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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    FTFY
    As I said...

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    It really is pointless arguing with these idiots. They have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. They will blindly defend Russia and China to the end. They are firmly indoctrinated by the propaganda masters themselves and long ago lost the ability to think for themselves. Furthermore, they are the puppet satellites of ITAR-TASS and the Kremlin.
    Sad, blinkered and brainwashed.

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    Russia’s Top Five Persistent Disinformation Narratives

    Theme #1: “Russia is an Innocent Victim”

    Russian government officials falsely portray Russia as a perpetual victim and its aggressive actions as a forced response to the alleged actions of the United States and our democratic allies and partners. To further these claims, Russia turns to one of its favorite labels to attempt to hit back: “Russophobia.” After invading Ukraine in 2014, the Russian government and state-controlled disinformation outlets began to accuse anyone who questioned Russia’s actions of being xenophobic Russophobes.

    For example, Russia claims that the international community’s negative reaction to its invasion of an independent country was simply because people feared and hated Russia. According to the chart below, Russophobia was not an issue of major concern to the Russian Foreign Ministry or state-funded disinformation outlets until the Russian military invaded Ukraine. Claims of “Russophobia” persist across a range of topics and are employed whenever the Russian government wants to play the victim, when it is actually the aggressor.


    Theme #2: Historical Revisionism

    When history does not align with the Kremlin’s political objectives, Russian government officials and their proxy voices deny historical events or distort historical narratives to try to cast Russia in a more favorable light and serve its domestic and geopolitical agenda. For example, the 1939 non-aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which helped precipitate World War II, is politically inconvenient for the Putin regime. In 2020, in an attempt to minimize and rationalize Stalin’s decision to align himself with Hitler, Putin published a twisted version of the start of World War II, downplaying the Soviet role and shifting blame for the war to other countries. Russia often takes this a step further by labeling those who disagree with its twisted version of history as Nazis or Nazi sympathizers.

    The Kremlin also applies this formula to the history of Ukraine’s statehood, NATO’s conduct during the collapse of the Soviet Union, its GULAG prison system, the famine in Ukraine known as Holodomor, and many other events where the Kremlin’s historical actions do not serve its current political goals.


    Theme #3: “The Collapse of Western Civilization is Imminent”

    Russia pushes the false claim that Western civilization is collapsing and has strayed from “traditional values” because it works to ensure the safety and equality of LGBTQI+ people and promotes concepts such as female equality and multiculturalism. The demise of Western civilization is one of Russia’s oldest disinformation tropes, with claims of “the decaying west” documented since the 19th century.

    This “values”-based disinformation narrative evokes ill-defined concepts including “tradition,” “family values,” and “spirituality.” Russia argues it is the bastion of so-called “traditional values” and gender roles and serves as a moral counterweight to the “decadence” of the United States and Western countries. For example, President Putin has claimed the West has practically cancelled the concepts of “mother” and “father,” and instead has replaced them with “parent 1 and 2,” while Foreign Minister Lavrov wrote that Western students “learn at school that Jesus Christ was bisexual.”


    Theme #4: “Popular Movements are U.S.-sponsored ‘Color Revolutions’”

    The Kremlin has difficulty accepting that all individuals should have the human right to freedom of expression, and that the government should be accountable to its people. Russia has accused the United States of either instigating uprisings or plotting “color revolutions” in Georgia, Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic, Moldova, Ukraine, and throughout the Middle East and Africa. If a popular movement is pro-democracy and pro-reform and not deemed to be in Russia’s geopolitical interests, the Kremlin will often attack its legitimacy and claim that the United States is secretly behind it. These baseless accusations often target local and international civil society organizations, as well as independent media that expose human rights abuses and corruption. The Kremlin seeks to deny that people in neighboring countries could have agency, dignity, and independent aspirations to advocate for themselves, just as it denies these qualities to the people of Russia.


    Theme #5: Reality is Whatever the Kremlin Wants It to Be

    The Kremlin frequently tries to create multiple false realities and insert confusions into the information environment when the truth is not in its interests. Often intentionally confusing, Russian officials make arguments designed to try to shift the blame away from the Russian government’s role, even if some of the narratives contradict one another. However, in time, presenting multiple conflicting narratives can itself become a technique intended to generate confusion and discourage response. Other elements in Russia’s disinformation and propaganda ecosystem, such as the abuse of state-funded disinformation outlets and weaponized social media, help push multiple false narratives.

    It was clear to the world, for example, that Russia attempted to assassinate former Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with the nerve agent Novichok in Salisbury, England, on March 4, 2018. In the four weeks following that incident, Russian state-funded and directed outlets RT and Sputnik disseminated 138 separate and contradictory narratives via 735 articles, according to the Policy Institute at King’s College London.

    Russia has used the same technique of flooding the information space with many false claims following other events, such as the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and Russia’s 2008 invasion and ongoing occupation of Georgia, to distract conversations from their role in the events. Again, the purpose is to confuse and distract others and manipulate the truth to suit Kremlin interests.

    Sabang, OhDoh and Backspit gobble this shit up and regurgitate it time and time again. Ironic that they call others brainwashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It really is pointless arguing with these idiots. They have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. They will blindly defend US aggression and meddling to the end. They are firmly indoctrinated by the propaganda masters themselves and long ago lost the ability to think for themselves. Furthermore, they are the puppet satellites of MSM and Hollywood.
    FTFY
    Exactly my sentiments.

    Give it a rest Snubs. You're clearly out of ammunition and even more clearly way out of your depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Give it a rest Snubs. You're clearly out of ammunition and even more clearly way out of your depth.
    Fuming over the well-earned red I see. I am well within my depth and in fact I am spot on, but what would you know. Just another blinkered moron sipping the Kool-Aid. Simple fact is Sabang is shooting in the dark. I do not even own a TV, I don't watch Hollywood movies and get my info from a broad swath of sources. Sabang and Backspit are blinkered morons who constantly quote well known Russian and Chinese propaganda sites/sources and follow along the five themes posted above.

    Poodles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Fuming over the well-earned red I see. I am well within my depth and in fact I am spot on, but what would you know. Just another blinkered moron sipping the Kool-Aid. Simple fact is Sabang is shooting in the dark. I do not even own a TV, I don't watch Hollywood movies and get my info from a broad swath of sources. Sabang and Backspit are blinkered morons who constantly quote well known Russian and Chinese propaganda sites/sources and follow along the five themes posted above.

    Poodles.
    The last source I posted was Reuters. Which reported that Georgia started the 2008 war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The last source I posted was Reuters. Which reported that Georgia started the 2008 war
    And it also stated Russia illegally invaded Georgia, or did you forget that already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    And it also stated Russia illegally invaded Georgia, or did you forget that already?
    Cherry-picking articles in an attempt to push an agenda and create a false narrative is a backspit trademark. Not the first time and it won't be the last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    And it also stated Russia illegally invaded Georgia, or did you forget that already?

    Georgia started the war. Saying it was illegal what Russia did after is a red herring. It was just the only thing they could say to whitewash it. And its working clearly.

    Russia also stole a bunch of US military Humvee's in that war. Was that illegal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Georgia started the war. Saying it was illegal what Russia did after is a red herring. It was just the only thing they could say to whitewash it. And its working clearly.
    Almost every one of your posts fits the criteria of the five disinformation narratives used by Russia that I posted above. You are a walking, talking propaganda spewing sheeple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Georgia started the war. Saying it was illegal what Russia did after is a red herring. It was just the only thing they could say to whitewash it. And its working clearly.
    Your reuters link is either credible, or it isn't. Which is it skiddy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    disinformation narratives used by Russia. You are a walking, talking propaganda spewing sheeple.
    So we are back here again. Russia has zero legitimacy ? That's what you are saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Your reuters link is either credible, or it isn't. Which is it skiddy?

    It credibly states the findings of the Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia

    Which was that Georgia started the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    You're clearly out of ammunition and even more clearly way out of your depth.

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    Russia Announces 26 Year Old Military Spokeswoman - NATO Surrenders






    And get this, her name is Rossiyana, which is the Russian equivalent of naming your daughter 'America'.





    She has a nickname in Russian - 'Oboronyashka' - which translates as: 'Defense Cutie'.
    Her Instagram account is blowing up - we highly recommend following it ...





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    The bottom one is from sabang's bedroom ceiling collection...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    So we are back here again. Russia has zero legitimacy ? That's what you are saying.
    Do not put words in my mouth, you utter moron. What I am saying is that you regurgitate Russian propaganda and are indoctrinated. Almost everything you post fits Russia's 5 persistent disinformation narratives, as posted above. It proves that you consume a massive amount of BS propaganda and spit it back out again on this forum. Almost every post you make fits with at least one of the narratives, if not more.

    You are not alone, Sabang and Ohdoh are equally indoctrinated and do the exact same thing.

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    After that US government puff piece you just pasted snubs, it's pretty rich for you to be calling every other POV propagandized..
    But of course it is only truth provided by the sole purveyors of truth, just as they told ye faithful in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    After that US government puff piece you just pasted snubs, it's pretty rich for you to be calling every other POV propagandized..
    Those five disinformation narratives totally expose you and the other two bozos, as almost every post the three of you make can be categorized in one of the themes. Anyone who casually peruses Sputnik, RT etc. can see that the content matches the narratives perfectly.

    However, due to your level of indoctrination, you will continue to peddle the Kremlin's BS.

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    Lets compare the Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine to the American 'liberation' of Iraq, shall we.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Lets compare the Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine to the American 'liberation' of Iraq, shall we.....
    Oh neat, your usual whataboutism. Shifting gears, attempting to change the topic because you have no counter to the five disinformation themes I posted. It exposes you as being indoctrinated by propaganda.

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    So tell me again, US propaganda must always be trusted, right? To suggest otherwise is sacrilege. To consider opposing perspectives, perfidious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Lets compare the Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine to the American 'liberation' of Iraq, shall we.....
    Tell us which bit of Iraq the US annexed, dumbarse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So tell me again, US propaganda must always be trusted, right? To suggest otherwise is sacrilege. To consider opposing perspectives, perfidious.
    Putin is the one who has massed troops on the border of a country from which he has already stolen territory.

    Only a fucking idiot would try and make this about the US or anyone else.

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    How can it not be about the US, when the US is at the core of so much ongoing conflict and dissension in the world today? Apart from financially backing the Maidan revolution- which is the cassus belli of this conflict- the US (and UK, and Balkan states) are arming and militarising Ukraine as we speak.

    How does it serve the purpose of the EU to have central Europe as a perpetual conflict zone? That only serves the purpose of people who still want to fight last centuries Cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So tell me again, US propaganda must always be trusted, right?
    Stop deflecting and explain how the five persistent disinformation narratives are untrue. You can start one by one. I will be waiting.





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    Apart from financially backing the Maidan revolution
    Narrative theme #4.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    How does it serve the purpose of the EU to have central Europe as a perpetual conflict zone?
    Narrative theme #1.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    the US (and UK, and Balkan states) are arming and militarising Ukraine as we speak.
    Narrative theme #1.

    Regurgitation is in full effect.
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    As you full well know, that has been done repeatedly. And Assad is President of Syria, but Guido the killer pimp is not Pres of Venezuela.

    The bullshit you are spouting is just American propaganda wrapped in breathless tabloid headlines- repetitively, predictably, and boringly. It has been proven wrong- or even to be deliberate, downright lies- more than a plenty. But that is the extent of your analysis- more fool you then. I provide more thought provoking material for those interested.

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