Ukraine war mega thread

[David48atTD]

[bsnub]

[OhOh]

A Sunday morning coffee break scan and my replies.

fire breaks out at Russian aerospace institute

battling a blaze at a major Russian aerospace institute

fire began at a power substation supplying the institute

At the institute, the substation, 5 km or 20 km away?

the "tankies"

My apologies for being a little uneducated, but what does your label mean?

OhOh is a British born Commie.

Some have suggested another place of birth, please negotiate between yourselves and post your agreed birth place.

Absolutely brainwashed and convinced Communism is the way

As for being a red card holder, confirmation from the issuing countries Communist Party members list would be required, prior to your allegation being proven.

Ohoh believes non intervention market economics.
Isn't that more or less correct ohoh?

I will refer you to Micheal Hudsons site. Him being an applauded economist would certainly know the accurate label.

Michael Hudson

Not to be confused with John Hutson.

Who started life in a Sheffield suburb and through determination and hard work has achieved a success the 99% don't.

John Hutson biography

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I understand that almost everyone else on the board has abandoned this shit thread

There appear to be two threads where the SMO is being "discussed".

This one
Ukraine war mega thread

Started by Backspin, 06-04-2021 11:35 PM

with:

• Replies: 6,748
• Views: 122,633

and a copycat:

Russia launches Ukraine invasion

Started by misskit, 24-02-2022 07:57 PM

with:

• Replies: 1,159
• Views: 34,232

The TD delivered numbers, do not support your "understanding", as on multiple threads your boasted of booze intake, is confusing your "understanding".

I'll leave it to others, mathematicians, geopolitical experts and freedom of speech advocates, to decide which one is more informative and inclusive.

There is also a Third

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/139871-how-dangerous-vladimir-putin-228.html#post4397126 (How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?)

Where I post the political exchanges between the combating diplomats, regarding the SMO, but is also used by some to express other opinions on THE LORD.

that the entire forum laughs at

Your opinion only, create a TD voting thread and prove it.

[bsnub]

My apologies for being a little uneducated, but what does your label mean?

It means that you are a grovelling apologist idiot.

[bsnub]

[Norton]

As good a place as any for all you Ukraine Russia experts who really need to bone up on the the subject. Take 30 mins of your precious time to watch. If after watching you still believe the bullshit about the Ukraine being "part of Russia", then there is no hope for you.

[bsnub]

Putin's senseless war is hurting a lot of people...

[David48atTD]

As good a place as any for all you Ukraine Russia experts who really need to bone up on the the subject. Take 30 mins of your precious time to watch. If after watching you still believe the bullshit about the Ukraine being "part of Russia", then there is no hope for you.

Great contribution and an education on the history of Ukraine.

So much to absorb.

[bsnub]

[sabang]

A month into an invasion of Ukraine that could have been avoided, that nation’s president Volodymyr Zelensky now is willing to concede to Russian president Vladimir Putin the two main issues that brought on the war. Zelensky, who defiantly insisted on his country’s right to joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and was unwilling to discuss thefuture of two breakaway provinces on his eastern frontier, has now conceded on both issues, but only after the death of thousands of Ukrainians, military and civilian, and the devastation of cities, large and small.

No question exists about the brutality of this war, and for that the majority of the blame lies with Putin and Russia. But Zelensky’s decision to fight to the death in each city, conscripting male residents into the army, and his comment that if the Russians want Kiev they will have to level it, makes the Ukrainian president culpable as well. He has made the cities a war target. His refusal to abandon Mariupol to the Russians in return for the safe exit of civilians there had condemnedthousands more to death.

In statements make this past week, Zelensky no longer insists on NATO membership and he has signaled a willingness to allow Donetsk and Luhansk to become part of Russia. He could have done that a month ago and prevented the flight of millions of his fellow citizens to sanctuary in other European countries. While the generosity of the Poles, Hungarians another European people in their willingness to accept the millions of refugees is heartening, the disruption of Ukrainianfamilies need never have occurred. Young mothers and their children did not have to be separated from the husbands who stayed behind to fight the Russians, perhaps dying in battle.

What has Zelensky gained by his macho stance against Putin? Up to this point, he appears to have achieved a lot, including the admiration of the American press corps, congress and especially President Joe Biden. Standing against the Russians is something Americans admire, apparently even if it was prompted by a fatal desire to go down fighting in a war that could have been avoided.

“Better dead than Red” was once a slogan of the Western world. Zelensky has carried that idea one step beyond. Russia is no longer red, but the blood now being shed by Ukrainian soldiers and civilians is, even if it’s only in a war against a capitalist, not a communist, Russia.

But it was not only his Ukraine that Zelensky endangered by his seemingly heroic stand against Putin. He has repeatedly made clear that NATO, and particularly the United States, ought to willingly risk World War III in support of his unwise decision to fight Russia. His repeated calls for a “no fly” zone over Ukraine, which would bring American pilots into direct conflict with Russian military aircraft, shows a blatant disregard for the real possibility of war between the U. S. and Russia.

President Biden has repeatedly made clear the danger of escalation caused by that “no fly” zone but Zelensky continues to plead for it. Even some Republican senators – Lindsey Graham and Rick Scott – have supported his call.

Putin has already indicated a willingness to use nuclear weapons should the conflict expand. We are appalled by the current extent of destruction in Ukrainian cities. What will it be like if Russian missiles release nuclear bombs on America?

Were Putin’s principal demands legitimate? It is necessary to separate his concerns regarding Ukraine from those involving Poland and the Baltic nations. Removing missiles from countries on his border had nothing to do with Ukraine, but Putin made it a part of his list related to a possible invasion. Those missiles are a genuine concern. It compares to the U. S. fear of Soviet missiles in Cuba in the early 1960s. We were ready to go to war over that issue, as Putin is today over NATO’s missiles on his frontier.

If the U. S. can have a Monroe Doctrine that makes it supreme in the Western Hemisphere, can’t Russia, often invaded from the West, insist on a similar policy that limits military confrontation on its western border?

None of this seems to be of concern to Zelensky. He asks the people of Ukraine to die in defense of a nation that would have needed no defense had their president agreed to reasonable demands a month ago.
Ralph E. Shaffer is professor emeritus of history at Cal Poly Pomona. reshaffer@cpp.edu

Zelensky should have avoided the war that is devastating Ukraine – Press Enterprise


This Op-Ed is about two months old now, but remains as true as ever.

[OhOh]

the Ukraine being "part of Russia", then there is no hope for you.

Thank you for the history lesson. Finishing up at 1930's

One groups "history". There will be plenty of other "historians" who would present alternatives to counterbalance this one.

Not in any way being a respected "historian or fiction author. Here is on one potential 5 minute history.

Subsequent, to your posted "history, there were wars plenty. The second WW was fought, the four major winning powers, again, carved up the spoils.

We also had multiple world institutions created, again. The UN, the UNSC to name just two. Agreements came and went, promises accepted, some countries reduced their world commitments. The UK withdrew from its eastern commitments, Russia withdrew from European countries due to its political/military and commercial power being squandered. Some increased their footprint.

Some minor wars were won and lost, mainly against unequal combatants, some for now admitted dubious reasons.

One party, Russia, found a new president, selected rather than elected. Some countries political parties as well, with some being due to contested elections. Initially, the now legally elected Russian president, THE LORD, was very pro Europe, even allegedly requesting NATO membership

Russia concentrated on building their country, financial and military assets.

The Russians decided to test the compliance of a major group, NATO and its vassals, to adhere to past UNSC adopted agreements. Why now, only the Russian government knows.

They were publicly told, by NaGastan and vassals politicians, "on your bike".

NATO gave the go ahead for Ukraine to "recapture" some areas that refused to be taken back into what they consider a fake country.

Initially the two major combatants/responsible world powers, Russia and Nagastan chose political means to solve the problems. Once rebuked, NaGastan proxy forces attacked/declared war on Russia.

The two attacked areas of Ukraine declared sovereignty, as had Kosovo in the 1900s. Russia recognised the two now self pronounced sovereign countries, as had some countries recognised Kosovo, and responded to the military attack, by responding to a UNSC agreed procedure.

The Russian SMO continues, the NATO countries have broken decades old agreements, military, financially .... and as of the last week, are asking for a ceasefire. Presumably a political solution is being negotiated, which may or not be achievable.

Will they succeed in stopping the Ukraine citizens being abused by NATO and the Ukraine "government" :

[bsnub]

Zelensky should have avoided the war that is devastating Ukraine

So why are you recycling a shit article from over two months ago? Back from the pub and being a coont.

Will they succeed

They are...

[Backspin]

Debunking the debunkers. BSnubs fake claims about the m77 were bullshit

[OhOh]

They are...

If you say so.

[Switch]

A month into an invasion of Ukraine that could have been avoided, that nation’s president Volodymyr Zelensky now is willing to concede to Russian president Vladimir Putin the two main issues that brought on the war. Zelensky, who defiantly insisted on his country’s right to joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and was unwilling to discuss thefuture of two breakaway provinces on his eastern frontier, has now conceded on both issues, but only after the death of thousands of Ukrainians, military and civilian, and the devastation of cities, large and small.

No question exists about the brutality of this war, and for that the majority of the blame lies with Putin and Russia. But Zelensky’s decision to fight to the death in each city, conscripting male residents into the army, and his comment that if the Russians want Kiev they will have to level it, makes the Ukrainian president culpable as well. He has made the cities a war target. His refusal to abandon Mariupol to the Russians in return for the safe exit of civilians there had condemnedthousands more to death.

In statements make this past week, Zelensky no longer insists on NATO membership and he has signaled a willingness to allow Donetsk and Luhansk to become part of Russia. He could have done that a month ago and prevented the flight of millions of his fellow citizens to sanctuary in other European countries. While the generosity of the Poles, Hungarians another European people in their willingness to accept the millions of refugees is heartening, the disruption of Ukrainianfamilies need never have occurred. Young mothers and their children did not have to be separated from the husbands who stayed behind to fight the Russians, perhaps dying in battle.

What has Zelensky gained by his macho stance against Putin? Up to this point, he appears to have achieved a lot, including the admiration of the American press corps, congress and especially President Joe Biden. Standing against the Russians is something Americans admire, apparently even if it was prompted by a fatal desire to go down fighting in a war that could have been avoided.

“Better dead than Red” was once a slogan of the Western world. Zelensky has carried that idea one step beyond. Russia is no longer red, but the blood now being shed by Ukrainian soldiers and civilians is, even if it’s only in a war against a capitalist, not a communist, Russia.

But it was not only his Ukraine that Zelensky endangered by his seemingly heroic stand against Putin. He has repeatedly made clear that NATO, and particularly the United States, ought to willingly risk World War III in support of his unwise decision to fight Russia. His repeated calls for a “no fly” zone over Ukraine, which would bring American pilots into direct conflict with Russian military aircraft, shows a blatant disregard for the real possibility of war between the U. S. and Russia.

President Biden has repeatedly made clear the danger of escalation caused by that “no fly” zone but Zelensky continues to plead for it. Even some Republican senators – Lindsey Graham and Rick Scott – have supported his call.

Putin has already indicated a willingness to use nuclear weapons should the conflict expand. We are appalled by the current extent of destruction in Ukrainian cities. What will it be like if Russian missiles release nuclear bombs on America?

Were Putin’s principal demands legitimate? It is necessary to separate his concerns regarding Ukraine from those involving Poland and the Baltic nations. Removing missiles from countries on his border had nothing to do with Ukraine, but Putin made it a part of his list related to a possible invasion. Those missiles are a genuine concern. It compares to the U. S. fear of Soviet missiles in Cuba in the early 1960s. We were ready to go to war over that issue, as Putin is today over NATO’s missiles on his frontier.

If the U. S. can have a Monroe Doctrine that makes it supreme in the Western Hemisphere, can’t Russia, often invaded from the West, insist on a similar policy that limits military confrontation on its western border?

None of this seems to be of concern to Zelensky. He asks the people of Ukraine to die in defense of a nation that would have needed no defense had their president agreed to reasonable demands a month ago.
Ralph E. Shaffer is professor emeritus of history at Cal Poly Pomona. reshaffer@cpp.edu

Zelensky should have avoided the war that is devastating Ukraine – Press Enterprise


This Op-Ed is about two months old now, but remains as true as ever.

It amounts to Putin trying to slope shoulders and shift the blame, for a WAR that he started, and now finds himself unable to win, without the use of weapons of last resort.

No amount of wriggling and squirming by Putin can excuse his awful conduct in the face of stiff opposition from the Ukrainian people.

PUTIN is totally responsible for the clusterfuck that HE created.

[sabang]

I could listen to swish, or I could listen to Jack Matlock, John Mearsheimer, Chomsky, Kissinger et al. Gee, tough choice- let me drink on it.


Some things never change-

80000 luxury cars entered Ukraine in the name of "military assistance", which made Ukrainian citizens angry that they hoped Putin would bomb these cars in the video.
Due to "military assistance", these luxury cars do not need tariffs when entering Ukraine.
These luxury cars "military assistance" hinder the entry of real aid materials into Ukraine.
The Lviv customs of Ukraine has confirmed the existence of this matter.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cr4y1b7wc
80000 luxury cars entered Ukraine in the name of 'military assistance', which made Ukrainian citizens angry that they hoped Putin would bomb these cars in the video.

Due to 'military assistance', these lux - Ukraine Uncensored

[bsnub]

Debunking the debunkers. BSnubs fake claims about the m77 were bullshit

You really are an idiot, just like your shit sources.

Some things never change-

More crap off quora.



What a couple of desperate clowns.

[sabang]

More ad hom, off topic childishness.

[David48atTD]

80000 luxury cars entered Ukraine

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cr4y1b7wc
80000 luxury cars entered Ukraine in the name of 'military assistance', which made Ukrainian citizens angry that they hoped Putin would bomb these cars in the video.

Due to 'military assistance', these lux - Ukraine Uncensored

Do you check your sources?

A Quora post by a Chinese woman living in China!

Kyo Sya(秋霞)

A Chinese Catholic, Mockingbird Casting Net.

with a massive audience ... 282 followers 284 following

The third post on her page is ...

Kyo Sya(秋霞)

Can cook northern Chinese food and Sichuan food4h

What are the benefits of buying home appliances from China?

You can buy household appliances that cook rice automatically. That will greatly improve the quality of life of Asians.

she then posts this ...
"The US Army wants to create biodegradable bullets that plant flowers where they fall" ...

[pickel]

^

[sabang]

^



On April 5, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a law №7190P, which temporarily abolished customs duties, VAT and excise tax on the import of cars from abroad. The authorities explained this decision by the fact that the Ukrainians need to restore the car fleet, which was damaged and destroyed during the fighting. Babel and West Auto Hub have gathered answers to the main questions about the import of cars from the EU, the necessary documents and other features of the new procedure.


Now any car can be imported into Ukraine from the EU duty free?

Yes. Except for cars imported from Russia or Belarus, or made there. Cars, trucks




"Zero" car customs clearance — how to bring a car from the EU to Ukraine

[sabang]

NYT concedes Russian operation in Ukraine is inexorably gaining upper hand. Some US military analysts have begun advising Ukraine's mentors that war is lost & Kiev must sue for peace NOW - or else... One hell of an "information war", isn't it?

�� Imagine a shock of clowns believing MSM for months now how “Russia is losing" ��

Ukraine War’s Geographic Reality: Russia Has Seized Much of the East - The New York Times

[bsnub]

NYT concedes Russian operation in Ukraine is inexorably gaining upper hand.

Not what the article says at all, more of your horseshit that should go in the dumpster.

Some US military analysts have begun advising Ukraine's mentors that war is lost & Kiev

Imagine a shock of clowns believing MSM for months now how “Russia is losing"

Russia sure is not "winning" the war either but what would you know you screamed for months this war would never happen. Maybe you should piss off to another topic, since you know fuckall about this one.

[bsnub]

It is time to give Sabang his own shit thread in the doghouse. This deliberate posting of utter horseshit needs to stop.

[David48atTD]

Now any car can be imported into Ukraine from the EU duty free?

Took a bit of researching to track down the source of this outrageous crime against humanity.

There ain't a lot of info on the net.

Finally ... from this link ... the only one of the two organisations (I could find) reporting on this war crime ... Ukrainian customs officials confirmed that Ukraine is importing a l

The quote starts ... "According to the Russian Sputnik News Agency"

This story, which outraged Ukraine received umm ... 0 comments.

Now, that report came from YC News ... Yc News

Who is YC News? "YCNews established in November 2015 under PeopleDailynews."

Who is the PeopleDailynews. People's Daily Online focuses on China news, China society, China military, Chinese culture, China travel guide, China politics, foreign affairs (you get the idea)

*Sigh*