Ukraine war mega thread

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The Mongols, Napoleon, the Ottomans, imperial Germans, the British, the Nazi Germans and now the United States. Every great empire of the day has found a reason to stage troops and military arms on Russia's western border, to try and relieve it of some land.

And just like the Mongols, Napoleon, the Ottomans, imperial Germans, the British, and the Nazi Germans, you are as brainwashed as they were in believing in the legitimacy of it. You'd think it would be different with the internet and stuff but nope. Its never different.

You are Putins’ wet dream poster boy.

[OhOh]

Biden to address the nation in 3.5 hours

If you are referring to this speech:

Remarks by President Biden in Press Conference

January 19, 2022

THE PRESIDENT: Hello, folks. Thanks for being here.

Well, good afternoon, everyone. Tomorrow will mark one year since I took office. It’s been a year of challenges, but it’s also been a year of enormous progress. ......


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Biden seems to feel with certainty that a Russian attack in one form or another is immenent.
Presumably he knows something that the rest of us misguided peasants doesn't know

I agree, we are all, including the POTUS speculating.

there can be no doubt that the Russian troops will be moving into Eastern Ukraine

NaGastani speculation.

So there will be sanctions and severe ones at that

NaGastani speculation.

If there is not to be an invasion then what strategy would entail Biden sounding so certain that an invasion/ incursion is coming.

The POTUS was speaking to a domestic press audience about his "successes" after his first year. Mainly about covid-19 and the past spectacular, but now crashing affect the FED has provided to stock investors and inflation.

With regards to:

Sanctions on Russia:

FT.

EU struggles to define a trigger for Russia sanctions

Subscribe to read | Financial Times


This may be the FT article:

Moscow’s sanction-proofing efforts weaken western threats - Current Time News


No NaGastani/NATO/EU agreements, on what actions will be undertaken if Russia "attacks ....".

No NaGastani/NATO/EU agreements, as to what would define an "attack".

No NaGastani/NATO/EU agreements, on admitting Ukraine into NATO

"a few other things going on there, and whether or not the major allies in the West would vote to bring Ukraine in right now."

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Sound like good win/win strategy to you?

Russian "threats":

Yesterday the new German Foreign Minister, Annalena Baerbock, met with The Russian Foreign Minister in Russia.

A video of the after meeting press conference is here:



In Russian and German, with English audio.

They come into the room at 1: 50: 51, it lasts for about 40 mins. Which suggests a longer than expected meeting. A good sign IMHO.

Many questions and full answers from both about German/Russian relationships, NS2, Ukraine, threats of war and possible solutions, which do not involve war. No threats from the Russian FM.

In my opinion, the German FM was well up to her task, which is good to see.

There is, in addition, a full readout of the Russian FM press release, as usual only the Russian FM's questions and answers are posted.

Here:

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1795070/

Which looks to fully cover his replies, as shown in the video above.

He spoke to the world's press audience questions about his countries' relationship with Germany and the solutions and options to and about UNSC previously agreed solutions, regarding the Ukraine.

All of which may be useful to the, "rest of us misguided peasants".

[harrybarracuda]

Obviously the seppos have a mole in the Kremlin.

[OhOh]

EU depends on Russia in oil and gas sphere — Macron

Two NATO and EU members suggest going to war, and hence receiving no gas is unwanted.

[OhOh]

Preparations for Lavrov-Blinken meeting underway in Geneva

More than 60 journalists have been accredited to cover the event

20 Jan, 15:09

"The much-awaited meeting between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, set to be held in Geneva on January 21, has unsurprisingly attracted a lot of attention from global media outlets. More than 60 journalists have been accredited to cover the event, and requests keep pouring in. It’s not the first time that Geneva, Switzerland, the capital of diplomacy for Europe and the entire world, will host such an important meeting. In June 2021, the Geneva-hosted Putin-Biden summit gave a positive impetus to dialogue between the two countries. However, unlike the June meeting between Presidents Vladimir Putin of Russia and Joe Biden of the United States, this time, no large-scale security measures are being taken in Geneva. Traffic is moving along its usual routes according to schedule and the city continues to go about its usual day-to-day business.

The Lavrov-Blinken meeting is expected to take place at Hotel President Wilson, which has a reputation for hosting major international events, including Russian-US meetings. It was the venue for talks between Russian top diplomat Sergey Lavrov and then US Secretary of State John Kerry in August and September 2016. Russia’s delegation stayed at Hotel President Wilson during the Russian-US consultations on security guarantees that took place on January 9-10. The hotel was the place where US diplomats were based in June 2021, when Geneva hosted the Putin-Biden summit."

Preparations for Lavrov-Blinken meeting underway in Geneva - World - TASS

[Backspin]

You really are an idiot.



You sure are. Furthermore, you swallow cum buckets full of propaganda from total shit sources and then laughably try to claim others are brainwashed.



What an idiot.

So you don't believe Russia has any legitimate national security interest. You don't believe Russia or any ethnic Russians have any legitimacy at all. Anything they say is just propaganda right ?

If a war started and NATO pushed into Russia and was killing Russians 1000's at a time , you would be cheering NATO on. Just like the German ppl in ww2.

People wonder how the Germans could be so brainwashed while exhibiting the exact same behavior themselves. It's just amazing.

I have Herman the Nazi on block. I don't even have to view his posts to know the genocidal bile he is spewing.

I'm surrounded by brainwashed ppl

[OhOh]

We have been given the NaGastani definition of "an attack".

No NaGastani/NATO/EU agreements, as to what would define an "attack".

US to view any Russian military move towards Ukraine as ‘renewed invasion’

At the same time, Psaki mentioned that Russia had "an extensive playbook of aggression short of military action

20 Jan, 08:26

"The US will consider any movement of the Russian forces across the Ukrainian border as a "renewed invasion", White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki announced on Thursday.

"President Biden has been clear with the Russian President: If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that is a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our Allies," the statement reads.

At the same time, Psaki mentioned that Russia had "an extensive playbook of aggression short of military action, including cyberattacks and paramilitary tactics." "And [Biden] affirmed today that those acts of Russian aggression will be met with a decisive, reciprocal, and united response."
In turn, a high-ranking US administration official told Reuters that any Russia’s military move towards Ukraine would trigger tough economic response from the US. Hence, the US is ready to consider imposing sanctions on Russia’s largest financial institutions. The US official also pointed out that Washington was studying all possible kinds of penalties against Moscow if it moved into Ukraine.

The West and Kiev have recently been spreading allegations about Russia’s potential ‘invasion’ of Ukraine. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov castigated these claims as "empty and unfounded," serving as a ploy to escalate tensions, pointing out that Russia did not pose any threat whatsoever to anyone. However, Peskov did not rule out the possibility of provocations aimed at justifying such allegations and warned that attempts to use military force to resolve the crisis in southeastern Ukraine would have very serious consequences."

US to view any Russian military move towards Ukraine as ‘renewed invasion’ - World - TASS
So, 4 threats allegedly, from

1.NaGastani POTUS,

2.White House Press Secretary,

3. a high-ranking US administration official and

4. Psaki, today.

Russian threats to Ukraine, Nagastan, NATO and EU today, zero.

One wonders POTUS remembers the threat, the others have any credence, in their threats and if Ukraine, NATO and EU have been informed, discussed, voted and accepted the NaGastani definitions.

Or just jump, reply "yes sir/madam/unnamed official", and do as they're told.

Democracies eh?

de·moc·ra·cy

/dəˈmäkrəsē/

noun

noun: democracy

"a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representative".

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What’s on the Lavrov-Blinken agenda

20 Jan, 17:00

What’s on the agenda of the Lavrov-Blinken talks in Geneva

"Real negotiations on security guarantees will begin only after Moscow receives an official written response from the United States and NATO to its proposals, a source familiar with the course of contacts told Izvestia. The January 21 scheduled meeting between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, implies "only discussion" of guarantees, the source said. Before talking to his Russian counterpart, the US top diplomat visited Ukraine and headed to Germany. The itinerary of his tour makes it clear that work on de-escalation is proceeding along the Washington-Berlin-Kiev-Moscow track, where the Russian-US dialogue plays a decisive role.

"The negotiations between Russia and the United States on January 21 are, in fact, just a discussion," an informed source familiar with the course of the consultations told Izvestia. "Real negotiations can begin only after Moscow receives a written answer. That’s when decisions will be made. So far, we have no such answer," the source said.

Meanwhile, this source emphasized that Moscow is not going to change its negotiating positions, since "they are all set out on paper". The Russian side wants everything to go quickly. This should not be "a process that will drag on for months and years". Therefore, Moscow is actively urging the West to give it an official answer, according to Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov, it expects to receive it "any day now".

These consultations could launch negotiations on European security, arms control and confidence-building measures, head of the International Order and Democracy program at the German Council on Foreign Relations Stefan Meister told Izvestia.

At the same time, despite all the geopolitical risks, it is still possible to reach a compromise. One option is for NATO to say that the alliance is not abandoning its "open door" policy, expert at the Center for Security Studies at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich Henrik Larsen told the newspaper."

Press review: Iran offers Russia long-term deal and what’s on the Lavrov-Blinken agenda - Press Review - TASS

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[harrybarracuda]

Loads of bullshit from the suck up and the idiot, none of which detracts from this being Putin playing the jingoist.

All a big fucking waste of time really.

If Vlad gets cocky, lots of sanctions.

I'd put them on now tbh and let him whine like the chinkies. He'll back off.

[russellsimpson]

A damn good thing you never ventured into a career as a diplomat Harold.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest POTUS keeps his speeches and Q and A's straight and to the point. No ramblings. That suggestion that Ukraine was under immediate risk was a misjudgement in my view. One question he answers with "that's a stupid question".

It's entertaining. It's great.

[Backspin]

Maximum heat has been reached on Russia's border. The US will pivot to China any moment now. That's my prediction. This conflict will fade a little bit and suddenly there will be issues around China. There's a lot of options
. There's Thailand , Burma , Hong Kong , Taiwan and the south China sea. Whether a protest flares up or a provocative war ship maneuver. It will be something

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A damn good thing you never ventured into a career as a diplomat Harold.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest POTUS keeps his speeches and Q and A's straight and to the point. No ramblings. That suggestion that Ukraine was under immediate risk was a misjudgement in my view. One question he answers with "that's a stupid question".

It's entertaining. It's great.

I am pleased that not all Canadians are short sighted, homourless fence sitters like you.

[russellsimpson]

Fence sitting has taken on a bad reputation of recent decades. Humourless? I'm working on it.

This is all very humourous. We have the failed comedian turned politician, the Russian bear and an American president possibly past his best before date.

Lovin' it.

[sabang]

Personally I doubt this manufactured faux hysteria will have the desired effect- and Nordstream 2 will open for business, as indeed it should. Just plain friggin common sense.

Still waiting- any Russian invasion yet, or more recently any 'false flag operation'? Oh but that was yesterdays headline- todays is "Russia plotting to take over the Ukrainian government".
US accuses Russia of conspiring to take over Ukraine government (msn.com)


I reckon several of you lot should get a job in a Thai fishing park. As the fish.

[Norton]

That suggestion that Ukraine was under immediate risk was a misjudgement in my view

Not just only Joe.

German, NATO leaders warn 'real' risk of Ukraine-Russia conflict

"The risk of a conflict is real," Stoltenberg said. "NATO allies call on Russia to de-escalate. We encourage Russia to reverse its decision to cut diplomatic ties with NATO."

German, NATO leaders warn ′real′ risk of Ukraine-Russia conflict | News | DW | 18.01.2022

Vlad has painted himself into a corner. Between the consequences of invasion from the "west" and near zero support from the Russian citizenry, he has no choice but to back down or hope a diplomatic solution where he can claim victory can be reached. In spite of the diplomatic rhetoric emanating out of Russia they know damn well the Ukraine and it's allies have no intention of invading Russia.

Bottom line, there will be no invasion of the Ukraine but for the moment gives Putin a diversion away from addressing a long list of other problems in Russia.

[sabang]

Clear and present danger. Now when did I hear words like that before? These boys cry wolf to often.

[pickel]

Clear and present danger. Now when did I hear words like that before? These boys cry wolf to often.

Would placing over 100K troops on the border be Russia "crying wolf"?

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Not just only Joe.

German, NATO leaders warn 'real' risk of Ukraine-Russia conflict

"The risk of a conflict is real," Stoltenberg said. "NATO allies call on Russia to de-escalate. We encourage Russia to reverse its decision to cut diplomatic ties with NATO."

German, NATO leaders warn ′real′ risk of Ukraine-Russia conflict | News | DW | 18.01.2022

Vlad has painted himself into a corner. Between the consequences of invasion from the "west" and near zero support from the Russian citizenry, he has no choice but to back down or hope a diplomatic solution where he can claim victory can be reached. In spite of the diplomatic rhetoric emanating out of Russia they know damn well the Ukraine and it's allies have no intention of invading Russia.

Bottom line, there will be no invasion of the Ukraine but for the moment gives Putin a diversion away from addressing a long list of other problems in Russia.

Pretty sure the US didn't think Russia was ever going to invade the US from Cuba. That didn't make Russian military staging in the country any more acceptable.

[Backspin]

Here's a good robust debate from France 24 on the matter. Loaded with western propaganda lies but at least they picked someone with some brains from Moscow

[Backspin]

A damn good thing you never ventured into a career as a diplomat Harold.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest POTUS keeps his speeches and Q and A's straight and to the point. No ramblings. That suggestion that Ukraine was under immediate risk was a misjudgement in my view. One question he answers with "that's a stupid question".

It's entertaining. It's great.

Norton says that there's no way in hell NATO will ever attack Russia. Which is a logical assumption. ironic because this round of negotiations was called by Russia for that exact reason. All Russia asked for is a security guarantee in writing.

And NATO or the US will not give said security guarantee.

[Norton]

Norton says that there's no way in hell NATO will ever attack Russia

Must be another Norton cuz I never said anything of the sort.

[Bonecollector]

I am pleased that not all Canadians are short sighted, homourless fence sitters like you.

Mike Myers

[bsnub]

I'm surrounded by brainwashed ppl

No you are just an idiot.

Clear and present danger. Now when did I hear words like that before? These boys cry wolf to often.

You could get run over by a T-80 tank and you would still claim it never happened.

[sabang]

Russian parliament to discuss recognising rebel-held east Ukraine as independent



Russia's parliament will hold consultations next week on an idea to appeal to President Vladimir Putin to recognise two pro-Russian breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent states, the chamber's speaker said on Friday.

Russian parliament to discuss recognising rebel-held east Ukraine as independent (msn.com)