukraine can win back all of its territory

Natasha Bertrand, CNN
Updated 0959 GMT (1759 HKT) June 28, 2022

"White House officials are losing confidence that Ukraine will ever be able to take back all of the land it has lost to Russia over the past four months of war, US officials told CNN, even with the heavier and more sophisticated weaponry the US and its allies plan to send.

Advisers to President Joe Biden have begun debating internally how and whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should shift his definition of a Ukrainian "victory" -- adjusting for the possibility that his country has shrunk irreversibly.

US officials emphasized to CNN that this more pessimistic assessment does not mean the US plans to pressure Ukraine into making any formal territorial concessions to Russia in order to end the war. There is also hope that Ukrainian forces will be able to take back significant chunks of territory in a likely counteroffensive later this year.

A congressional aide familiar with the deliberations told CNN that a smaller Ukrainian state is not inevitable. "Whether Ukraine can take back these territories is in large part, if not entirely, a function of how much support we give them," the aide said. He noted that Ukraine has formally asked the US for a minimum of 48 multiple launch rocket systems, but to date has only been promised eight from the Pentagon.

And not everyone in the administration is as worried -- some believe Ukrainian forces could again defy expectations, as they did in the early days of the war when they repelled a Russian advance on the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv. National security adviser Jake Sullivan has remained highly engaged with his Ukrainian counterparts and spent hours on the phone last week discussing Ukrainian efforts to recapture territory with Ukraine's defense chief and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, officials familiar with the call told CNN.

The growing pessimism comes as Biden is meeting with US allies in Europe, where he will try to convey strength and optimism about the trajectory of the war as he rallies leaders to stay committed to arming and supporting Ukraine amid the brutal fight.

"We have to stay together. Putin has been counting on from the beginning, that somehow NATO and the G7 would splinter, but we haven't and we're not going to," Biden said Sunday while at the G7 summit in the Bavarian Alps.

The mood has shifted over the last several weeks, though, as Ukraine has struggled to repel Russia's advances in the Donbas and has suffered staggering troop losses, reaching as many as 100 soldiers per day. Ukrainian forces are also burning through their equipment and ammunition faster than the West can provide and train them on new, NATO-standard weapons systems.

A US military official and a source familiar with Western intelligence agreed it was unlikely that Ukraine would be able to mass the force necessary to reclaim all of the territory lost to Russia during the fighting -- especially this year, as Zelensky said on Monday was his goal. A substantial counteroffensive might be possible with more weapons and training, the sources said, but Russia may also have an opportunity to replenish its force in that time, so there are no guarantees.

"Much hinges on whether Ukraine can retake territory at least to February 23 lines," said Michael Kofman, a Russian military expert at the Center for Naval Analyses. "The prospect is there, but it's contingent. If Ukraine can get that far, then it can likely take the rest. But if it can't, then it may have to reconsider how best to attain victory."

Continues at:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/white-house-ukraine-projection/index.html

One German's opinion:

"Ukraine will not regain any of the territory, that the Russians do not want it to regain.

It isn't in the position to do so militarily, nor through negotiations.

It will simply have to accept defeat and give up on the east and south and accept the loss of the source of 70-80% of its former GDP.

All this was completely foreseeable since the very first day of the war."

Prophesy or ignorance:

Maybe a visit by Gandalf (xxx), be required to clear Wormtongues (yyy) fog, from Theoden King's (zzz), head?

[bsnub]

The doubters are preparing the NaGastan and vassals off ramps, as we speak.

You clearly did not read the article closely...

"Whether Ukraine can take back these territories is in large part, if not entirely, a function of how much support we give them," the aide said. He noted that Ukraine has formally asked the US for a minimum of 48 multiple launch rocket systems, but to date has only been promised eight from the Pentagon.

not everyone in the administration is as worried -- some believe Ukrainian forces could again defy expectations, as they did in the early days of the war when they repelled a Russian advance on the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv. National security adviser Jake Sullivan has remained highly engaged with his Ukrainian counterparts and spent hours on the phone last week discussing Ukrainian efforts to recapture territory with Ukraine's defense chief and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, officials familiar with the call told CNN.

The chairman of the joint chiefs is still on board. So a few aids are shuffling their feet, big deal. Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger that would get absolutely shredded by NATO. So maybe those dimwitted propagandists on TV in Moscow should STFU before they wind up in a war that they would get utterly smashed to bits in.

[sabang]

Ukraine’s Lisichansk garrison has largely abandoned the city; despite news blackout, much of city is in Lugansk/Russian hands

Lisichansk is almost over

It’s funny that the Western (or at least, Anglo-American) press is still talking about Severodonetsk, when the Russian side has moved on and is about to finish taking Lisichansk. Listening only to “what Ukraine says”, even when they are right (not often), they are always at least 36 hours behind.

In my last piece, about 24 hours ago, I said it may be the Lisichansk saga will be over before next week. This looks more and more likely. Perhaps it is even an understatement.

The Ukraine’s Lisichansk garrison has largely abandoned the city; some thousands (those not killed or taken prisoner on the way) got out via civilian vehicles or on foot, leaving behind the usual piles of antitank weapons and small mountains of other munitions.

It is estimated that only a small fraction of the Ukrainian garrison remains at present.

The expectation among Russian commentators and war correspondents is for the Ukraine to settle on a new line of defense along the north-to-south, Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut axis, to be reinforced with essentially ALL remaining reserves within the Ukrainian regular army structure.

Furthermore, it is expected that this new line would be “successful” in terms of holding Russian and Donetsk/Lugansk forces back for a month or more.

I’m not sure about that. Typically, when everyone agrees on a given outcome (assuming they’re not all knowingly reading from the same, deliberate disinformation memo), everyone is wrong.

What’s interesting is the Russian presence around and south of Izium has not much expanded in at least a month. There may be a large offensive force here, waiting for the order to make a big push southwest on Barvenkovo and establish a base of operations there to harass the resupply of Ukrainian forces in Slaviansk-Kramatorsk.

This is speculation, but certainly Russia has been shaping the battlefield and will continue to do so. There is ZERO chance that the Ukraine will be given any breathing room to establish an organized, fortified defense line anywhere east of Slaviansk.

It is in Russia’s interest to bring as many Ukrainian human and material resources as far eastward into the bulge as possible, just as happened with Severodonetsk, so that they can present a dense, relatively easy target…..

…..and then, the survivors run the other way in disarray (leaving most of their gear behind) once it appears that doom is imminent.

Most likely, we will see a Russian campaign of constant pressure leading to continuous piecemeal encirclements, disorganized and ineffective resistance, and ignominious Ukrainian retreats all the way west to Slaviansk-Kramatorsk. And then, who knows?

What’s telling is that Ukrainian soldiers are no longer willing to be surrounded. On this blog and in one or more YouTube videos, I explained this as the outcome of Mariupol.

After Mariupol, everyone understands that once a Ukrainian force is surrounded, no one is coming to bail them out—not other Ukrainian forces, not some goodwill delegation led by Macron or the Pope, nobody.

This is why Severodonetsk was taken, and now Lisichansk is being taken, without really intense “urban core” fighting, by numerically INFERIOR Russian/Lugansk forces (essentially just scouting units)…..

…..and the two towns are seeing not remotely the level of damage wrought on Rubezhnoe just a few miles to the north, let alone on Mariupol, Volnovakha, Popasnaya, etc.

Ukraine’s Lisichansk garrison has largely abandoned the city; despite news blackout, much of city is in Lugansk/Russian hands – Ukraine War & Aftermath

[bsnub]

The Ukraine’s Lisichansk garrison has largely abandoned the city; some thousands (those not killed or taken prisoner on the way) got out via civilian vehicles or on foot, leaving behind the usual piles of antitank weapons and small mountains of other munitions.

Typical bullshit. They would never leave behind antitank weapons, which could easily be stuffed in the trunk of a car that they are allegedly fleeing in.

What’s interesting is the Russian presence around and south of Izium has not much expanded in at least a month. There may be a large offensive force here, waiting for the order to make a big push southwest on Barvenkovo and establish a base of operations there to harass the resupply of Ukrainian forces in Slaviansk-Kramatorsk.

It is in Russia’s interest to bring as many Ukrainian human and material resources as far eastward into the bulge as possible, just as happened with Severodonetsk, so that they can present a dense, relatively easy target…..

This guy is utterly clueless. The Ukrainians were already there in force. They were after all fighting a war there since 2014.

What’s telling is that Ukrainian soldiers are no longer willing to be surrounded.

Well duh that is one of the most basic rules of warfare. Your source is a complete tool.

[sabang]

The obvious problem with your usual childish, petulant respose is that Dreizin has been proven right, again and again.

Typical bullshit. They would never leave behind antitank weapons, which could easily be stuffed in the trunk of a car

Oh, as if-

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/T...92d0a1d0a3.mp4

"The persons in the video are one Russian soldier (the “presenter” at the start) and two Donetsk reservists. Later, you can also see two swastikas carved into the walls.

Of course, this is just one site among hundreds where Ukrainian gear to include NATO country-donated antitank weapons have been captured. I am confident the Ukrainians have actually abandoned **FAR, FAR MORE** NATO country-donated antitank weapons than they have successfully (or otherwise) used in this war."

[harrybarracuda]

I don't think Ukraine can win back all its territory and Puffy is the kind of psychotic fucking scumbag that would probably launch a tactical nuke if they did.

So we all have to hope he dies soon then things can go back to normal.

I doubt too many people would shed a tear.

[bsnub]

I am confident the Ukrainians have actually abandoned **FAR, FAR MORE** NATO country-donated antitank weapons than they have successfully (or otherwise) used in this war."

You have been confident before. Like when you bleated on and on that Putin would never invade. 35,000+ troops killed and 1500+ Russian tanks knocked out of service. You are clueless.

Dreizin has been proven right, again and again.

[sabang]

The Meltdown is well underway.

[bsnub]

The Meltdown is well underway.

Yes, you do seem to fall apart often, as you are easily triggered when presented with facts.

[Iceman123]

^
The abuse and personal insults will be stepped up a gear, now that he Snubby is being seen as a complete cretin.

For the record, I never called him a fat gay alcoholic.

[bsnub]

The abuse and personal insults will be stepped up a gear, now that he is being seen as a complete cretin.

Indeed, but Sabang has been exposed as a complete cretin for some time, so that is nothing new. Putin's cheerleader and nothing more.

[harrybarracuda]

Yes, scum like sabang will cheer when the Russians commit another war crime and bomb a shopping centre, and then start parroting the Russian propaganda that accompanies such events, such as "it was closed at the time" or "it was a false flag".

[bsnub]

Yes, scum like sabang will cheer when the Russians commit another war crime and bomb a shopping centre, and then start parroting the Russian propaganda that accompanies such events, such as "it was closed at the time" or "it was a false flag".

It is beyond revolting. Russia is basically a modern day terrorist state with nukes.

[sabang]

No more "Mr Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate" then?

[bsnub]

No more "Mr Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate" then?